charles@daphatbell.com wrote:

steve reilly writes:

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hi, Im using 10.2 as well, (gnome)and have the option to choose when i click logout.... then options are "logout", "shutdown", "restart" or suspend"....... then after i logout when on the "login" blue screen in the bottom left corner of the screen there are 2 options, "shutdown" and "restart". As far as I know these are the default settings, as i have not changed a thing on this install. you dont have any choices like this?

Sorry for the confusion. I was venting at the time. Although I'm more upset right now because I'm now recovering my XP installation. :-( I was referring to Mandriva distro that didn't have these options. Soon as I get my XP installation up and running again, I will be deleting the Linux partitions and reclaim the real estate. I keep trying to give Linux a chance and everytime I do, I usually regret it. Of all the distros, SuSe has come the closest thing that might make me ease away from Windows, but there's just too many things I'm into right now that I can't justify moving to Linux full time. I found that some avi's work, some don't. Then there's the mp3 thing unless you use Real POS (player) that program doesn't see the light of day on Windows, and it's the one SuSe chooses? At least on Windows there's Real Alternate Player. Small footprint and plays all RA/RM files. :-) Anyway, thanks for the reply.

My advice is to go to: http://www.mepis.org/ Download Beta4 of SimplyMEPIS-32 and all your troubles will be over. Download it at : ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/testing and select: SimplyMEPIS-CD_6.0-4-beta4_i386.iso ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/testing/SimplyMEPIS-CD_6... Burn the iso image using k3b in linux or in windows using nero. This is a live cd so you can run linux without installing on your hard drive. You can also install it on your hard drive. Don't give up on linux. jozien jozien -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

--- "Charles R. Buchanan" wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 23:58:11 -0500, Joe Zien took time to say the following:

(^_^)My advice is to go to: (^_^) (^_^) http://www.mepis.org/ (^_^) (^_^)Download Beta4 of SimplyMEPIS-32 and all your troubles will be over. (^_^) (^_^)Download it at : (^_^) (^_^)ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/testing (^_^) (^_^)and select: SimplyMEPIS-CD_6.0-4-beta4_i386.iso

(^_^)ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/mepis/testing/SimplyMEPIS-CD_6...

(^_^)Burn the iso image using k3b in linux or in windows (^_^)using nero. (^_^) (^_^)This is a live cd so you can run linux without installing on your hard (^_^)drive. (^_^)You can also install it on your hard drive. (^_^) (^_^)Don't give up on linux. (^_^) (^_^)jozien (^_^) (^_^)jozien

Thanks Joe. Sorry for the delay in replying. I'll dl it and I'll install it on my VM Server and take a look at it. In case some is wondering, yes, Suse 10.2 runs perfectly on VM, why shouldn't it? :-D

Charles Ironic you should mention SimplyMEPIS. When I could not get my SuSE 10.2 to boot - and the install DVD seems to have a problem too ... I pulled out that HD and put back in my SM6.0 HD... that is how I am back online without delay. SM is the distro that finally convinced me that linux can work on the desktop without a lot of hassle. I have been going back to SuSE each time there is a new release since 8.x. When I get some free time I will put the SuSE HD back and try to fix it - or reinstall for the Nth. (At least I have been able to get it to install, finally.) sw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 29 January 2007 08:17, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:

time/situation comes up, although I very much doubt I will be fooling around with Mandriva anytime soon. Maybe it's their way of making people buy the non-free version?

I missed how Mandriva came into this conversation, but it caught my attention because I just installed Mandriva 2007 powerpack. It's very nice, definitely worth a look. Probably the most interesting feature I noticed was the inclusion of LinDVD, the licensed DVD player! It's by Intervideo, the same company that produces WinDVD. Imagine my stunned disappointment when it failed to run, seemingly because of a programming error. The error message referred to an error on a certain line number. How in the world could Mandriva include a totally broken application in the distro? And it's an application that probably receives the most attention from users! So it was off to the PLF repositories for the usual codecs, etc. and good old mplayer, which worked fine. I plan to use Mandriva for a while to get a better idea what it is like in actual usage. Sadly, my test of Suse 10.2 only lasted a few days. Overall I thought it was nice, but I just could not tolerate the slowness of the package management system. Times of 30 minutes were not unusual just to add 1 new program (in my case). Every time it goes through this endless process of scanning each repository before I can even do anything. I have to go away and do something else while waiting for it to be ready to search for a new program! In Kubuntu the average time (in my case) is 5 minutes. Package management is so fundamental, I think it does not matter how nice the rest of the distro is if its package system is not well-designed. Bryan *************************************** Powered by Kubuntu Linux 6.06 KDE 3.5.2 KMail 1.9.1 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net *************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

russbucket wrote:

On Monday January 29 2007 18:28, Bryan S. Tyson wrote: <snip>

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Sadly, my test of Suse 10.2 only lasted a few days. Overall I thought it was nice, but I just could not tolerate the slowness of the package management system. Times of 30 minutes were not unusual just to add 1 new program (in my case). Every time it goes through this endless process of scanning each repository before I can even do anything. I have to go away and do something else while waiting for it to be ready to search for a new program! In Kubuntu the average time (in my case) is 5 minutes.

Package management is so fundamental, I think it does not matter how nice the rest of the distro is if its package system is not well-designed.

