Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

Timothy R. Butler

28 Feb 2001 28 Feb '01

03:48

Hi everyone, The SuSE 7.1 box advertises the fact that XFree86 4.02 has Anti-Aliasing, but I can't seem to figure out how to get it to work. I copied my collection of TrueType fonts over, set 'em up, but to my dismay the Renderer doesn't seem to engage and smooth the fonts. :-( What do I need to do (BTW, all of my TT fonts are in the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Managed directory that I setup to make KFontInstaller happy)? Do I need KDE 2.1 before this will work? Thanks, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============

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Avi Schwartz

28 Feb 28 Feb

04:35

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Having AA in X11 is not enough. Programs have to be modified to take advantage of AA. The current KDE cvs tree has a module qt-copy which support AA fonts in KDE. I am currently building KDE and when I am done I will try the AA feature. Avi --On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 09:48:56 PM -0600 "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

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Hi everyone, The SuSE 7.1 box advertises the fact that XFree86 4.02 has Anti-Aliasing, but I can't seem to figure out how to get it to work. I copied my collection of TrueType fonts over, set 'em up, but to my dismay the Renderer doesn't seem to engage and smooth the fonts. :-( What do I need to do (BTW, all of my TT fonts are in the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Managed directory that I setup to make KFontInstaller happy)?

Do I need KDE 2.1 before this will work?

Thanks, Tim

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Timothy R. Butler

04:42

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Hi Avi, So, if I get the copy of QT from the KDE CVS, do I also need the KDE CVS code, or can I just use 2.1? It's a shame that SuSE didn't include that version of QT, since IIRC, 2.2.3 (the currently release version) features the AA patch as a compile flag I'm pretty sure. Thanks, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============

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-----Original Message----- From: Avi Schwartz [mailto:avi@CFFtechnologies.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:36 PM To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

Having AA in X11 is not enough. Programs have to be modified to take advantage of AA. The current KDE cvs tree has a module qt-copy which support AA fonts in KDE. I am currently building KDE and when I am done I will try the AA feature.

Avi

--On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 09:48:56 PM -0600 "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

...
Hi everyone, The SuSE 7.1 box advertises the fact that XFree86 4.02 has Anti-Aliasing, but I can't seem to figure out how to get it to work. I copied my collection of TrueType fonts over, set 'em up, but to my dismay the Renderer doesn't seem to engage and smooth the fonts. :-( What do I need to do (BTW, all of my TT fonts are in the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Managed directory that I setup to make KFontInstaller happy)?

Do I need KDE 2.1 before this will work?

Thanks, Tim

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Avi Schwartz

04:48

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I don't know, but I guess I can test it. The reason that SuSE didn't include it is probably because of two reasons: It's new and it's still considered unstable. Avi --On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:42:16 PM -0600 "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

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Hi Avi, So, if I get the copy of QT from the KDE CVS, do I also need the KDE CVS code, or can I just use 2.1? It's a shame that SuSE didn't include that version of QT, since IIRC, 2.2.3 (the currently release version) features the AA patch as a compile flag I'm pretty sure.

Thanks, Tim

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-----Original Message----- From: Avi Schwartz [mailto:avi@CFFtechnologies.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 10:36 PM To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: Re: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

Having AA in X11 is not enough. Programs have to be modified to take advantage of AA. The current KDE cvs tree has a module qt-copy which support AA fonts in KDE. I am currently building KDE and when I am done I will try the AA feature.

Avi

--On Tuesday, February 27, 2001 09:48:56 PM -0600 "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

...
Hi everyone, The SuSE 7.1 box advertises the fact that XFree86 4.02 has Anti-Aliasing, but I can't seem to figure out how to get it to work. I copied my collection of TrueType fonts over, set 'em up, but to my dismay the Renderer doesn't seem to engage and smooth the fonts. :-( What do I need to do (BTW, all of my TT fonts are in the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Managed directory that I setup to make KFontInstaller happy)?

