I'm fairly new to Linux and was wondering about how far down in the software layers the difference between SLSE and SL Pro run. Do they both use the same kernel? Do they both use the same Borne shell? Is it just the additional layers on top of those for supporting server functionality that makes up the difference between them? Thanks, Greg Wallace
On Saturday 05 June 2004 23:04, Greg Wallace wrote:
I'm fairly new to Linux and was wondering about how far down in the software layers the difference between SLSE and SL Pro run. Do they both use the same kernel? Do they both use the same Borne shell? Is it just the additional layers on top of those for supporting server functionality that makes up the difference between them?
Thanks, Greg Wallace The short answer is... don't waste your time w/the Personal version. Get Pro. I got Personal twice, was disappointed (didn't learn the first time... <G>). -- ...CH SuSE 9 Works Linux user# 313696 Linux box# 199365
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:18:45 -0500, "C Hamel"
On Saturday 05 June 2004 23:04, Greg Wallace wrote:
I'm fairly new to Linux and was wondering about how far down in the software layers the difference between SLSE and SL Pro run. Do they both use the same kernel? Do they both use the same Borne shell? Is it just the additional layers on top of those for supporting server functionality that makes up the difference between them?
As the suse team says, ":Dont get mad, get moving", start using linux for your regular daily use, download what suits you the best. Description in short is as follows. SLES - For servers, SLD - For Enterprise desktop. SLPro - Everything is possible here, but it is the always the latest stuff and ahead of all other products. Usually has some very small bugs, but also packs with a huge list of features over any other linux distribution. SLPersonal - For home use, no servers included. The technical specs will be similar for each version, so SLPro 8 and SLES 8, will have similar versions of the kernel (may differ slightly). I would also add that if you are not sure what you need then go with Professional, get it, and stop wondering what kernel or what bash it is using, just get moving with your actual work. This does not mean that you dont have a hack value with SuSE, but it is so easy to use that you dont need to hack, but if you want to hack into the internals it packs a number os softwares (maynot be available on all other distros) which you may love to hack. Hope this helps. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own
Thanks for the feedback and insight.
Greg
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From: Amish Munshi [mailto:amish_munshi@fastmail.fm]
Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 8:23 PM
To: C Hamel; SuSe Linux English
Subject: Re: [SLE] SLES vs SL Pro
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:18:45 -0500, "C Hamel"
On Saturday 05 June 2004 23:04, Greg Wallace wrote:
I'm fairly new to Linux and was wondering about how far down in the software layers the difference between SLSE and SL Pro run. Do they both use the same kernel? Do they both use the same Borne shell? Is it just the additional layers on top of those for supporting server functionality that makes up the difference between them?
As the suse team says, ":Dont get mad, get moving", start using linux for your regular daily use, download what suits you the best. Description in short is as follows. SLES - For servers, SLD - For Enterprise desktop. SLPro - Everything is possible here, but it is the always the latest stuff and ahead of all other products. Usually has some very small bugs, but also packs with a huge list of features over any other linux distribution. SLPersonal - For home use, no servers included. The technical specs will be similar for each version, so SLPro 8 and SLES 8, will have similar versions of the kernel (may differ slightly). I would also add that if you are not sure what you need then go with Professional, get it, and stop wondering what kernel or what bash it is using, just get moving with your actual work. This does not mean that you dont have a hack value with SuSE, but it is so easy to use that you dont need to hack, but if you want to hack into the internals it packs a number os softwares (maynot be available on all other distros) which you may love to hack. Hope this helps. -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own -- Check the headers for your unsubscription address For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com Also check the archives at http://lists.suse.com Please read the FAQs: suse-linux-e-faq@suse.com
On Sunday 06 June 2004 13:48, C Hamel wrote:
The short answer is... don't waste your time w/the Personal version. Get Pro. I got Personal twice, was disappointed (didn't learn the first time... <G>).
