Hi
I wonder if anyone can explain this one?
Tonight, when collecting my emails, I received the following returned mail:-
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The original message was received at Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:03:59 +0100 (CET)
from localhost [127.0.0.1]
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Ian wrote:
Hi I wonder if anyone can explain this one?
It looks like a misconfiguration of a mail-server at open-3d-constructions.org. /Per Jessen, Zürich -- http://www.spamchek.com/ - managed anti-spam and anti-virus solution. Let us analyse your spam- and virus-threat - up to 2 months for free.
On Monday 13 February 2006 13:30, Per Jessen wrote:
Ian wrote:
Hi I wonder if anyone can explain this one?
It looks like a misconfiguration of a mail-server at open-3d-constructions.org.
I just deleted maybe thirty or forty of the exact same 'bounce'. I never sent an e-mail to that address and the purported original send date of every piece was Feb. 08. - Carl
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-02-13 at 13:36 -0500, Carl Hartung wrote:
It looks like a misconfiguration of a mail-server at open-3d-constructions.org.
I just deleted maybe thirty or forty of the exact same 'bounce'. I never sent an e-mail to that address and the purported original send date of every piece was Feb. 08.
It is a bounce from somebody subscribed to this list. ¿Has anybody reported it to the list owner so that he can be unsubscribed? - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFD8NXetTMYHG2NR9URAuWeAJ95eX7yX7t+t1ERFIf2FBTHZinaxQCfQ1Ve UtTGbMlVZSf/vwodZq5cbZg= =I0aB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is a bounce from somebody subscribed to this list. ¿Has anybody reported it to the list owner so that he can be unsubscribed?
I don't think it's necessary - it looks like he's fixed the problem. (or he was already unsubscribed :-) /Per Jessen, Zürich
On Monday 13 February 2006 19:07, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is a bounce from somebody subscribed to this list. ¿Has anybody reported it to the list owner so that he can be unsubscribed?
I don't think it's necessary - it looks like he's fixed the problem. (or he was already unsubscribed :-)
/Per Jessen, Zürich
On a similar vein, I had a message a few days ago from the "list manager program", stating that it was unable to deliver a massage to me. The email attached the message it said it couldn't deliver but that was utter nonsence because I had received it a few days ago! The message went on to say that it would continue to try to deliver the message again, send a probe and if it still failed, I would be unsubscibed. The message that it said it was trying to deliver has not come, however I'm still subscribed. I also received tonight the email that this thread refers to. System got it's knickers in a twist???? Peter C
Peter Collier wrote:
On a similar vein, I had a message a few days ago from the "list manager program", stating that it was unable to deliver a massage to me. The email attached the message it said it couldn't deliver but that was utter nonsence because I had received it a few days ago!
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The message went on to say that it would continue to try to deliver the message again, send a probe and if it still failed, I would be unsubscibed. The message that it said it was trying to deliver has not come, however I'm still subscribed.
?? Which is it? Did you get it or didn't you? Mail servers can hold on to spooled email a while before it retries sending it. Imagine Sending email 1 (bounces because of some problem) Sending email 2 (warning about being unsubscribed, is rejected but only spooled) Sending email 3 (is received successfully) Re-sending email 2 (since problem is over, is now received) The problem is that the list manager isn't built into the mail server. So things like this can happen
On Monday 13 February 2006 12:44, Peter Collier wrote:
On Monday 13 February 2006 19:07, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is a bounce from somebody subscribed to this list. ¿Has anybody reported it to the list owner so that he can be unsubscribed?
I don't think it's necessary - it looks like he's fixed the problem. (or he was already unsubscribed :-)
/Per Jessen, Zürich
On a similar vein, I had a message a few days ago from the "list manager program", stating that it was unable to deliver a massage to me. The email attached the message it said it couldn't deliver but that was utter nonsence because I had received it a few days ago! The message went on to say that it would continue to try to deliver the message again, send a probe and if it still failed, I would be unsubscibed. The message that it said it was trying to deliver has not come, however I'm still subscribed. I also received tonight the email that this thread refers to. System got it's knickers in a twist????