Do I need KDE 2.1 before this will work?

Thanks, Tim

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Lenz Grimmer

07:28

New subject: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

On Tue, 27 Feb 2001, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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The SuSE 7.1 box advertises the fact that XFree86 4.02 has Anti-Aliasing, but I can't seem to figure out how to get it to work. I copied my collection of TrueType fonts over, set 'em up, but to my dismay the Renderer doesn't seem to engage and smooth the fonts. :-( What do I need to do (BTW, all of my TT fonts are in the /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Managed directory that I setup to make KFontInstaller happy)?

Do I need KDE 2.1 before this will work?

No, you don't. All you need is an XFree86 4 server, that actually supports the RENDER extensions - you can check it like this: $ xdpyinfo | grep RENDER RENDER Now install your True Type fonts below /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/ and run "SuSEconfig --module fonts". Now install package qt-experimental using YaST (it will replace the original qt library package) and restart KDE. Enjoy! Now all KDE2 apps should use AA fonts (check with xmag). If you use an LC Display, you might want to consider to activate a different RGB rendering algorithm by adding the following line to ~/.Xdefaults: Xft.rgba: rgb This looks much better on Laptop screens because it is actually using the singel RGB subpixel for antialiasing (similar to Microsoft's ClearType) BTW: If you do not have any TrueType fonts available, you can suck them from the Microsoft web site by executing "/usr/X11R6/bin/fetchmsttfonts" Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany Sherman, set the Way-Back Machine for 1492.

Lenz Grimmer

15:25

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Lenz Grimmer wrote:

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BTW: If you do not have any TrueType fonts available, you can suck them from the Microsoft web site by executing "/usr/X11R6/bin/fetchmsttfonts"

Argh, seems like M$ decided to move the location of that files - the script is not very helpful anymore... But of course you can still copy the .ttf files manually... Bye, LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany The picture of health requires a happy frame of mind.

Victor R. Cardona

1 Mar 1 Mar

00:21

New subject: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

Hi, I saw this thread, and decided to try to get anti-aliased font in KDE. My only problem is that X windows does not seem to support it. I am running XF86-4.0.2. The only change I made was to install the newer Nvidia RPMs from Nvidia's Web site. How can I get Render support going in X-windows? Thanks, -- Victor R. Cardona vcardona@home.com "Behold the keyboard of Kahless, the greatest Klingon code warrior that ever lived!"

Ben Rosenberg

00:27

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Yes, well. If one has the nVidia GLX and kernel module that shipped with 7.1 installed...if you upgrade to the current driver from nVidia that says it's for 7.1..things break. Hey LenZ, I don't have access to w3 anymore..so I don't know who maintains that set of RPM's..could we get RPM's of the newest drivers? Regards, * Victor R. Cardona (vcardona@home.com) [010228 16:22]: =>Hi, => =>I saw this thread, and decided to try to get anti-aliased font in KDE. =>My only problem is that X windows does not seem to support it. I am =>running XF86-4.0.2. The only change I made was to install the newer =>Nvidia RPMs from Nvidia's Web site. => =>How can I get Render support going in X-windows? -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

Victor R. Cardona

01:04

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On Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 04:27:28PM -0800, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Yes, well. If one has the nVidia GLX and kernel module that shipped with 7.1 installed...if you upgrade to the current driver from nVidia that says it's for 7.1..things break.

It is no big deal. Perhaps, I will install the original SuSE RPMs later, and try again.

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Hey LenZ, I don't have access to w3 anymore..so I don't know who maintains that set of RPM's..could we get RPM's of the newest drivers?

That would be really cool if we could. - v -- Victor R. Cardona vcardona@home.com "Behold the keyboard of Kahless, the greatest Klingon code warrior that ever lived!"

Lenz Grimmer

2 Mar 2 Mar

15:42

New subject: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Ben Rosenberg wrote:

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Yes, well. If one has the nVidia GLX and kernel module that shipped with 7.1 installed...if you upgrade to the current driver from nVidia that says it's for 7.1..things break.

Hey LenZ, I don't have access to w3 anymore..so I don't know who maintains that set of RPM's..could we get RPM's of the newest drivers?

Yes, the binary only nVidia driver does not include the required RENDER extension, but there is nothing we can do about it. You have to bug nVidia :/ LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years.

Ben Rosenberg

18:02

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LenZ, Yes, this maybe true..but there are new nVidia drivers and GLX packages on nVidia's website, but they do not upgrade the SuSE packages very well..even though they say they are for 7.1. If we could get those drivers and the GLX package made so that they upgrade the 7.1 package without making things a mess..that would rock. Regards, * LenZ Grimmer (grimmer@suse.de) [010302 07:43]: => =>Yes, the binary only nVidia driver does not include the required RENDER =>extension, but there is nothing we can do about it. You have to bug nVidia => =>:/ => => LenZ -- Ben Rosenberg mailto:ben@whack.org ----- If two men agree on everything, you can be sure that only one of them is doing the thinking.

Timothy R. Butler

28 Feb 28 Feb

20:03

New subject: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

Hi LenZ,

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$ xdpyinfo | grep RENDER RENDER

I'll try that later on, right now I'm waiting for the the AT&T@Home guy to come figure out why my internet connection is so bad. <g> Say, it should have the AA extension in it, since that's listed on the SuSE box, right?

...

Now install your True Type fonts below /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/ and run "SuSEconfig --module fonts". Now install package qt-experimental using YaST (it will replace the original qt library package) and restart

Okay, use the qt-experimental from the KDE CVS?

...

KDE. Enjoy! Now all KDE2 apps should use AA fonts (check with xmag). If

Wonderful. Thanks for the xmag tip. XFree86's XFT man page said xfedit was AA compatible, but the font was small enought I couldn't tell if the extension was working or not. Thanks.

...

you use an LC Display, you might want to consider to activate a different RGB rendering algorithm by adding the following line to ~/.Xdefaults:

Xft.rgba: rgb

Great. I'll try that on my laptop, I'm getting ready to shrink my Windows ME partition on it in the next few days...

...

This looks much better on Laptop screens because it is actually using the singel RGB subpixel for antialiasing (similar to Microsoft's ClearType)

Huh, neat.

...

BTW: If you do not have any TrueType fonts available, you can suck them from the Microsoft web site by executing "/usr/X11R6/bin/fetchmsttfonts"

Well, I'm pretty good on those (between Corel Photo-Paint and MS Office, I have over 250 fonts in Windows), but I appreciate the tip - it might come in handy some day. By the way, will the fact that I installed the fonts in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Managed cause a problem (I did this so that I could try KFontInstaller)? Thanks, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Christian Web Services Since 1996 tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ============== "AT&T: The pre-paid phone card. Jesus: The pre-paid life card."

Avi Schwartz

21:38

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I am running now with AA & KDE and it is magnificent. I did not think Linux can look so good. I created a small test document in KWord and it looks great (the text that is). Avi --On Wednesday, February 28, 2001 02:03:11 PM -0600 "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

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Hi LenZ,

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$ xdpyinfo | grep RENDER RENDER

I'll try that later on, right now I'm waiting for the the AT&T@Home guy to come figure out why my internet connection is so bad. <g> Say, it should have the AA extension in it, since that's listed on the SuSE box, right?

...
Now install your True Type fonts below /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/ and run "SuSEconfig --module fonts". Now install package qt-experimental using YaST (it will replace the original qt library package) and restart

Okay, use the qt-experimental from the KDE CVS?

...
KDE. Enjoy! Now all KDE2 apps should use AA fonts (check with xmag). If

Wonderful. Thanks for the xmag tip. XFree86's XFT man page said xfedit was AA compatible, but the font was small enought I couldn't tell if the extension was working or not. Thanks.

