On Friday 12 October 2007 00:57:31 Jake Conk wrote:

No you misunderstood, good try though.

Grrr... top-posting. You're breaking the logic of the thread. I'd say Roger understood perfectly what you're trying to achieve. He's given you a solution based on KDE, but it's a trivial adaptation for GNOME (which you've already mentioned you've got). sudo is going to be a waste of time, as it will be expecting a terminal console in which to enter the password to allow privileged access. However, if you look at Roger's script he's checking to see if the current user is id 0 (this is root by the way). If it is, then the application is launched. If not, then it launches the application via kdesu. kdesu, in case you didn't know, is a 'wrapper' binary that prompts for the root password to launch a privileged application. It's how YaST2 is launched in the KDE desktop environment. Now as you mentioned you've got GNOME available you might want to look again at Roger's script, and google for gnomesu Jon

On 10/11/07, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 03:57 -0700, Jake Conk wrote:

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Hello,

i want to add a program to my desktop panel but it needs to be ran as root when clicked... How do make a it prompt for my root password when I click on that application from a panel? I tried putting sudo in front of it in hopes a prompt of some sort will come up but no luck.

Regards, - Jake

PS. If it matters, I'm running Xfce but I have Gnome installed if I need something from gnome.

Or KDE? This may run outside KDE. I use something like this:

LAUNCH_CMD="MyCommand"

if test `id -u` -eq 0 ; then exec $LAUNCH_CMD 2> /dev/null else kdesu -n -c "$LAUNCH_CMD" 2> /dev/null fi

I send errors to /dev/null for the heck of it. Remove as needed.

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(Please don't top post. Reformatting it) Jake Conk wrote:

On 10/11/07, Jonathan Ervine wrote:

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No you misunderstood, good try though. Grrr... top-posting. You're breaking the logic of the thread. I'd say Roger understood perfectly what you're trying to achieve. He's given you a solution

On Friday 12 October 2007 00:57:31 Jake Conk wrote: based on KDE, but it's a trivial adaptation for GNOME (which you've already mentioned you've got).

sudo is going to be a waste of time, as it will be expecting a terminal console in which to enter the password to allow privileged access. However, if you look at Roger's script he's checking to see if the current user is id 0 (this is root by the way). If it is, then the application is launched. If not, then it launches the application via kdesu. kdesu, in case you didn't know, is a 'wrapper' binary that prompts for the root password to launch a privileged application. It's how YaST2 is launched in the KDE desktop environment.

Now as you mentioned you've got GNOME available you might want to look again at Roger's script, and google for gnomesu

Jon

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On 10/11/07, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On Thu, 2007-10-11 at 03:57 -0700, Jake Conk wrote:

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Hello,

i want to add a program to my desktop panel but it needs to be ran as root when clicked... How do make a it prompt for my root password when I click on that application from a panel? I tried putting sudo in front of it in hopes a prompt of some sort will come up but no luck.

Regards, - Jake

PS. If it matters, I'm running Xfce but I have Gnome installed if I need something from gnome. Or KDE? This may run outside KDE. I use something like this:

LAUNCH_CMD="MyCommand"

if test `id -u` -eq 0 ; then exec $LAUNCH_CMD 2> /dev/null else kdesu -n -c "$LAUNCH_CMD" 2> /dev/null fi

I send errors to /dev/null for the heck of it. Remove as needed.

-- This is obviously to launch a program from my panel as I mentioned and I'm obviously not root so there is no need to make a script which is going a bit beyond of what I wanted to do. I guess if I had kde installed the kdesu <program> would have worked but since I don't then a better answer would have been gnomesu.

Anyways I've found gksu which is actually the right answer because it doesn't require gnome or kde and it solves my problem. No need to make it into a script or anything..

Actually, the script is a good idea. It is checking to see if you are already root, so it doesn't ask you again for the root password. This makes it a generally useful script that you can use anywhere. And yes, simply replacing 'kdesu' with 'gksu' (or gnomesu) is what you want to do. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Linux Brain Dump - Linux Notes, HOWTOs and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbraindump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Oct 12, 2007 at 04:32:15PM -0700, Jake Conk wrote:

Jonathan,

What are you talking about "top post"? Someone also told me to stop topposting but I don't know what that is and I don't think I'm doing anything wrong here. I'm not reformatting the emails in any way, heck,

A search on google would have given you more then one answer http://www.caliburn.nl/topposting.html

I'm too lazy to go out of my way to reformat something myself.