Bryan

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I have to agree with you about the slowness of the zmd package manager. It takes 30-60minutes to update a couple of packages. If I go in YaST and update it much faster, (same update servers in both). I noticed in YaST --> sysconfig you can make the YaST updater the default. I have not tried that yet, did you? when I update YaST I get an error everytime it tries to sync with zmd. I post a message on that earlier today. I read somewhere you can disable the zmd updater but that appears to be counter to the way SUSE is headed.I'm going to look for it again and see if it works.

My system is a 866MHZ PIII with 768MB memory and 250GB Disk for Linux and 80GB for XP which a rarely use. Worked fast with 10.0.

This pretty well details my experience. Sometimes the updater gets to 99% and the ORB goes out and the screen with the 99% stays forever, although the update completed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday January 30 2007 00:34, Will Stephenson wrote:

On Tuesday 30 January 2007 04:26, russbucket wrote:

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with zmd. I post a message on that earlier today. I read somewhere you can disable the zmd updater but that appears to be counter to the way SUSE is headed.I'm going to look for it again and see if it works.

You can remove the Zenworks Package Management pattern and replace with the openSUSE Package Management pattern in Software Management. You don't need zmd etc unless you have a Zenworks setup somewhere in your network.

cheers

Will

-- Will Stephenson Yes I saw that but was afraid I'd screw something up. I try it later today and see what happens. -- Russ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Bryan S. Tyson wrote:

Sadly, my test of Suse 10.2 only lasted a few days. Overall I thought it was nice, but I just could not tolerate the slowness of the package management system.

time ago, when I tried, mandriva system was also very slow jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Votez pour nous, merci - vote for us, thanks :-) http://musique.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/Magic-Alliance/ http://photo.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/jddphoto/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Charles R. Buchanan wrote:

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:31:35 +0100, jdd took time to say the following:

My experience has been totally opposite. Don't ask me why! :-) When I did have Mandriva installed, the response, scrolling and operations were almost Windows like.

So, it was really crappy then. crashing a lot?

For some reason, SuSe responds like Windows XP running on a 386 with 32mb of ram! :-O But that's another problem for another day. :-)

Get rid of beagle and zmd, and 10.2 should be pretty responsive, assuming your hardware is OK (dma not disabled, sufficient RAM, etc) Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 30 January 2007 3:31 am, jdd wrote:

time ago, when I tried, mandriva system was also very slow

Compared to Kubuntu (using apt or synaptic) it is slower, but still tolerable. Compared to Suse it flies. Bryan **************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 6.0 KDE 3.5.3 KMail 1.9.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 21:28:16 -0500, "Bryan S. Tyson" took time to say the following: (^_^)On Monday 29 January 2007 08:17, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: (^_^)> time/situation comes up, although I very much doubt I will be fooling (^_^)> around with Mandriva anytime soon. Maybe it's their way of making people (^_^)> buy the non-free version? (^_^) (^_^)I missed how Mandriva came into this conversation, but it caught my attention (^_^)because I just installed Mandriva 2007 powerpack. It's very nice, definitely (^_^)worth a look. It came up because in the process of figuring out why I was having problems with SuSe, I had installed Mandriva and while it did install (along with the bootloader) it didn't have a shutdown function that was not readily available for newbies like me! :-) Even at the login screen, you could only log in, you couldn't reboot or shutdown, although the permissions were set to allow it. <shrug> Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 01:18:36 -0500, "Bryan S. Tyson" took time to say the following: (^_^)On Thursday 01 February 2007 21:57, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: (^_^)> I had installed Mandriva and while it did install (^_^)> (along with the bootloader) it didn't have a shutdown function that was (^_^)> not readily available for newbies like me! :-) Even at the login screen, (^_^)> you could only log in, you couldn't reboot or shutdown, although the (^_^)> permissions were set to allow it. (^_^) (^_^)Charles, (^_^) (^_^)There is a menu icon you can click at the bottom of the Mandriva login screen (^_^)to get these choices. (^_^) (^_^)Bryan You know, I thought maybe there was a mapping problem or the icons didn't install right, so I actually clicked all over the place and it was a no go! :-( Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 08:58:56 +0000, Fergus Wilde took time to say the following: (^_^)I doubt it - probably just an oversight of sorts. A lot of this is personal (^_^)taste and what one is used to, but the fact is that a great deal can be (^_^)achieved very quickly from the command line that can take a great deal of (^_^)searching out and replicating in a point-and-click environment. I'm a rank (^_^)amateur, not a professional, but I have still found that a few minutes (^_^)looking at shell commands can save hours of messing about in graphical file (^_^)managers etc. If I was denied the use of Linux or other Unices, and had to (^_^)buy a commercial OS I would most certainly take Mac OS-X over any of the (^_^)Redmond products, though much of the Mac's advantage comes from the fact that (^_^)it is firmly based on BSD Unix underneath the graphical hood. (^_^) (^_^)Good luck figuring it all out. Personally I found that the time spent learning (^_^)what I needed to know to get all the things I wanted to do under Linux was (^_^)time enormously well spent, but we're all different ... (^_^)Best (^_^)Fergus What is strange though is when it was Mandrake, it didn't have these problems. I would love to get back into a Mac actually. :-) Thanks! Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org