-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-05-01 at 16:13 +0200, Jerry Westrick wrote:

Hmmm, does "apply the Deltas" work from RC1 to RC3? or is it necesary to download rc2 deltas, apply them, and then apply rc3 deltas?

I believe there is a set of deltas labeled RC1_RC3, use those. Otherwise, apply 1 to 2, check the md5sums, then apply 2 to 3, but expect anything from half an hour to an hour for each CD (two phases, double time). It is very CPU intensive, dunno why. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVhrntTMYHG2NR9URAmSDAJwMQXbkRYz5Vk0y87lC+uLOWYBO1ACeOjjS G2muf8CumnCEUeLYlgzcJag= =FkcH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 04:27:49PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

I believe there is a set of deltas labeled RC1_RC3, use those. Otherwise, apply 1 to 2, check the md5sums, then apply 2 to 3, but expect anything from half an hour to an hour for each CD (two phases, double time). It is very CPU intensive, dunno why.

Because the bzip2 de/re-compression eats up lots of cpu cycles... Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);}

On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 09:47:06PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

The Monday 2006-05-01 at 19:21 +0200, Michael Schroeder wrote:

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from half an hour to an hour for each CD (two phases, double time). It is very CPU intensive, dunno why.

Because the bzip2 de/re-compression eats up lots of cpu cycles...

Ah! That explains it. I knew that it handles a lot of data, but it didn't somehow seem reasonable the time it used. Couldn't it use some other faster compress method? Less compression, perhaps? I didn't see an option in the man page for that.

No, it can't. The rpm payloads are compressed with bzip2, applydeltaiso has to use the same algorithm to be able to recreate an exact copy.

Failing that, I could try recompiling the bzip binary optimizing for pentium 4 instead of the default :-?

I doubt that this will help, as memory latency is what's hurting bzip2, but you can try nevertheless. Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);}

On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 12:28:07AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

It could be uncompressed, the differences applied, then recompressed with something else - but then the checksum would be different.

There are more problems than just the checksum. Using different compression would break the iso layout of the disc. Sure, you could have recreated this as well but then what would finally be the point in distributing iso images at all? Robert -- Robert Schiele Tel.: +49-621-181-2214 Dipl.-Wirtsch.informatiker mailto:rschiele@uni-mannheim.de "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."

On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 01:57 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Tuesday 2006-05-02 at 00:49 +0200, Robert Schiele wrote:

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On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 12:28:07AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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It could be uncompressed, the differences applied, then recompressed with something else - but then the checksum would be different.

There are more problems than just the checksum. Using different compression would break the iso layout of the disc. Sure, you could have recreated this as well but then what would finally be the point in distributing iso images at all?

I mean that the checksum of the would be different, and this in turn means that the iso would be different.

I understand that applydeltaiso decomposes the iso image in the separated rpm archives; to each rpm it applies "applydeltarpm", generating a new rpm; finally, it collects all those new rpm in a new iso image, with the same boot image. The "iso" is generated anew.

However, considering that it takes 50 minutes times 5 disks = 4 hours 10 minutes to recreate the 5 CDs,

I used 5 konsole windows running concurrently to create the 5 CDs and it took me 1.5 hours to create the new iso's. This is on a Xeon 2.4Mhz HT with 768M of ram. Try running two concurrently sometime and see if it runs faster. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-05-02 at 11:50 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Subject: [SLE] Re: [opensuse] Upgrade RC1 to RC3?

Sorry about this XP, I have no idea how I did it. [...] Yes, I do: the post I responded to has a bad reply-to line. It shows why mail list should not set it up :-/ Reply-To: opensuse@opensuse.org, suse-linux-e@suse.com - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEVy94tTMYHG2NR9URAtFmAJsGeNO7B43O5foIa1V6V1ukSSnztQCgil5k 7u9gXNuZsvrHM/wv2bqdzC8= =bVNU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Tuesday 02 May 2006 11:19, Michael Schroeder wrote:

On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:57:13AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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However, considering that it takes 50 minutes times 5 disks = 4 hours 10 minutes to recreate the 5 CDs, it is worth considering if a lower compression ratio, or an altogether different compression method, would be interesting for us all. Perhaps it would mean 6 CDs, but maybe that is acceptable :-?

