[opensuse] deleting news posts in thunderbird
Hello, It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan. is there some setup I missed? thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Hello,
It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan.
is there some setup I missed?
Maybe: http://ilias.ca/blog/2011/07/deleting-individual-newsgroup-messages-in-thund... -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 21/04/2012 10:33, Per Jessen a écrit :
jdd wrote:
Hello,
It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan.
is there some setup I missed?
Maybe:
http://ilias.ca/blog/2011/07/deleting-individual-newsgroup-messages-in-thund...
exact! thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-04-21 10:18, jdd wrote:
Hello,
It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan.
If I remember correctly, posts are not deleted on the servers. Just they are not displayed on your machine. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+SkRIACgkQIvFNjefEBxr8wwCfdwQJAat6Rm1OJr+/LQpqaD0z o8cAn35rdVTP6ABbbEPjyxpPlnKxOMyo =6+sr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 21/04/2012 12:50, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
If I remember correctly, posts are not deleted on the servers. Just they are not displayed on your machine.
yes, cancel on news groups remove the post from the groups, but of course not from the user if he did save them. it's (for me) mostly a way to remove erroneous posts (or with too many typos) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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On 2012-04-21 10:18, jdd wrote:
Hello,
It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan.
If I remember correctly, posts are not deleted on the servers. Just they are not displayed on your machine.
Yes, I think so too - once your post is out, it's out, although I think there is an option to supercede it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 21/04/12 22:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Hello,
It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan. If I remember correctly, posts are not deleted on the servers. Just
On 2012-04-21 10:18, jdd wrote: they are not displayed on your machine. Yes, I think so too - once your post is out, it's out, although I think there is an option to supercede it.
If I recall correctly, back in the early 1990s, when newsgroups were very active and the software had the ability to do so, one could actually delete a message and it would even get deleted from the recipient's computer PROVIDED that s/he had not saved it (as a backup for example). I seem to recall reading such a post but then finding that it was deleted almost in front of my eyes while I was still reading the newsgroup. But, of course, this was before google which is now storing everything it gets its hands on for hundreds of years...... and I don't think that that deleting a post is now possible as it was back "then". Google is NOT your friend. But I may be wrong. BC -- There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. W C Fields -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 21/04/12 22:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Hello,
It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan. If I remember correctly, posts are not deleted on the servers. Just
On 2012-04-21 10:18, jdd wrote: they are not displayed on your machine. Yes, I think so too - once your post is out, it's out, although I think there is an option to supercede it.
If I recall correctly, back in the early 1990s, when newsgroups were very active and the software had the ability to do so, one could actually delete a message and it would even get deleted from the recipient's computer PROVIDED that s/he had not saved it (as a backup for example).
I think there is a Cancel/Rescind Message option in NNTP, but I don't believe very many news-servers support(ed) it. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (14.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 21/04/12 23:13, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 21/04/12 22:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Hello,
It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan. If I remember correctly, posts are not deleted on the servers. Just
On 2012-04-21 10:18, jdd wrote: they are not displayed on your machine. Yes, I think so too - once your post is out, it's out, although I think there is an option to supercede it. If I recall correctly, back in the early 1990s, when newsgroups were very active and the software had the ability to do so, one could actually delete a message and it would even get deleted from the recipient's computer PROVIDED that s/he had not saved it (as a backup for example). I think there is a Cancel/Rescind Message option in NNTP, but I don't believe very many news-servers support(ed) it.
You may be right but remember that I (at least) am talking about something which was in place some 20+years ago when AARNet was "all the rage". And I was using a BBS software which was ahead of its time - not popular but ahead of its time. And things have changed somewhat in the intervening period. I am still subscribed to a few newsgroups and just checked for new messages - and after about 7 months of not downloading posts in these newsgroups I got 6 messages in all :-) . Quite a different story to what used to happen 20 years ago :-) . BC -- There comes a time in the affairs of a man when he has to take the bull by the tail and face the situation. W C Fields -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin said the following on 04/21/2012 09:54 AM:
I think there is a Cancel/Rescind Message option in NNTP, but I don't believe very many news-servers support(ed) it.
You may be right but remember that I (at least) am talking about something which was in place some 20+years ago when AARNet was "all the rage". And I was using a BBS software which was ahead of its time - not popular but ahead of its time. And things have changed somewhat in the intervening period. I am still subscribed to a few newsgroups and just checked for new messages - and after about 7 months of not downloading posts in these newsgroups I got 6 messages in all :-) . Quite a different story to what used to happen 20 years ago :-) .
