[opensuse] Fond farewell to SuSE

Jerry Feldman

2 Aug 2008 2 Aug '08

14:33

I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system. -- -- Jerry Feldman Boston Linux and Unix PGP key id: 537C5846 PGP Key fingerprint: 3D1B 8377 A3C0 A5F2 ECBB CA3B 4607 4319 537C 5846

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John Andersen

2 Aug 2 Aug

17:51

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system.

Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report: Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed. Everything worked out of the box. Everything. No dicking around with repositories, no fighting video drivers, no manually loading WIFI drivers, music played perfectly, DVDs played perfectly, if found my local windows network, found my HpPrinter/scanner/fax and printed scanned and faxed perfectly thru it. The DVD burner software worked. The automatic update software found, reported, and installed updates. Everything, even non-core features worked. *cough*. Even the Fingerprint reader worked. There was at least 30 hours of work that would have been beyond the capability of the machines owner (wife) that was completely avoided by ordering Linux pre-installed. Too bad it couldn't have been Opensuse, but Ubuntu will do for her needs. -- ----------JSA--------- There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that can read binary and those that can't. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Tony Alfrey

18:18

John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system.

Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report:

Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

From whom did you buy this box? What model of XPS? -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

20:11

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Alfrey wrote:

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John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system.

Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report:

Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

From whom did you buy this box? What model of XPS?

Directly from Dell. XPS M1330. I opted for a faster processor and added a bluetooth mouse. It rocks. http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs -- ----------JSA--------- There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that can read binary and those that can't. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Tony Alfrey

20:19

John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tony Alfrey wrote:

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John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system. Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report:

Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed. From whom did you buy this box? What model of XPS?

Directly from Dell. XPS M1330. I opted for a faster processor and added a bluetooth mouse. It rocks.

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

Hmmm. Thanks! -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Fred A. Miller

19:17

John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system.

Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report:

Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

Everything worked out of the box. Everything. No dicking around with repositories, no fighting video drivers, no manually loading WIFI drivers, music played perfectly, DVDs played perfectly, if found my local windows network, found my HpPrinter/scanner/fax and printed scanned and faxed perfectly thru it. The DVD burner software worked. The automatic update software found, reported, and installed updates. Everything, even non-core features worked. *cough*.

Even the Fingerprint reader worked.

There was at least 30 hours of work that would have been beyond the capability of the machines owner (wife) that was completely avoided by ordering Linux pre-installed. Too bad it couldn't have been Opensuse, but Ubuntu will do for her needs.

Yep.....I'm running into the same thing, John! People want new systems and they CAN get them preloaded from Dell....just not with openSUSE. To make that new Dell "better," just install KDE 3.5.9 from the package manager, then any apps. she may need, choose KDE as the default gui and you're all set. Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

20:32

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system.

Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report:

Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

Everything worked out of the box. Everything. No dicking around with repositories, no fighting video drivers, no manually loading WIFI drivers, music played perfectly, DVDs played perfectly, if found my local windows network, found my HpPrinter/scanner/fax and printed scanned and faxed perfectly thru it. The DVD burner software worked. The automatic update software found, reported, and installed updates. Everything, even non-core features worked. *cough*.

Even the Fingerprint reader worked.

There was at least 30 hours of work that would have been beyond the capability of the machines owner (wife) that was completely avoided by ordering Linux pre-installed. Too bad it couldn't have been Opensuse, but Ubuntu will do for her needs.

Yep.....I'm running into the same thing, John! People want new systems and they CAN get them preloaded from Dell....just not with openSUSE. To make that new Dell "better," just install KDE 3.5.9 from the package manager, then any apps. she may need, choose KDE as the default gui and you're all set.

Fred

I might, after she gets used to Linux. But right now its all she wants and fast. I think the simple Gnome interface will stay for a while. It seems odd that the the GPL makes it easier for Dell to install linux on their boxes and sell it with no risk of lawsuit and no open source vs close source hassles than it is for Opensuse itself to release an "off the shelf, ready to use distro". Dell does not have to worry violating the GPL by adding proprietary linux drivers for video card or WIFI. They buy a gazillion WIFI chipsets and integrate the drivers directly into the system and everybody is happy. The unintended consequence of the GPL seems to have handed the hardware manufacturers a defacto monopoly on bundling the "free" software with hardware with any degree of we might call "user friendly". But imagine if you will, that Dell had chosen Kubuntu, or Opensuse+KDE instead of Gnome... Can you imagine the disaster that would have befallen them if, after years of selling KDE 3.5 they swapped in KDE4? Stuff stopped workin, no CD burning, Desktop half working, etc? Vista was bad enough, but Vista _worked_, given adequate hardware. You could still burn CDroms, do all the things with the desktop that you had come to expect. A KDE desktop would have been a financial disaster for Dell. -- ----------JSA--------- There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that can read binary and those that can't. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

20:41

On Saturday 02 August 2008 10:51:23 am John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system.

Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report:

Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

Upgrade to KUbuntu and you're all set! Too bad Novell can't seem to get on the major clone maker's lists. You'd think that clone manufacturers like Dell would put the distro with the most marketing muscle. Nothing wrong with Ubuntu and Canonacal but it'd be nice to see openSUSE or at lease SLED on the choice list. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Richard Ibbotson

20:53

New subject: [opensuse] Re: Fond farewell to SuSE

On Saturday 02 August 2008 21:41:49 Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Saturday 02 August 2008 10:51:23 am John Andersen wrote> Too bad Novell can't seem to get on the major clone maker's lists. You'd think that clone manufacturers like Dell would put the distro with the most marketing muscle.