Of course that depends on what you use your machines for. For example, if you only use your machines at home or in an office as personal workstations, then 9.1 Personal is perfectly adequate. If you want to network your machines, you will need to download nfs-server from an FTP site, but that's hardly onerous. I think SuSE got the versions right, and I think the Personal version is very good as long as you are happy using KDE. Steve
On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 23:15, Steve Reynolds wrote:
On Sunday 06 June 2004 13:48, C Hamel wrote:
The short answer is... don't waste your time w/the Personal version. Get Pro. I got Personal twice, was disappointed (didn't learn the first time... <G>).
Of course that depends on what you use your machines for. For example, if you only use your machines at home or in an office as personal workstations, then 9.1 Personal is perfectly adequate. If you want to network your machines, you will need to download nfs-server from an FTP site, but that's hardly onerous.
I think SuSE got the versions right, and I think the Personal version is very good as long as you are happy using KDE.
Yeah. If you have a machine that's never ever going to need anything other than QT-based binaries on it, go with Personal. Otherwise, go with Pro. I've done the personal thing once. It was a disaster. I couldn't install anything from source, of course, and then just imagine the process of downloading every devel library, compiler, etc. required to do a compilation of something as simple as lame. Not worth the trouble, in my book. With Pro I have everything on one DVD and THEN when I've installed I take and copy that DVD onto my hard drive, something like /opt/SuSEDVD/ and then change my install sources and then I never have to pop in a DVD or CD ever again, much less monkey around with trying to find the right libraries that should have been included later. I say buy Pro and then just buy it less often. I'd rather buy Pro and stick with it for a year and a half (the typical time it would take to buy say 3 different versions of Personal) than to keep buying Personal. Preston
Hi, On Sunday 06 June 2004 17:36, Preston Crawford wrote:
On Sat, 2004-06-05 at 23:15, Steve Reynolds wrote:
On Sunday 06 June 2004 13:48, C Hamel wrote:
The short answer is... don't waste your time w/the Personal version. Get Pro. I got Personal twice, was disappointed (didn't learn the first time... <G>).
Of course that depends on what you use your machines for. For example, if you only use your machines at home or in an office as personal workstations, then 9.1 Personal is perfectly adequate. If you want to network your machines, you will need to download nfs-server from an FTP site, but that's hardly onerous.
I think SuSE got the versions right, and I think the Personal version is very good as long as you are happy using KDE.
Yeah. If you have a machine that's never ever going to need anything other than QT-based binaries on it, go with Personal. Otherwise, go with Pro.
I'm afraid you all missed the point: the original poster wasn't asking about Personal vs. Professional but rather about SLES (SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server) vs. SUSE LINUX Professional. In other words he wanted to know what the differences (specifically in comparing the code basis) between the home user and the enterprise products are. To answer this (only shortly): the important aspects are not (so much) the differences in the code basis but the differences in the way these products are maintained over the live cycle of the product. The business products are promising certification to a variety of 3rd party applications such as Oracle, DB2 or SAP. During the 5 years live cycle (home user product in comparison only has 2 years live cycle) those certifications will be kept with the necessary updates. The home user version *might* work with a given 3rd party application. And then it might not. It will not be certified or tested by 3rd party partners before release. Any update during the livecycle of the home user product *might* break something with respect to 3rd party apps since it will not be tested against them. And if this happens, we won't care ;-) Greetings from Bremen hartmut
On Sunday 06 June 2004 12:44, Hartmut Meyer wrote:
Hi,
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I'm afraid you all missed the point: the original poster wasn't asking about Personal vs. Professional but rather about SLES (SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server) vs. SUSE LINUX Professional.
<SNIP> Yep... I plead guilty. Must've read to fast. :-\ Sorry... -- ...CH SuSE 9 Works Linux user# 313696 Linux box# 199365
On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 10:44, Hartmut Meyer wrote:
I'm afraid you all missed the point: the original poster wasn't asking about Personal vs. Professional but rather about SLES (SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server) vs. SUSE LINUX Professional.
I didn't miss the point. I was simply responding to someone else's assertion Personal is "very good". I don't think it is. Preston
* Preston Crawford
On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 10:44, Hartmut Meyer wrote:
I'm afraid you all missed the point: the original poster wasn't asking about Personal vs. Professional but rather about SLES (SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server) vs. SUSE LINUX Professional.
I didn't miss the point. I was simply responding to someone else's assertion Personal is "very good". I don't think it is.
But in a forum for discussion and assistance of technical problems, not opinions. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/photos
Not really happy with the answers do far... IMHO... SLES is certified. That is very important when you want to get support from oracle, IBM or something like that... SLES is designed for Enterprise database servers, Application servers, etc. The updates are more selective and the software is generally older versions (to garuntee stability). SLES is what the Tax Dept. of Nicaragua, and El Salvador use to run thier main stream apps (for example). The pro is as close to the cutting edge new developement / new features as you want to get, (There is some discussion that 9.1 is too close to the edge!). Here the emphasis is on getting the newest soonest, with a reasonable amount of stability. This is what I use for daily work, since I want / need the newest patches for MSN messenger, want the lastest enhancements to Open Office, and Samba 3.0 features, USB haddisk support, USB camera, Firewire Video DV interface, etc. (Theese things are not as important in the SLES Enterpirse server, and you don't really eant them on your servers!). I build SOHO servers with Profesional, but am waiting to update them to 9.1 for it to become more stable... I've never bought/used/seen the Personal. The samving of some 50$ does not seam to be worth the missing manual, never mind the missing flexability... That's my humble Opinion... Jerry On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 06:04, Greg Wallace wrote:
I'm fairly new to Linux and was wondering about how far down in the software layers the difference between SLSE and SL Pro run. Do they both use the same kernel? Do they both use the same Borne shell? Is it just the additional layers on top of those for supporting server functionality that makes up the difference between them?
Thanks, Greg Wallace
Thanks for the info. I've been using Pro for a while, but I have lately been wondering if I should have installed SLES instead. The main reason is some of the comments I've seen in the suse_oracle mailing list about Oracle problems with the 9.x releases. That had me wondering whether Oracle was getting short shrift on the Pro side and that maybe I'd have to stay at an older version (and maybe have to switch to SLES). From what you and others are saying, it's just a matter of early version glitches that get ironed out over time. So maybe (as other's have advised), I just need to stay a version behind to allow for all of these glitches to get resolved. Then I could install the next version and immediately download and apply all of the patches before cranking up Oracle. I don't mind being a little behind in getting all of the new SuSE capabilities in order to get a more stable platform, as long as I know that stable platform is not to far around the corner. Thanks, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Jerome R. Westrick [mailto:jerry@westrick.com] Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:41 AM To: Suse Users Subject: Re: [SLE] SLES vs SL Pro Not really happy with the answers do far... IMHO... SLES is certified. That is very important when you want to get support from oracle, IBM or something like that... SLES is designed for Enterprise database servers, Application servers, etc. The updates are more selective and the software is generally older versions (to garuntee stability). SLES is what the Tax Dept. of Nicaragua, and El Salvador use to run thier main stream apps (for example). The pro is as close to the cutting edge new developement / new features as you want to get, (There is some discussion that 9.1 is too close to the edge!). Here the emphasis is on getting the newest soonest, with a reasonable amount of stability. This is what I use for daily work, since I want / need the newest patches for MSN messenger, want the lastest enhancements to Open Office, and Samba 3.0 features, USB haddisk support, USB camera, Firewire Video DV interface, etc. (Theese things are not as important in the SLES Enterpirse server, and you don't really eant them on your servers!). I build SOHO servers with Profesional, but am waiting to update them to 9.1 for it to become more stable... I've never bought/used/seen the Personal. The samving of some 50$ does not seam to be worth the missing manual, never mind the missing flexability... That's my humble Opinion... Jerry On Sun, 2004-06-06 at 06:04, Greg Wallace wrote:
I'm fairly new to Linux and was wondering about how far down in the software layers the difference between SLSE and SL Pro run. Do they both use the same kernel? Do they both use the same Borne shell? Is it just the additional layers on top of those for supporting server functionality that makes up the difference between them?
Thanks, Greg Wallace
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