And that is the problem. On how to quote correctly: http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html English http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren/ Deutsch http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Nederlands It is written specificaly for Usenet, yet it also applies to mailinglists (and I would prefer for email in general) houghi -- To have a nice mailinglist experience, follow the guidelines below:

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Jake, This is "top posting". Posting above the message you are replying to. Many flame wars on the list have been caused by this practice. Scroll down. On 10/12/2007 Jake Conk wrote:

Jonathan,

What are you talking about "top post"? Someone also told me to stop topposting but I don't know what that is and I don't think I'm doing anything wrong here. I'm not reformatting the emails in any way, heck, I'm too lazy to go out of my way to reformat something myself.

All I'm doing is clicking reply to the message I want to reply to and writting my replys. I'm not editing anything or trying to cause a disturbance here. What's wrong with my emails? Do I possibly have a gmail setting thats screwing things up or should I reply back with Rich Text formatting?

I'm sorry if I'm doing something thats irritating you guys unintentionally. Please tell me so I can try to fix it.

Thanks, - Jake

This is "bottom posting". The preferred method by the list. I, personally, like top posting. If, for some reason, my memory is so poor that I can't remember what the thread is about I can always scroll down to find out. A couple other things you might need to know to save you from getting roasted over the flames: Reply ONLY to the list. NEVER to the person [ unless requested to do so ]. I use Firefox and there is a rather hard to find extension called "Reply to List". You can Google for it. Follow the instructions on the site to get it set up. Otherwise use "Reply to All" and remove the extra address's Trim down the quoted portion of the e-mail you are replying to. [ Notice I did that to your message that I am replying to. ] Having to scroll through umpteen pages of quoted message is VERY annoying to anyone. [ the reason I like top posting - most people don't trim the reply quote ] I use an official Mozilla extension called "Quick Quote". With this I highlight the text I want to quote and right click. Choose "Quote in Reply to All" and trim out the extra address's. Reply To List doesn't have a "quote" option. It just quotes the whole message and you have to manually trim. NEVER use "Reply" to send a message that isn't directly related to the original subject. [ Much like this post is to the original post ] It trash's the "threading". It appears that some people have many terabytes of mail storage space and save everything "threaded". [ Me, I use the "Delete" button. I don't find it necessary to keep all that trash. ] [ Have you ever used a message board? Shows the messages sort of like this: Original post Reply1 Reply to Reply1 Reply to Reply to Reply1 Reply to Reply1 Reply2 etcetera ad infinitum et nauseum. ] That's "threaded" messaging. I'm sure there is something I missed. But I hope this saves you from getting roasted alive. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 08:29 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote:

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I, personally, like top posting.

So do I, and I find myself taking a bit longer to respond because of bottom posting. But I can see it has its benefits.

:^)

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Reply ONLY to the list.

This actually is something of a challenge. Many of us by force of habit click "reply" and I keep having to stop myself before sending and re-doing the whole thing.

but, relative to the email proccess, you are NEW, as "in the beginning" the expected action was *normal*.

On other mailing lists, the system always changes the "reply-to" header to the actual mailing list. So when we click "reply", it won't reply directly to the person instead of the list. Can't we make that change here?

Not open for discussion/change. Has been debated ad infinitum here, see the archives.

It would probably make many lives easier. I know manmail does this because I've configured it as such to do so in the past.

explained above.

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Trim down the quoted portion of the e-mail you are replying to.

But doesn't this sort of defeat the purpose of bottom posting?

No, if you are current (you *are* reading the list?) there is no need to continually *re-read* *old* context. The idea is to *only* quote enough to put your answers into context.

In effect, when we're trimming, we're creating a new thread.

no

If the purpose of bottom posting is to give readers a chance to catch up on the conversation as a whole if they've stepped in late in the game, then they've missed the topic in its entirety when we clip.

no, it is not. That is why the archives exist.