Yes, we thought about switching back to gzip instead of bzip2 (gzip is much faster). This would also make the installation a bit faster. But all the rpms are not only on the CDs, but the DVD as well, so that would mean dropping packages from the DVD. Thus we decided against it.

Hey, maybe this is a good question for the community: would it be ok for you if we drop a couple of packages for faster installation?

Cheers, Michael.

For myself, I don't mind a few packages being dropped but it would depend on the packages. How would they be selected for omission? Eddie

On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 12:19:19PM +0200, Michael Schroeder wrote: Hey, maybe this is a good question for the community: would it be ok for you if we drop a couple of packages for faster installation?

at present time, install bother all the users trying to find a dhcp server right at the beginning of the install (one minutes loss per eth card), so the speed of the install is not really the point. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 12:53:48PM +0200, jdd wrote:

most of the install (that is minimal text) can be done now with only the first CD. This should be sufficient to go to the first restart (the one that launches Yast again) and then, if install source lacks, go back to the install source package.

and this one should definitely find itself the ftp/http mirror. I hope this will come :-)

Yes. However as there is already a GUI running, it should be possible to have a browser as well. All you need is either having the modem and/or network running. Then you can look up what the difference is between Gnome and KDE. So I am talking even before the reboot, installation. The order of Installation would become: Language Licence Agreement Network # From here you could have a browser running. System Analysis ... With Installation Summery, you could already add additional installation suources, if that feature would be added. Because that basic GUI is already running, the rest afterwards in installation should not be in text. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:13:16PM +0200, jdd wrote:

houghi wrote:

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Because that basic GUI is already running, the rest afterwards in installation should not be in text.

even with minimal install, given you have enough ram, this part is already GUI (that of install)

the only remaining text part is for net install, exactly for the net config :-)

Yes. And that should become first, so you have GUI all over. And also a browser to look for help during the installation when you only have one PC. That way even if you did something that destroyed your preveous OS, leaving you with no means to run an OS, you can still look for help. Just an idea. I have no idea what the downside could be. It would be something between a liveCD and an installation CD. Could this be added for 10.1? houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-05-02 at 19:02 +0200, jdd wrote:

of course, in a near future, having a browser at hand during install should be nice, but very ram demanding.

Very. Unless you are happy with "links" or "w3m" in an xterm at most. I am happy with that.... provided the web page is well designed (in this respect, it means well designed for visually impaired people, they use similar tools to "links" or "lynx"). I would also love to have 'mc' in the install system ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEV61YtTMYHG2NR9URAmAWAJ0SfPJBw4jho1UTyab4XZRJ90MgXwCfSaN8 vj/cac8/kdAp266MqTRiy5I= =FkTw -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2006-05-02 at 21:38 +0200, houghi wrote:

w3m has the nice feature that it is able to show pictures, wich is nice:

I know, thats why I mentioned it.

links can handle frames.

Exactly, and that is needed also.

A list of other browsers can be found here: http://www.itp.uni-hannover.de/~kreutzm/en/lin_browser.html

DSL uses dillo.

I haven't tried it, it is not included in 9.3.

For SUSE 10.0 http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/rpms/dillo-0.8.6-1.suse10.i586.rpm More info on http://www.dillo.org/ It is not good with CSS. At least not by default.

But we do not need CSS in the installation CD, do we? :-?

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I would also love to have 'mc' in the install system ;-)

YES! :-)

I think many would agree on that one ;-) It is a wonderfull tool for finding info and investigating logs, configuration files, documentations, rpm archives... - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEV/EutTMYHG2NR9URAmK+AJ4tmz2ltbgKsx/asOm9TO6p+RiilACbB6EC SLndQkslYI9c8fAwC5fSQ/Y= =WK/s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2006-05-03 at 02:10 +0200, houghi wrote:

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DSL uses dillo.

I haven't tried it, it is not included in 9.3.

It is also not included in 10.0 You could try the 10.0 URL I gave and see if that works `rpm -Uvh URL`

Umm. Too many things in my todo list O:-)

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But we do not need CSS in the installation CD, do we? :-?

Many people might get confused if they suddenly see openSUSE differently then what they are used to, or any of their favorite forum sites.