Nothing wrong with Ubuntu and Canonacal but it'd be nice to see openSUSE or at lease SLED on the choice list.

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote: Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report: Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

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Upgrade to Kubuntu and you're all set!

'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kdm kwifimanager' -- Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

21:40

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Saturday 02 August 2008 10:51:23 am John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system.

Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report:

Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

Upgrade to KUbuntu and you're all set!

Too bad Novell can't seem to get on the major clone maker's lists. You'd think that clone manufacturers like Dell would put the distro with the most marketing muscle.

Nothing wrong with Ubuntu and Canonacal but it'd be nice to see openSUSE or at lease SLED on the choice list.

Nope. That would give me the not quite ready KDE 4.1. I'm holding out until at least 4.2 before I commit to that. The Gnome stuff all works even if it is a somewhat simplistic interface. -- ----------JSA--------- There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that can read binary and those that can't. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

21:41

Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Saturday 02 August 2008 10:51:23 am John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system.

Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report:

Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

Upgrade to KUbuntu and you're all set!

Too bad Novell can't seem to get on the major clone maker's lists. You'd think that clone manufacturers like Dell would put the distro with the most marketing muscle.

Nothing wrong with Ubuntu and Canonacal but it'd be nice to see openSUSE or at lease SLED on the choice list.

I thought SLED was available on Lenovo. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

medwinz

3 Aug 3 Aug

04:42

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:41 AM, James Knott wrote:

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Kai Ponte wrote: I thought SLED was available on Lenovo.

I really appreciate what Dell deal. Anyway, looking to the specification it should not to be difficult to make the intel graphics card and wifi work in all distribution, except the finger print reader maybe. They have http://linux.dell.com/, i think it is the most complete support than any other major vendor. I heard that IBM contribution to opensource project is the biggest one though. I should admit based on my work last year, using Dell servers as asterisk servers running on High Availability mode to connect 4 cities on different islands, I will ask no more for hardware support. I think Novell and opensuse should think to do what Canonical do with Dell. I know some power/experience users do not care about this thing but the most computer user is only need the easiest way to run the computer for their job. regards, medwinz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

John Andersen

07:13

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM, medwinz wrote:

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They have http://linux.dell.com/, i think it is the most complete support than any other major vendor.

I've purchased Dell servers with SLES. Not pre-installed, but purchased both from Dell. (One would be silly to allow Dell to configure their server, or anyone else for that matter). Again, with SLES, everything worked out of the gate. All the hardware. All the software. -- ----------JSA--------- There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those that can read binary and those that can't. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Darren Davis

5 Aug 5 Aug

14:09

James Knott wrote:

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I thought SLED was available on Lenovo.

It is and works great on my Lenovo X61. http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/special-offers.workflow:ShowPromo?LandingPage=/All/US/Landing_pages/Info/08/Linux&ipromoID=isrc00234& Darren -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

02:17

On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 13:41 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Saturday 02 August 2008 10:51:23 am John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil). However, I just purchased a new workstation with CentOS5 preinstalled and I've decided to move to Centos for the time being. I do like SuSE, and will continue to support it at the BLU installfests, and I may remain on this list if I have the time. As I had previously mentioned, I put Ubuntu on my laptop because of a work requirement. One of my plans is to create a SuSE VM under my Centos/Xen system.

Still on Opensuse. But wanted to report:

Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

Upgrade to KUbuntu and you're all set!

Too bad Novell can't seem to get on the major clone maker's lists. You'd think that clone manufacturers like Dell would put the distro with the most marketing muscle.

Nothing wrong with Ubuntu and Canonacal but it'd be nice to see openSUSE or at lease SLED on the choice list.

Thing about this is the current release of Ubuntu is LTS (LongTermSupport-5 years of patching/support), you can get that on SLED, if you pay for it, two years patching/support on openSuSE. Also with LTS versions, you can set it to ignore the non-LTS os upgrades as well (I'm not sure about the non-LTS). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Amedee Van Gasse

4 Aug 4 Aug

07:55

On Sat, August 2, 2008 19:51, John Andersen wrote:

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On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:33 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:

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I've been a happy SuSE user for a number of years now (since 5.0) as well as Linux since about 1993 (Yggdrasil).

I've been using Linux since Mandrake started. (when was that? '98? '99?) Used Unix at uni before that. Switched to Gentoo for two years, then switched to Ubuntu for the last 3 years. Since two weeks, I'm using Opensuse 11.0, and this is my first post on this mailing list.

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Yesterday and new Dell XPS laptop arrived here with Ubuntu installed.

Everything worked out of the box. Everything. No dicking around with repositories, no fighting video drivers, no manually loading WIFI drivers, music played perfectly, DVDs played perfectly, if found my local windows network, found my HpPrinter/scanner/fax and printed scanned and faxed perfectly thru it. The DVD burner software worked. The automatic update software found, reported, and installed updates. Everything, even non-core features worked. *cough*.

Even the Fingerprint reader worked.

Lack of hardware support was exactly the reason why I switched from Ubuntu to Opensuse. It found my bluetooth dongle[*], it correctly identified my vga card *and* my monitor (first distro ever that did this!), it even identified an internal modem that I didn't even know existed! [*] With Opensuse, I didn't have to open a bug report and then wait for 2,5 years for nothing to happen.

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There was at least 30 hours of work that would have been beyond the capability of the machines owner (wife) that was completely avoided by ordering Linux pre-installed. Too bad it couldn't have been Opensuse, but Ubuntu will do for her needs.

I agree. *Any* distro will do. Suppliers will tweak them to work smoothly with their hardware anyway, and for the rest of us, installing another distro is always an option. -- Amedee -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Mike McMullin
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Tony Alfrey