I just joined this list this week (and I love this list so far...) but there were ongoing conversations when I joined, and people trimmed down as suggested. Reading those posts, I had the feeling there was more to it than what I was reading in front of me.

again, if you were *current* this would not be a problem. Why impose on readers who are "up-do-date" for *late-comers*?

Not to mention, clearly the topic of this conversation is now different from the original topic of this conversation. How are we supposed to handle that? Retitle the subject?

yes, see the Subject: of this post. BUT, if the context changes drastically into another direction or topic (and this one has but...) a *new* thread/subject *should* be started. Which means a brand new message, not a reply to an existing message. ex. All posts (except from particular *broken* clients) contain "Message-ID:"s and replies "References:" and "In-Reply-To:" headers which tie (thread) messages together. Your post to which I am replying contains: Message-Id: <1192287659.21913.38.camel@desktop.bryen.info> In-Reply-To: <4710C832.6030108@swbell.net> References: <8583d0970710110357v270751e5i2d250226549e795a@mail.gmail.com> <1192102779.14080.102.camel@acme.pacific> <8583d0970710111657v6b78ea8cx3285867803c7b9a8@mail.gmail.com> <200710120407.58100.jervine@novell.com> <8583d0970710120140h63fe21a1ofad3277bbe2f5ff8@mail.gmail.com> <8583d0970710121632i77acca71g441242665a40e0a9@mail.gmail.com> <4710C832.6030108@swbell.net> This makes it possible for intelligent email clients to provide threading, ie: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/~pat/threading-example.jpg

Just another newbie feeling my way around. :-)

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On 10/13/2007 Bryen wrote:

But doesn't this sort of defeat the purpose of bottom posting? In effect, when we're trimming, we're creating a new thread. If the purpose of bottom posting is to give readers a chance to catch up on the conversation as a whole if they've stepped in late in the game, then they've missed the topic in its entirety when we clip.

I just joined this list this week (and I love this list so far...) but there were ongoing conversations when I joined, and people trimmed down as suggested. Reading those posts, I had the feeling there was more to it than what I was reading in front of me.

However, if a thread were to run for a month, as some do, and nobody trimmed down the thread along the line, it might take ten or fifteen minutes just to scroll down to the reply, Alright, maybe thats a bit of an exaggeration, but probably not to much of one. BUT, if printed out it might take four or five sheets to print it out. Do you REALLY want to scroll down that far. If you feel like you need to read the whole thread from beginning to end you can always go to the archives. In fact if more of us checked the archives before asking questions we might find the answer without having to post. -- (o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) Billie Walsh The three best words in the English Language: "I LOVE YOU" Pass them on! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bryen wrote:

On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 08:29 -0500, Billie Walsh wrote:

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I, personally, like top posting. If, for some reason, my memory is so poor that I can't remember what the thread is about I can always scroll down to find out.

So do I, and I find myself taking a bit longer to respond because of bottom posting. But I can see it has its benefits.

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A couple other things you might need to know to save you from getting roasted over the flames:

Reply ONLY to the list. NEVER to the person [ unless requested to do so ]. I use Firefox and there is a rather hard to find extension called "Reply to List". You can Google for it. Follow the instructions on the site to get it set up. Otherwise use "Reply to All" and remove the extra address's

This actually is something of a challenge. Many of us by force of habit click "reply" and I keep having to stop myself before sending and re-doing the whole thing. On other mailing lists, the system always changes the "reply-to" header to the actual mailing list. So when we click "reply", it won't reply directly to the person instead of the list. Can't we make that change here? It would probably make many lives easier. I know manmail does this because I've configured it as such to do so in the past.

There is no easy answer to this dilemma of a reply to list or reply to emailer. Every list needs to come to its own conclusion and this one has it so that a reply goes to the sender only. Other lists I'm on that have a reply to list as the default are bombarded with requests to change it to a reply to sender. A very nice compromise is to read this list on gmane.org with a news reader (like Thunderbird). In this case, the reply is to the "newsgroup", which gets filtered to the mailing list. I highly recommend it. http://www.gmane.org -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@buddydog.org) Linux Brain Dump - Linux Notes, HOWTOs and Tutorials: http://www.linuxbraindump.org Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org