Hold on, I must be confused, html things are not my strong point. CSS was not for https, I mean, encripted secure http? Or is it some sort of local rendering code?

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I would also love to have 'mc' in the install system ;-)

YES! :-)

I think many would agree on that one ;-)

It is a wonderfull tool for finding info and investigating logs, configuration files, documentations, rpm archives...

Yes, and if there is a network connection, an IRC client should also be included, but that should be the limit.

Dunno about that one, because I've never used irc - after all, till two months ago I had to pay my internet connection by the minute, so I didn't use those things.

For me a network connection would be enough, because then I can ssh to one of my external ssh accounts and run whatever I like there.

mc has an ftp client as well ;-)

The question is, can a network connection be made at that moment in the insstallation?

Quite early, at least. You can install from a network source, so it must be activated before the point when packages have to be installed. Network card modules are be loaded right from the start, I think. If there is a dhcp server it gets configured very early, I think. Maybe it gets activated at the "proposal" phase. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEV/ustTMYHG2NR9URAhKwAJ0UAigzHOhfRLtc3zZYB5yVie7t+wCfcwiR JDVjWxrXWZCYAFzRNve/Lm8= =hVi6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 07:02:56PM +0200, jdd wrote:

houghi wrote:

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It would be something between a liveCD and an installation CD.

we already have a live installable DVD. I would like a live and installable CD

That as well.

of course, in a near future, having a browser at hand during install should be nice, but very ram demanding.

I have qnx seen doing it with 'Internet on a floppy' about 5 to 10 years ago. Obviously no Java enabled browser. :-) I believe there are some nice lightweight ones. A GUI of links, lynx or w3m.

don't forget that if the hard drive in unpartitionned, there are no swap avail...

With a bit recent system that should not eb an issue. If the memory is too low, it could be disabled. Same if there is no DHCP connection possible or no modem that can be configured. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Tue, 2006-05-02 at 12:19 +0200, Michael Schroeder wrote:

On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 01:57:13AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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However, considering that it takes 50 minutes times 5 disks = 4 hours 10 minutes to recreate the 5 CDs, it is worth considering if a lower compression ratio, or an altogether different compression method, would be interesting for us all. Perhaps it would mean 6 CDs, but maybe that is acceptable :-?

Yes, we thought about switching back to gzip instead of bzip2 (gzip is much faster). This would also make the installation a bit faster. But all the rpms are not only on the CDs, but the DVD as well, so that would mean dropping packages from the DVD. Thus we decided against it.

Hey, maybe this is a good question for the community: would it be ok for you if we drop a couple of packages for faster installation?

What would be the harm in dropping a few packages from the install media but have them available from the ftp server? Could be a software source pre-defined during install. I have noticed that the install times seem to be longer. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998

On Tue, May 02, 2006 at 09:36:47PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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What would be the harm in dropping a few packages from the install media but have them available from the ftp server? Could be a software source pre-defined during install. I have noticed that the install times seem to be longer.

The harm would be for those people with bad or no internet access.

Only really supperfluous packages can be dropped; otherwise, an extra CD/DVD should have to be available.

Rearraging the content brought the default needed CD's from 5 back to 3. Perhaps dropping double things, it could be brought back to 2. Moving non-essentials to 3-5/6 houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 01:49:37AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Yes, but that is only good for downloading, not for buying. I mean, you can download what you need or think you need. But for the bought version, we need everything included, and the limit is one dvd, two dvds... one of the reasons of "buying" is not having to download. That was my case not even two months ago.

The boxed set has a dual layer DVD. This means it already holds much more then in the download version and I believe all of the FTP version. Please correct me if there are packages not included. So once you have the boxed version, you don't need to download. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 02:46:41AM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

But if I understood Michael Schroeder correctly, he said that using gzip instead of bzip would mean the software would not fit on the dvd - I suppose he refers to the boxed version dvd. The ammount of packages must be at the limit already.