Twenty years ago (1992) the 'workld wide web' was in its infancy and most of the digerati used was 'netnews' or whatever the local slang term term for NNTP was. Its flood-fill algorithm meant that posting propagated very quickly though the network. Remember, also, that this was the early days of the commercial internet. We weren't drowning in SPAM, SCO was a respectable supplier of small system UNIX and Microsoft wasn't a heavyweight in networking. 'Netnews' ran, for the most part, on university-owned machines that were running "C-news", which was written by Henry Spencer and Geoff Collier of The University of Toronto. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_News Apart from being excellent performing software C-News was excellently written and Henry and Geoff held it up as an example of good coding and software design. Its portability, resilience and maintainability and overall lack of problems was a testimony to that. Henry went on to replicate all of the AT&T C library as open source and a lot more ... http://www.seebs.net/c/10com.html Many of those apply to other languages and to this present day http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/henry.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Spencer RFC-850 has provision for news articles to "expire" (2.2.5) and for "control messages" (2.2.7). Section 3 of RFC-850 details the control messages, among which is <quote> 3.1 Cancel cancel <message ID> If an article with the given message ID is present on the local system, the article is cancelled. This mechanism allows a user to cancel an article after the article has been distributed over the network. </quote> -- I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. -- Douglas Adams -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward wrote:
Twenty years ago (1992) the 'workld wide web' was in its infancy and most of the digerati used was 'netnews' or whatever the local slang term term for NNTP was.
USENET -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 04/21/2012 03:13 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
Basil Chupin wrote:
On 21/04/12 22:00, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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Hello,
It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan. If I remember correctly, posts are not deleted on the servers. Just
On 2012-04-21 10:18, jdd wrote: they are not displayed on your machine. Yes, I think so too - once your post is out, it's out, although I think there is an option to supercede it.
If I recall correctly, back in the early 1990s, when newsgroups were very active and the software had the ability to do so, one could actually delete a message and it would even get deleted from the recipient's computer PROVIDED that s/he had not saved it (as a backup for example).
I think there is a Cancel/Rescind Message option in NNTP, but I don't believe very many news-servers support(ed) it.
the nntp server acting with the gateway to the openSUSE web forums supports it, still...that is, using TBird if i press "Delete", it will.. well, it will delete the post on the nntp server...but, if in the interim the gateway had swept the post to the http side it would remain there, even after the original was purged from the nntp server.. folks who might join the thread via nntp would not see the post, but the web crowd would. -- DD -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
DenverD wrote:
On 04/21/2012 03:13 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
I think there is a Cancel/Rescind Message option in NNTP, but I don't believe very many news-servers support(ed) it.
the nntp server acting with the gateway to the openSUSE web forums supports it, still...that is, using TBird if i press "Delete", it will..
well, it will delete the post on the nntp server...but, if in the interim the gateway had swept the post to the http side it would remain there, even after the original was purged from the nntp server..
Yeah, once it leaves nntp, there's definitely no deleting your posting. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:39:53 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Yeah, once it leaves nntp, there's definitely no deleting your posting.
Sure there is - contact staff (report the post on the web interface) and ask that it be deleted. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Jim Henderson wrote:
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 17:39:53 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Yeah, once it leaves nntp, there's definitely no deleting your posting.
Sure there is - contact staff (report the post on the web interface) and ask that it be deleted.
In the current context of hitting a button in TB, there is no way of deleting a posting that has been forwarded to a non-NNTP media. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (7.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 10:47:50 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
In the current context of hitting a button in TB, there is no way of deleting a posting that has been forwarded to a non-NNTP media.
Of course. NNTP readers only know about NNTP. But if the question is how to have a post removed from the forums, there is a way to do that, so I explained how to do that. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-04-21 16:31, DenverD wrote:
On 04/21/2012 03:13 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
the nntp server acting with the gateway to the openSUSE web forums supports it, still...that is, using TBird if i press "Delete", it will..
It does? :-o Curious. It would not work for me, because I use leafnode. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+S9YYACgkQIvFNjefEBxqRhwCdF5alGKnekz1+cOf3i+b5/uIy 42kAn1ppZhQ6Ce/x3D7gvfgy/LZ0/2Vh =aSPP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-04-21 19:59, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2012-04-21 16:31, DenverD wrote:
On 04/21/2012 03:13 PM, Per Jessen wrote:
the nntp server acting with the gateway to the openSUSE web forums supports it, still...that is, using TBird if i press "Delete", it will..
It does? :-o Curious.
It would not work for me, because I use leafnode.
I tried. I posted to the test thread, told leafnode to upload it, it appeared in thunderbird, then told it to cancel the post. I don't remember for sure if I run leafnode again, but I can not find the post in the web side. So it worked... as far as you do this before the time when the gateway runs. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+TBUAACgkQIvFNjefEBxrIXwCfVV3fi4Dzy/kFxwNv4UefRcoh 1ucAniDtFokdV5GaY7qTe4CYoxrIyrMq =Q8Si -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:13:18 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
I think there is a Cancel/Rescind Message option in NNTP, but I don't believe very many news-servers support(ed) it.