Peter C I have received this message also. When I use the option to retrieve the message it works. Everything is correct. My ISP said they never bounced the message to the list. -- Russ
russbucket wrote:
I have received this message also. When I use the option to retrieve the message it works. Everything is correct. My ISP said they never bounced the message to the list.
Your ISP may not have known. A failed delivery can be caused by many things. For example some DNS that lost your domain for a while. Or a routing problem somewhere between your ISP and suse.com.
On Monday 13 February 2006 16:31, Anders Johansson wrote:
russbucket wrote:
I have received this message also. When I use the option to retrieve the message it works. Everything is correct. My ISP said they never bounced the message to the list.
Your ISP may not have known. A failed delivery can be caused by many things. For example some DNS that lost your domain for a while. Or a routing problem somewhere between your ISP and suse.com. Thank for the response. I suspect its my ISP but I cannot prove it. But alot of my posts to this list never show up. Then I'll recieve a bunch of bounces all at once. is there a Linux problem that can be used to trace a route? I used to use Sam Spade in Windows. -- Russ
On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 19:09 -0800, russbucket wrote:
On Monday 13 February 2006 16:31, Anders Johansson wrote:
russbucket wrote:
I have received this message also. When I use the option to retrieve the message it works. Everything is correct. My ISP said they never bounced the message to the list.
Your ISP may not have known. A failed delivery can be caused by many things. For example some DNS that lost your domain for a while. Or a routing problem somewhere between your ISP and suse.com. Thank for the response. I suspect its my ISP but I cannot prove it. But alot of my posts to this list never show up. Then I'll recieve a bunch of bounces all at once. is there a Linux problem that can be used to trace a route? I used to use Sam Spade in Windows.
traceroute is usually used to trace routes. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998
On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 01:31 +0100, Anders Johansson wrote:
russbucket wrote:
I have received this message also. When I use the option to retrieve the message it works. Everything is correct. My ISP said they never bounced the message to the list.
Your ISP may not have known. A failed delivery can be caused by many things. For example some DNS that lost your domain for a while. Or a routing problem somewhere between your ISP and suse.com.
I got a bunch of them, while other lists and direct mail came through,
and there is no ISP involved seems to suggest it was the list itself.
--
Dave Cotton
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-02-13 at 20:44 -0000, Peter Collier wrote:
On a similar vein, I had a message a few days ago from the "list manager program", stating that it was unable to deliver a massage to me. The email
Have you read this list FAQ? That's question number 8: | Q8. I just received a strange message from something called | ezmlm about bouncing messages? What's going on? I will not post the answer, you go get it ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFD8cRetTMYHG2NR9URAs5LAJ4vF/AYkMpl536XL8o4LDFZJZJXEwCffZUv MSbj0MkRueOM67EpmOtaw5c= =wCL0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-02-13 at 20:07 +0100, Per Jessen wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
It is a bounce from somebody subscribed to this list. ¿Has anybody reported it to the list owner so that he can be unsubscribed?
I don't think it's necessary - it looks like he's fixed the problem. (or he was already unsubscribed :-)
He is, now ;-) Notice that our posts were sent from the list to him on Feb the 5th, and were stuck on his server for 5 days ("Message could not be delivered for 5 days") before bouncing back to the original posters (ie, you, me, everybody). If he had solved the problem, the mail would not have been stuck for 5 days there, he would have noticed he was not receiving email, solved it, and avoid the nuissance to us. In fact, I have searched the list (in my archive), for his subscription address, and I have not found a single post from him - in years. No, the proper thing is to report this. Last time a similar thing happened, I was receiving hundreds of these bounces for days, till the queue cleared completely. So... he will have to subscribe again when (if!) he notices the problem. - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFD8cVgtTMYHG2NR9URAvlpAJoCh2q2kbjvHfHgNBIWAwfH+WVW3QCfUrf2 ecirVPO+samkLtC8dUsUpdw= =Vo8g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Ian wrote:
Hi I wonder if anyone can explain this one?
Tonight, when collecting my emails, I received the following returned mail:-
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The original message was received at Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:03:59 +0100 (CET) from localhost [127.0.0.1]
That likely someone who is or was on the list and since you sent to the list, you sent to them. I got one too.
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