The discussion was then about the delta iso's and those are only for the downloadable versions. At least that is how I read it. The 6 CD's should have the same content as the DVD's If you want a faster installation, then you need to drop RPM's. If you drop them from the CD's, you need to drop them from the DVD as well. This all just for the single layer DVD. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Well, if it is for the download version, then I wouldn't care much. I would then drop the kde files and OOo files for other languages than mine ;-)

I would also drop the Gnome stuff and add some extra things for my WindowMaker. :-) houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

Carlos E. R. wrote:

No, I meant dropping only the internationalization files of kde and OOo because they are big, not dropping all kde and OOo. For the download version it doesn't matter much, because somebody that can download the isos can also install those on line.

you know, at present time one can install the minimal instal with only the first cd. It should be nice to be able to have also a graphic interface, even minimal (fnwm2 works still very xell), givne in any way, kde needs more than one cd. is you need more than one, having 3 or 4 don't seems a great problem. in such case most of the people with low bandwith uses dvd from newspapers jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net http://fr.susewiki.org/index.php?title=Gérer_ses_photos

Hello, Am Mittwoch, 3. Mai 2006 02:46 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

Yes, I think the boxed version is complete,

More or less ;-) There are several packages that are only available on FTP because the DVD9 is too small... (455 packages in RC1 [1] + all debuginfo packages - I don't have a list for 10.1 final yet) BTW: The fact that nearly nobody noticed this yet shows that SUSE chose the least important packages to be FTP-only ;-))

including some non oss things, and sometimes comercial software.

Most of them should be available in "Extra" also - see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166946 and https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166949 for details. Regards, Christian Boltz [1] I compared INDEX.gz from different media on RC1 - full list of differences on request, just mail me off-list --

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Liegt nicht an meinem .spec. Das sagt jeder ;-) Naja, aber ich zu Recht ;)) Sagt auch jeder ;-) *SCNR* [> David Haller und Christian Boltz in fontlinge-devel]

Hello, Am Freitag, 5. Mai 2006 23:48 schrieb houghi:

On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 11:39:20PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote: [...]

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BTW: The fact that nearly nobody noticed this yet shows that SUSE chose the least important packages to be FTP-only ;-))

Most likely because the DVD9 was not yet publicly available. Or am I missing something?

No, you didn't miss anything. I don't have any DVD9 of 10.1 yet (but it was available SUSE-internally AFAIK). I asked AJ to send me the INDEX.gz of different media (including DVD9) to be able to do some comparison. The result was a small script to automate the comparison ;-) and 4 bugreports (two of them already fixed, the two below are still open/unclear). BTW: There were some FTP-only packages in 10.0 already, but the list was shorter - http://suse-linux-faq.koehntopp.de/q/q-suse100-ftponly.html (headlines in german, but the package list should be understandable for everybody ;-)

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Most of them should be available in "Extra" also - see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166946 and https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166949 for details.

If they are on the Extra (or CD6) they should be on DVD9 and DVD5 as well.

In general, yes - but note that not all packages in Extra are on CD6 and therefore probably not on DVD5 also. OTOH, some packages are on CD6, but not in Extra... Regards, Christian Boltz -- When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows", people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, *for free*". [Linus Torvalds]

Hello, Am Sonntag, 7. Mai 2006 16:10 schrieb houghi:

On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 11:10:43PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:

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Am Freitag, 5. Mai 2006 23:48 schrieb houghi:

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On Fri, May 05, 2006 at 11:39:20PM +0200, Christian Boltz wrote:

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BTW: The fact that nearly nobody noticed this yet shows that SUSE chose the least important packages to be FTP-only ;-))

Most likely because the DVD9 was not yet publicly available. Or am I missing something?

No, you didn't miss anything. I don't have any DVD9 of 10.1 yet (but it was available SUSE-internally AFAIK).

That was the reason nobody noticed. ;-)

OK, you won ;-) But even the number of "not on CD" complaints was low IIRC.

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BTW: There were some FTP-only packages in 10.0 already, but the list was shorter - http://suse-linux-faq.koehntopp.de/q/q-suse100-ftponly.html (headlines in german, but the package list should be understandable for everybody ;-)

Why not point to the URL that is described in the `Release notes`

Because it is another list ;-)

http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/professional/diff_cd_dvd.html

-> shows the difference between the 5 CDs and the retail DVD

And there also is http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tip/16015.html

-> lists the packages only available on retail DVD (and doesn't mention that many of them are available in the Extra directory BTW) My link lists packages that are _only_ available on the FTP server.