Cancel is one of the message types that is almost universally supported. But with USENET, sometimes control.cancel group messages were not forwarded. USENET's implementation of NNTP is highly distributed, and if control messages aren't permitted to flow between servers, then of course the message wouldn't be canceled. That's not because of cancel messages not being implemented - but to prevent abuse of cancel messages propagating through USENET. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sat, 21 Apr 2012 10:18:51 +0200, jdd wrote:
Hello,
It seems that I can't delete/cancel my own posts with thunderbird (11.0, openSUSE 12.1) in newsgroups, when I can do with pan.
is there some setup I missed?
The sending e-mail address must be identical. One of the principles of NNTP is that only the sender (and the server operator, naturally) be permitted to cancel their own messages. Without seeing the NNTP conversation it would be impossible to diagnose why pan works but thunderbird doesn't. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-04-21 20:54, Jim Henderson wrote:
Without seeing the NNTP conversation it would be impossible to diagnose why pan works but thunderbird doesn't.
I cancelled a message, but I'm not using version 11, but 3.1 - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+TBf0ACgkQIvFNjefEBxo+YQCgzSsdLQAJrnggi/TDur1ENiLv CrQAnRGChwCL+Cg+Ll79+MS3wh/bVeFi =3wsJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 21/04/2012 20:54, Jim Henderson a écrit :
The sending e-mail address must be identical.
of course it is
Without seeing the NNTP conversation it would be impossible to diagnose why pan works but thunderbird doesn't.
peter jensen gave the solution on the next first message. cancel is not available as default in thunderbird (I wonder why?) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-04-22 09:10, jdd wrote:
peter jensen gave the solution on the next first message. cancel is not available as default in thunderbird (I wonder why?)
It is in mine - and I don't have the "news.allow_delete_with_no_undo" variable, so it must be a new "feature". - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+T4/UACgkQIvFNjefEBxoncgCgj3v/DfuEtPlMk5w6tS6EUaGA tn4AoLto2YoL4CHYZIQ0otHc/aOes80m =UMog -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 09:10:19 +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 21/04/2012 20:54, Jim Henderson a écrit :
The sending e-mail address must be identical.
of course it is
Then I must've missed where you actually told us that. :)
Without seeing the NNTP conversation it would be impossible to diagnose why pan works but thunderbird doesn't.
peter jensen gave the solution on the next first message. cancel is not available as default in thunderbird (I wonder why?)
Maybe because it's easy to abuse the functionality. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 22/04/2012 22:21, Jim Henderson a écrit :
available as default in thunderbird (I wonder why?)
Maybe because it's easy to abuse the functionality.
abuser are usually able to configure. default are for non technical users jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:46:38 +0200, jdd wrote:
Le 22/04/2012 22:21, Jim Henderson a écrit :
available as default in thunderbird (I wonder why?)
Maybe because it's easy to abuse the functionality.
abuser are usually able to configure. default are for non technical users
<shrug> Then perhaps you should ask the folks who make Thunderbird, unless the defaults there are different than what's distributed here. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 22/04/2012 23:46, Jim Henderson a écrit :
unless the defaults there are different than what's distributed here.
sorry my english is not good enough to understand this sentence :-( what I know is that the feature is recent (I cancelled post in thunderbird often in the past) and pan have it allowed as default, as any other soft I know of (but I didn't try recently other than thunderbird and pan) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2012-04-23 09:04, jdd wrote:
what I know is that the feature is recent (I cancelled post in thunderbird often in the past) and pan have it allowed as default, as any other soft I know of (but I didn't try recently other than thunderbird and pan)
Yes, it is recent. The version of thunderbird that is default in 11.4 (3.1.20) has the cancel option clearly in the menu, and it doesn't have the config option to enable/disable it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk+VPpgACgkQIvFNjefEBxpNpQCghwKMEOHJdurB4nS7VMkhlORK rh0AoNpc8cOQxmxpVmdwNbDJk/k5YdMm =NtGe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/04/2012 13:35, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
Yes, it is recent. The version of thunderbird that is default in 11.4 (3.1.20) has the cancel option clearly in the menu, and it doesn't have the config option to enable/disable it.
may be the option is better for corporate use jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:04:30 +0200, jdd wrote:
unless the defaults there are different than what's distributed here.
sorry my english is not good enough to understand this sentence :-(
"Unless the thunderbird defaults that Mozilla puts in place are different than the thunderbird defaults that are configured with the openSUSE build." Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Le 23/04/2012 20:22, Jim Henderson a écrit :
On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 09:04:30 +0200, jdd wrote:
unless the defaults there are different than what's distributed here.
sorry my english is not good enough to understand this sentence :-(
"Unless the thunderbird defaults that Mozilla puts in place are different than the thunderbird defaults that are configured with the openSUSE build."
Jim
ok... I don't know thanks clarifying jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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