Banshee and MP3 support in OSS
In regards to Novell Linux Desktop, I found this statement: "Novell has developed its own MP3 player software, Banshee, for which it has licensed the patents. The software will be available under an open-source license, but not the GPL" I believe it is under the MIT license. Does this mean that for SUSE Linux we get MP3 support on the first 5 OSS CDs without using the 6th closed-source CD? Is the 6th CD non-GPL or non-OSS? Peter 'Pflodo' Flodin
Am Dienstag, 7. Februar 2006 23:42 schrieb Peter Flodin:
In regards to Novell Linux Desktop, I found this statement: "Novell has developed its own MP3 player software, Banshee, for which it has licensed the patents. The software will be available under an open-source license, but not the GPL"
I believe it is under the MIT license.
Does this mean that for SUSE Linux we get MP3 support on the first 5 OSS CDs without using the 6th closed-source CD?
Is the 6th CD non-GPL or non-OSS?
"novell linux desktop" != "SuSE Linux" bye, MH -- gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:21:40AM +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag, 7. Februar 2006 23:42 schrieb Peter Flodin:
In regards to Novell Linux Desktop, I found this statement: "Novell has developed its own MP3 player software, Banshee, for which it has licensed the patents. The software will be available under an open-source license, but not the GPL"
I believe it is under the MIT license.
Does this mean that for SUSE Linux we get MP3 support on the first 5 OSS CDs without using the 6th closed-source CD?
Is the 6th CD non-GPL or non-OSS?
"novell linux desktop" != "SuSE Linux"
OK. Different question: Can banshee be included in SUSE Linux so we get MP3 support. If not, why not? houghi -- If everything is coming your way then you're in the wrong lane.
On 2/8/06, houghi
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:21:40AM +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag, 7. Februar 2006 23:42 schrieb Peter Flodin:
In regards to Novell Linux Desktop, I found this statement: "Novell has developed its own MP3 player software, Banshee, for which it has licensed the patents. The software will be available under an open-source license, but not the GPL" "novell linux desktop" != "SuSE Linux"
OK. Different question: Can banshee be included in SUSE Linux so we get MP3 support. If not, why not?
Thank you houghi, at least someone understands me. The question is just not SUSE Linux but the edition formely known as SUSE Linux OSS. If not why not? Peter "Pflodo" Flodin
houghi
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:21:40AM +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:
Am Dienstag, 7. Februar 2006 23:42 schrieb Peter Flodin:
In regards to Novell Linux Desktop, I found this statement: "Novell has developed its own MP3 player software, Banshee, for which it has licensed the patents. The software will be available under an open-source license, but not the GPL"
I believe it is under the MIT license.
Does this mean that for SUSE Linux we get MP3 support on the first 5 OSS CDs without using the 6th closed-source CD?
Is the 6th CD non-GPL or non-OSS?
"novell linux desktop" != "SuSE Linux"
OK. Different question: Can banshee be included in SUSE Linux so we get MP3 support. If not, why not?
banshee is part of SUSE Linux - and the banshee-helix backend is there as well (in the extra tree). Btw. amarok handles mp3 the same way as banshee does, so you can use it as well. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
OK. Different question: Can banshee be included in SUSE Linux so we get MP3 support. If not, why not?
1) Banshee is included, and the latest versions are always available in usr-local-bin 2) I'm pretty sure that if you use the Helix backend you can get MP3 support 3) MP3 is evil. Use Ogg Vorbis. :) -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org Packages for SUSE: http://usr-local-bin.org/rpms Make Poverty History: http://makepovertyhistory.org
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 07:00:29AM +0000, James Ogley wrote:
3) MP3 is evil. Use Ogg Vorbis.
Buy me a new car radio that does Oggand I will convert all my MP3s to Ogg. ;-) houghi -- "A power so great, it can only be used for Good or Evil!" -- Firesign Theatre, "The Giant Rat of Summatra"
Am Wed, 8. February 2006 08:14 schrieb houghi:
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 07:00:29AM +0000, James Ogley wrote:
3) MP3 is evil. Use Ogg Vorbis.
Buy me a new car radio that does Oggand I will convert all my MP3s to Ogg. ;-)
That, BTW, is an increasing problem. It seems that more and more vendors don't support ogg anymore. If you have a look on (MS-Audi/Video) DRM format capable devices all of them are not ogg capable anymore. It seems that there is an interest (from whoom might be interesting to know/prove) to push DRM capable devices into the market and IMHO this will result to a total disapearance of ogg players. bye, Thomas
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:40:33PM +0100, email.listen@googlemail.com wrote:
It seems that there is an interest (from whoom might be interesting to know/prove) to push DRM capable devices into the market and IMHO this will result to a total disapearance of ogg players.
This time it is not (only) Microsoft. Sony and sorts have both shares in the market of the playes as in the market of the music itself. :-( Oh well. There are ways to build your own car audio system. I remember that the first ones were running Linux. Compiling the kernel while listening to a ogg that reads out libdvdcss to you. How cool is that. :-) houghi -- If you can't learn to do it well, learn to enjoy doing it badly.
Am Wed, 8. February 2006 13:00 schrieb houghi:
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:40:33PM +0100, email.listen@googlemail.com wrote:
It seems that there is an interest (from whoom might be interesting to know/prove) to push DRM capable devices into the market and IMHO this will result to a total disapearance of ogg players.
This time it is not (only) Microsoft. Sony and sorts have both shares in the market of the playes as in the market of the music itself. :-( You're right. I recognised this first when I saw that all wmv-drm capable devices don't support ogg anymore.
I would like to know if there are contracts between hardware manufacturers and license giving companies which ban all non drm aware formats. There have been such contracts in the past between MS and harware vendors which only allowed them to use MS-OS's if they want to have OEM-Versions of MS-$foo.
Oh well. There are ways to build your own car audio system. I remember that the first ones were running Linux. Compiling the kernel while listening to a ogg that reads out libdvdcss to you. How cool is that. :-)
Hhm, but this is no help to establish ogg (and theora) to a wider (or is it broader, sry my rotten english) audience, I don't think that a hanfull of enthusiastic homemade-audio-device factories will be able to solve this problem. I would say that building your own audio system is not what we can expect from a day to day user... So in the end we have to face that ogg and other free formats will not become popular or even will get noticed at all in the future. regards, Thomas
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 01:38:50PM +0100, email.listen@googlemail.com wrote:
I would like to know if there are contracts between hardware manufacturers and license giving companies which ban all non drm aware formats. There have been such contracts in the past between MS and harware vendors which only allowed them to use MS-OS's if they want to have OEM-Versions of MS-$foo.
There will most certainly be contracts. If Company A wants to use the DRM from comapny B, they will sign a contract. I can imagine that these are in some way different as they might be negotiable per album, per artist or per whatever. Perhaps they sign a excusive contract as to not have a different DRM from another company, but as there is no monopoly on DRM this is a different issue then what M$ did. What we need to do is to think how, not if, we are going to deal with this. houghi -- When I said "we", officer, I was referring to myself, the four young ladies, and, of course, the goat.
What we need to do is to think how, not if, we are going to deal with
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We need to crack the codes fast. So that they in effect become redundant and useless as a means to exert control over us the consumers. Where are you DRM-Jon? -- Kenneth Aar
On Wednesday 08 February 2006 11:40, email.listen@googlemail.com wrote:
It seems that more and more vendors don't support ogg anymore. If you have a look on (MS-Audi/Video) DRM format capable devices all of them are not ogg capable anymore.
Then don't buy them, doh! Support manufacturers like Cowon (http://eng.iaudio.com), who make excellent products, advertise Linux compatibility, and support ogg. Every time you buy a DRM device that does not support ogg you are sending a message to manufacturers that they can get away with pushing this sort of dumb product. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 01:01:14PM +0000, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
Then don't buy them, doh! Support manufacturers like Cowon (http://eng.iaudio.com), who make excellent products, advertise Linux compatibility, and support ogg. Every time you buy a DRM device that does not support ogg you are sending a message to manufacturers that they can get away with pushing this sort of dumb product.
When I bought my car radio (3 years ago, together with my car) I was not able to find any carradio with a reasonable price that was able to support ogg. :-( houghi -- Fie for shame, you lascivious, lewd, lecherous, libidinous, lustful, licentious, dirty bum!!
On Wednesday 08 February 2006 15:01, Kevin Donnelly wrote:
Then don't buy them, doh! Support manufacturers like Cowon
Lucky us that we have the Chinese (a freedom loving nation) to save us from the DRM-crap the US is pushing lately. Isn't it ironic. http://www.neurosaudio.com
On Wednesday 08 February 2006 15:43, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
Neuros is not Chinese (as it might have been misunderstood from my mail).
On Wednesday 08 February 2006 13:48, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
On Wednesday 08 February 2006 15:43, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
Neuros is not Chinese (as it might have been misunderstood from my mail).
Hehe. And I don't think Cowon is either - they're Korean. -- Pob hwyl / Best wishes Kevin Donnelly www.kyfieithu.co.uk - KDE yn Gymraeg www.rhedadur.org.uk - Rhedeg berfau Cymraeg www.cymrux.org.uk - Linux Cymraeg ar un CD
Hi, ,------ | > Then don't buy them, doh! Support manufacturers like Cowon | > (http://eng.iaudio.com), who make excellent products, advertise | > Linux compatibility, and support ogg. Every time you buy a DRM | > device that does not support ogg you are sending a message to | > manufacturers that they can get away with pushing this sort of | > dumb product. `------ Seconded, also excellent products from EZ-AV and Monolith
Peter Flodin
In regards to Novell Linux Desktop, I found this statement: "Novell has developed its own MP3 player software, Banshee, for which it has licensed the patents. The software will be available under an open-source license, but not the GPL"
I believe it is under the MIT license.
Does this mean that for SUSE Linux we get MP3 support on the first 5 OSS CDs without using the 6th closed-source CD?
No - you need the banshee-helix backend which will be on the later CD and is already in the FACTORY-E tree.
Is the 6th CD non-GPL or non-OSS?
It's non-OSS. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 09:42:08AM +1100, Peter Flodin wrote:
In regards to Novell Linux Desktop, I found this statement: "Novell has developed its own MP3 player software, Banshee, for which it has licensed the patents. The software will be available under an open-source license, but not the GPL"
What it does not mention is that it facilitates helix / realplayer plugins and requires the commercial RealPlayer to work, which cannot be on the OSS part of SUSE Linux. Ciao, Marcus
On 2/8/06, Marcus Meissner
On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 09:42:08AM +1100, Peter Flodin wrote:
In regards to Novell Linux Desktop, I found this statement: "Novell has developed its own MP3 player software, Banshee, for which it has licensed the patents. The software will be available under an open-source license, but not the GPL"
What it does not mention is that it facilitates helix / realplayer plugins and requires the commercial RealPlayer to work, which cannot be on the OSS part of SUSE Linux.
Ciao, Marcus
Ok, so it is a case of, nothing really new here, please move along....:-) It sounded new, but that is marketing for you....
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