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OTOH, some packages are on CD6, but not in Extra...

That should, I think, not happen.

That's why I filed the mentioned bugreports *g* Regards, Christian Boltz -- Ich habe das Gefühl, dass dem DiskDruid der Zaubertrank gestohlen wurde und der so verrückt partitoniert bzw. Mountpoints zuordnet, dass man den bis auf weiteres besser in eine Ausnüchterungszelle steckt. Für professionelle / komplexe Partionierung ist das Ding nicht zu gebrauchen. [Al Bogner in suse-linux]

Hi, On Sun, 7 May 2006, jdd wrote:

Christian Boltz wrote:

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My link lists packages that are _only_ available on the FTP server.

I still have to think how we could possibly make all this understandable but anybody :-(

what about different inst-sources?

Beware! For what! Come back to the ground!

*inst-source equal to 5 cd *inst-source-proprietary *inst-source-extra what is on no cd/dvd

??????

(and of course all that on the same 10.0 tree)

The current inst-source would need almost 50 CDs. emoenke@ftp4:0 20:46:26 /mirr/bin > du -s /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ 33169104 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/ emoenke@ftp4:0 22:49:29 /mirr/bin > emoenke@ftp4:0 22:49:29 /mirr/bin > du -s /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/* 8694188 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/i586 27524 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/i686 1966004 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/noarch 256120 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/nosrc 7612932 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/ppc 64588 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/ppc64 76776 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/repodata 56480 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/setup 6608828 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/src 6965208 /pub/opensuse/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/x86_64 emoenke@ftp4:0 22:51:57 /mirr/bin > I'm just delivering some neglected facts - I do not want to participate in this discussion. Beware to reply. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)

On Mon, May 08, 2006 at 08:45:18AM +0200, jdd wrote:

Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:

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The current inst-source would need almost 50 CDs.

?? I don't speak about cd's, only rpm. I only look for a way to know what is what.

It's also possible to quote it in the file name and to have all in the same directory, as Houghi said

I said to have it all in one directory. Not to have it in the file name, or whatever. There should be only two ways. 1) FTP + boxed set. That has it all 2) ISO download. Does not have it all. So that way if it ain't on the ISO, it is on the mirror. What could be done is use ARCHIVES.gz not only for those things that are on the ISO, but also include things that are not there. e.g. it now says: ./CD1/suse/noarch/update-desktop-files-10.1-36.noarch.rpm: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3321 Dec 1 07:07 /usr/share/update-desktop-files/templates/Internet/Terminal/slrn.desktop ./CD3/suse/noarch/susehelp-2006.04.25-3.noarch.rpm: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 213 Apr 26 02:00 /usr/share/susehelp/meta/Manuals/Productivity/slrn.desktop ./CD4/suse/i586/slrn-0.9.8.1pl1-11.i586.rpm: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Apr 26 00:02 /etc/slrn ... It could add e.g. ./non-oss/... opera.rpm ./FTP/... java.rpm ... That way you know where to get stuff. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Sun, May 07, 2006 at 10:46:14PM +0200, jdd wrote:

Christian Boltz wrote:

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Hello,

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My link lists packages that are _only_ available on the FTP server.

I still have to think how we could possibly make all this understandable but anybody :-(

what about different inst-sources?

*inst-source equal to 5 cd *inst-source-proprietary *inst-source-extra what is on no cd/dvd

??????

I rather would have just one inst-source. One with all. YaST will figure out what to use. The different inst-sources as they are now is more confusing then anything else. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 04:13:58PM +0200, Jerry Westrick wrote:

On Monday 01 May 2006 16:01, jdd wrote:

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Jerry Westrick wrote:

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Ummm, What is the best best method to upgrade from RC1 to RC3?

download deltaiso, applydeltaiso and burn 5 RW cd... nothing else worked for me jdd Hmmm, does "apply the Deltas" work from RC1 to RC3? or is it necesary to download rc2 deltas, apply them, and then apply rc3 deltas?

Best subscribe to the opensuse-anounce mailinglist. http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-announce/2006-Apr/0008.html Also best subscribe to opensuse-factory when you are running Alpha's, Beta's and/or RC's. That is what those lists are for. houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau