Of course... as usual... but I was thinking about the package, not the ftp install :) Daniel John Pettigrew wrote:

In a previous message, Daniel Secareanu wrote:

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John wrote:

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Will the SUSE 9.1 Pro be free?

Nope :) not at all... On the contrary, will be with approx 20 usd more expensive :)) Daniel PS Check SuSE's site for details...

Although I assume that it will be available for free download by ftp, as usual.

John

In a previous message, "Markku Korpela" wrote:

can i copy my SuSE 9.0 Pro cd:s to my friends.... i mean is it legal to copy that package?

AIUI, you can copy the CDs and give them away. What you can't do is sell them. IANAL and nor am I a SUSE representative, so check if you're worried. John -- John Pettigrew Headstrong Games john@headstrong-games.co.uk Fun : Strategy : Price http://www.headstrong-games.co.uk/ Board games that won't break the bank Knossos: escape the ever-changing labyrinth before the Minotaur catches you!

OTOH YaST is supposed to to GPL now, AFAIK

Yes, but it's also because of all the commercial software licensed to SuSE on the CDs that you can't sell copies. Also, remember, that YaST as it appears in SuSE 9.0 is /not/ GPL, a (as yet unspecified IIRC) future version of YaST will have it's license changed to the GPL. -- James Ogley, Webmaster, Rubber Turnip james@rubberturnip.org.uk http://www.rubberturnip.org.uk Jabber: riggwelter@myjabber.net Using Free Software since 1994, running GNU/Linux (SuSE 9.0) GNOME updates for SuSE: http://www.usr-local-bin.org

Subject: Re: [SLE] Re: SusE 9.1 Pro FREE??

Why there is not any ISO to download and store it in my CDs?

Because it's not SuSE's policy to release ISO's? Ask them.. Anders.

On Thursday 01 April 2004 10:47 am, John Pettigrew wrote:

It's swings and roundabouts, and no doubt the decision is made on commercial grounds (SUSE would rather you bought the CDs :-)

My apologies if this should be moved to the OT group. SuSE is in the business of making money as you say. I have bought the last four Pro Editions for my only home computer. I believe they provide enough value added and are reasonably good at security patches that they deserve my dollars and I support what they are doing so I do so with my wallet. If I was being really good, I would buy the upgrade from SuSE as I assume they get more of the $$s for that than me buying the distribution from Amazon. My only criticism of SuSE is I think their non-installation support sucks but they don't get to charge for it so i understand. It is on par with all other vendors and not worse. I ** STILL ** think it is VERY broken that SLP 9.0 has core dumps disabled and SuSE hasn't addressed this issue in SLP 9.0. If 9.1 is broken this way, I won't upgrade until 9.2 or I'll do an ftp upgrade. SuSE like Redhat, is probably most profitable in Enterprise versions than with the home user such as myself though they look at that as an avenue to Enterprise sales. They are right. I would recommend SuSE for any *IX deployment. Novell buying SuSE has been a very good thing all and all. Anyway, I think SuSE is right to not provide ISO images. Just my $0.02 or maybe $0.04. Best Regards. -- _/_/_/ Bob Pearson gottadoit@mailsnare.net _/_/_/ "You're crazy. All of you. It comes from living at the _/_/_/ bottom of a gravity well. The gravity pulls the blood _/_/_/ from your brains." - Larry Niven in "Protector".

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 01 April 2004 09:47, John Pettigrew wrote:

In a previous message, "John" wrote:

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Why there is not any ISO to download and store it in my CDs?

Because SUSE don't do that.

FTP has the advantage that you only have to download the bits you need - with an ISO you have to download everything, whether you want it or not. However, FTP also means you have to have net access on the machine you want to install on. It's swings and roundabouts, and no doubt the decision is made on commercial grounds (SUSE would rather you bought the CDs :-)

John Also, if your time is worth anything, you'll want to purchase the CDs. Take it from someone who tried roughly eight FTP installations & had six of them bomb part way through. Not worth it.

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*** Reply to message from James Knott on Thu, 01 Apr 2004 17:22:26 -0500***

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On the contrary, will be with approx 20 usd more expensive :))

well, teh last update or trial balloon of digital river had teh home box w/ live eval and everything else I think on one disk ( this is from memory and I've got a head cold to go w/ my migraine so I might not be 100% right, it would be 30$US for thaat version and teh Pro version which had all teh usual goodies except a live eval .... will be $89 US if they had the price right or we are picking up the dif from the home user, (G) OTH they didn't show anything about an upgrade or other usual things.. it wasn't a ready page and shouldn't hve been up live on the web. There was a live link to "pre order, I got out my Credit card and was ready to go , clicked on the add to basket... and that was it... no place to go further... Never ever turn away a customer willing to had you money right at that moment... bad form. They need to lose Digital River, they are not performing well at all, And these are the guy who caused problems last time round by , seemingly having built the site on IE only... none of the LInux browsers could see or do anything , like purchase... I htought I'd really messed up somewhere, sent a rocket up to Chris ( Come back , all is forgiven, honest! (G) ) HE got onto someone else from suse who said nope there was something really bizzarre happening.. they finally fixed it... but , as I've said to everyone I've emailed about that last triumph, get out my CC and cant buy it??? Why? Pre order means you pay and wait, right? I mean, "pre" used to mean before... rather than "I'll order it this evening and it'sll be here tomorrow, if I'm willing to pay the frieght charges" Besides It shouldn't have been a surprise that there would be another release in 6 months ... and they aren't that new to the biz that they should have been caught screwing up like this, imagine someone who has heard all these good things about linux, and especialy Suse.. and gee whiz, there's a cd in the box you can run it from w/o having to do anything at all to windows ( you just can't use your cd, but that's a little thing in the begining...) $30 wow, I'll get it and try it, my friends have it.. and when they find out how easy it is to use... they will do first a dual install and eventually decide that windows is taking up space they could use for something more important.... another one bites the dust! That is unbelievalbey cheap price for folks looking for an OS, windows upgrades are still way over 100$us, and they insist on all sorts of validation... THe new Cylon in the family had XP on it... and wouldn't let my husband even look at the desktop until he'd agreed to a Eula that couldn't actually be read! Pretty nifty trick.. but , since we knew it wasn't long for the bin, he agreeded, and once on the desktop had a horrified look and couldn't find out how to close the damned thing... Easy to get into and hard to get off... sums up the whole ooh ten minutes of life it had... Still can't et teh "helmet" to have a red light go back and forth when it talks but..... it does have cylon intro and exit now... guess I'll have to get the spfx guys to do the helmet light... hehe -- j -- nemo me impune lacessit it's just an afterthought; okay ? : Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial.

Jim Westbrook wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "John" To: "Suse" Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 08:27 Subject: [SLE] SusE 9.1 Pro FREE??

Will the SUSE 9.1 Pro be free?

Obviously, an April Fools gambit.

JimW

Doesn't count for April Fools if it was done after noon, which it was :-) Dave.