On Saturday 29 March 2008 20:55:19 Benji Weber wrote:

On 29/03/2008, Stan Goodman wrote:

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The Panel of my KDE Desktom has disappeared in mid-session. I do not associate this with any action of mine. How can I get it back?

In the absense of the chameleon at the left end, I do not know how to call up a command line. How is that done?

Hit alt-f2, you should get the run dialogue. Then type "kicker" and click run.

(assuming you are using kde3)

-- Benjamin Weber

The dialog works fine; I have been using it all day. But it does not bring back the Panel. Again... I see the Panel very briefly when the system boots, after which it goes back into its hole (like on Groundhog Day). -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 29 March 2008 20:55:28 Matthias Bach wrote:

Hi!

Am Samstag 29 März 2008 schrieb Stan Goodman:

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The Panel of my KDE Desktom has disappeared in mid-session. I do not associate this with any action of mine. How can I get it back?

Launch kicker.

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In the absense of the chameleon at the left end, I do not know how to call up a command line. How is that done?

Press Alt + F2.

I tried this earlier. What I don't know is what Alt-F2 calls the command line. I tried "terminal", but it doesn't know that. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 29 March 2008 21:22:03 K.R. Foley wrote:

Stan Goodman wrote:

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On Saturday 29 March 2008 20:55:28 Matthias Bach wrote:

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Hi!

Am Samstag 29 März 2008 schrieb Stan Goodman:

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The Panel of my KDE Desktom has disappeared in mid-session. I do not associate this with any action of mine. How can I get it back?

Launch kicker.

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In the absense of the chameleon at the left end, I do not know how to call up a command line. How is that done?

Press Alt + F2.

I tried this earlier. What I don't know is what Alt-F2 calls the command line. I tried "terminal", but it doesn't know that.

Try konsole.

This is hilarious. I tried "console", which of course didn't work, because I was not cute enough. Score another for KDE. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 29 March 2008 21:46:38 Joe Sloan wrote:

Stan Goodman wrote:

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On Saturday 29 March 2008 21:22:03 K.R. Foley wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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On Saturday 29 March 2008 20:55:28 Matthias Bach wrote:

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Hi!

Am Samstag 29 März 2008 schrieb Stan Goodman:

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The Panel of my KDE Desktom has disappeared in mid-session. I do not associate this with any action of mine. How can I get it back?

Launch kicker.

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In the absense of the chameleon at the left end, I do not know how to call up a command line. How is that done?

Press Alt + F2.

I tried this earlier. What I don't know is what Alt-F2 calls the command line. I tried "terminal", but it doesn't know that.

Try konsole.

This is hilarious. I tried "console", which of course didn't work, because I was not cute enough. Score another for KDE.

While konsole is the kde terminal program, I'd have never thought "console" to be the name of a program, as it's more of a generic term. As a unix guy, my first instinct would probably have been xterm...

Oh well, live and learn. Joe

I am doing my very best to do just that. I don't think of "console" as being the name of a program either, nor "terminal", for that matter -- probably because I don't think of the command line as a program, but just as a command line. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Bullock wrote:

Clever or not so clever application naming aside, I'm seeing the same "Disappeared Panel" from time to time, starting about a week ago along with some other symptoms. I'd like to help diagnose this. What info should / could I grab? Where can I route the info?

This is an old bug that has never been fixed in KDE! I suspect there are several causes, one of them is moving the mouse while clicking on any icon or open folder on the bar. A restart of kicker DOESN'T always bring back the bar. Fred -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stan Goodman schreef:

On Saturday 29 March 2008 21:46:38 Joe Sloan wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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On Saturday 29 March 2008 21:22:03 K.R. Foley wrote:

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Stan Goodman wrote:

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On Saturday 29 March 2008 20:55:28 Matthias Bach wrote:

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Hi!

Am Samstag 29 März 2008 schrieb Stan Goodman:

> The Panel of my KDE Desktom has disappeared in mid-session. I do > not associate this with any action of mine. How can I get it > back? > Launch kicker.

> In the absense of the chameleon at the left end, I do not know > how to call up a command line. How is that done? > Press Alt + F2.

I tried this earlier. What I don't know is what Alt-F2 calls the command line. I tried "terminal", but it doesn't know that.

Try konsole.

This is hilarious. I tried "console", which of course didn't work, because I was not cute enough. Score another for KDE.

While konsole is the kde terminal program, I'd have never thought "console" to be the name of a program, as it's more of a generic term. As a unix guy, my first instinct would probably have been xterm...

Oh well, live and learn. Joe

I am doing my very best to do just that.

I don't think of "console" as being the name of a program either, nor "terminal", for that matter -- probably because I don't think of the command line as a program, but just as a command line.

KONSOLE, konsole, not console.. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.25-rc5-git2-5-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.66 (KDE 4.0.66 >= 20080313) "release 6.1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 29 March 2008 21:28:51 Felix Miata wrote:

On 2008/03/29 21:16 (GMT+0300) Stan Goodman apparently typed:

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On Saturday 29 March 2008 20:55:28 Matthias Bach wrote:

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Am Samstag 29 März 2008 schrieb Stan Goodman:

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The Panel of my KDE Desktom has disappeared in mid-session. I do not associate this with any action of mine. How can I get it back?

Is your screen adjusted so nothing off the ends, top or bottom is cut off? Maybe the kicker panel button got accidentally clicked and is hidden off the edge of the screen. You could try burying the mouse pointer in a bottom corner and clicking to see.

That was the first thing I did. I poked about with the mouse along all the edges and in all the corners (I thought perhaps there might be a sensitive point to bring it up, but there isn't. The bottom edge of the Desktop does not seem to have been extended off the display, and there is no veritcal scrollbar to show that there is more than what meets the eye. And anyway, when the Panel does appear momentarily at boot, it is right where it should be.

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Launch kicker.

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In the absense of the chameleon at the left end, I do not know how to call up a command line. How is that done?

Press Alt + F2.

I tried this earlier. What I don't know is what Alt-F2 calls the command line. I tried "terminal", but it doesn't know that.

Try konsole when the run command window comes up.

I have it now, because someone else mentioned it. It's very klever. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Saturday 29 March 2008 22:35:18 Rikard Johnels wrote:

On Saturday 29 March 2008 19:46, Stan Goodman wrote:

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On Saturday 29 March 2008 21:28:51 Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2008/03/29 21:16 (GMT+0300) Stan Goodman apparently typed:

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On Saturday 29 March 2008 20:55:28 Matthias Bach wrote:

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Am Samstag 29 MÀrz 2008 schrieb Stan Goodman:

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The Panel of my KDE Desktom has disappeared in mid-session. I do not associate this with any action of mine. How can I get it back?

Is your screen adjusted so nothing off the ends, top or bottom is cut off? Maybe the kicker panel button got accidentally clicked and is hidden off the edge of the screen. You could try burying the mouse pointer in a bottom corner and clicking to see.

That was the first thing I did. I poked about with the mouse along all the edges and in all the corners (I thought perhaps there might be a sensitive point to bring it up, but there isn't. The bottom edge of the Desktop does not seem to have been extended off the display, and there is no veritcal scrollbar to show that there is more than what meets the eye. And anyway, when the Panel does appear momentarily at boot, it is right where it should be.

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Launch kicker.

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In the absense of the chameleon at the left end, I do not know how to call up a command line. How is that done?

Press Alt + F2.

I tried this earlier. What I don't know is what Alt-F2 calls the command line. I tried "terminal", but it doesn't know that.

Try konsole when the run command window comes up.

I have it now, because someone else mentioned it. It's very klever.

-- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel

Does kicker run? (ps -ax) What does the comandline tell you if you run it again? Any error messages?

I understand you are asking me to run ps -ax in a console. This brings ut the following: ***** stan@poblano:~> ps -ax Warning: bad ps syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See http://procps.sf.net/faq.html ***** followed by a long list in which there is no mention of "kicker" at all. -- Stan Goodman Qiryat Tiv'on Israel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org