...
you use an LC Display, you might want to consider to activate a different RGB rendering algorithm by adding the following line to ~/.Xdefaults:

Xft.rgba: rgb

Great. I'll try that on my laptop, I'm getting ready to shrink my Windows ME partition on it in the next few days...

...
This looks much better on Laptop screens because it is actually using the singel RGB subpixel for antialiasing (similar to Microsoft's ClearType)

Huh, neat.

...
BTW: If you do not have any TrueType fonts available, you can suck them from the Microsoft web site by executing "/usr/X11R6/bin/fetchmsttfonts"

Well, I'm pretty good on those (between Corel Photo-Paint and MS Office, I have over 250 fonts in Windows), but I appreciate the tip - it might come in handy some day. By the way, will the fact that I installed the fonts in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Managed cause a problem (I did this so that I could try KFontInstaller)?

Thanks, Tim

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Timothy R. Butler

21:58

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...

I am running now with AA & KDE and it is magnificent. I did not think Linux can look so good. I created a small test document in KWord and it looks great (the text that is).

I can't wait to try it. Hopefully by the time the next SuSE comes out it will be the default. Three brief questions for you: 1.) Were you able to find a RPM of qt-experimental, or did you have to compile the CVS version (I always hate to over write packages with source code)? 2.) Do you have a noticeable speed decrease? 3.) Did you have to do anything more than you and Lenz advised me on? Thanks, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Christian Web Services Since 1996 tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ============== "AT&T: The pre-paid phone card. Jesus: The pre-paid life card."

Avi Schwartz

1 Mar 1 Mar

02:04

New subject: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

I complied the cvs sources. I did it for the whole KDE 2.1.X I didn't notice any speed difference, but some of the fonts (like in kterminal) are larger now. You must also understand that only QT based applications (i.e. KDE applications) enjoy the new AA fonts. I didn't have to do anything else, Lenz's advise was right on the target. Avi --On Wednesday, February 28, 2001 03:58:46 PM -0600 "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

...

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I am running now with AA & KDE and it is magnificent. I did not think Linux can look so good. I created a small test document in KWord and it looks great (the text that is).

I can't wait to try it. Hopefully by the time the next SuSE comes out it will be the default. Three brief questions for you:

1.) Were you able to find a RPM of qt-experimental, or did you have to compile the CVS version (I always hate to over write packages with source code)?

2.) Do you have a noticeable speed decrease?

3.) Did you have to do anything more than you and Lenz advised me on?

Thanks, Tim

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wilson＠claborn.net

02:58

New subject: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

At 08:04 PM 2/28/2001 -0600, you wrote:

...

I complied the cvs sources. I did it for the whole KDE 2.1.X

I do NOT understand why you compiled anything. I'm sitting right here looking at the Outside of my SuSE 7.1 Professional and #2 of 8 things listed inside the little hard cover is "Xfree86 tm 4.0.2 Font anti aliasing" Which absolutely HAS to mean that's in installed with RPMs that /come on these CDs/, or else it would be a lie to put that on the outside of the box. In fact, because the outside of the box says that, I'd assume it's that way by default. So what's going on here that you guys are having to fiddle around at all? Is the AA not set up by default? I made a test HTML page (web fonts have always been the worst) and it looked much better then times past, but I was on a test box with a horrible little monitor so maybe it was just blured. Can someone from SuSE please answer why "Font anti aliasing" is on the outside of the box if we have to compile it ourselves, and if we don't need to, please explain how we can get it working? TIA ---------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com

Avi Schwartz

02:59

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While XF 4.0.2 supports AA, the applications have to be modified in order to take advantage of it, it is not automatic. Since KDE is QT based, by installing a version of QT that supports these X11 extensions, all KDE applications start displaying AA fonts. Avi --On Wednesday, February 28, 2001 08:58:37 PM -0600 Jonathan Wilson wrote:

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At 08:04 PM 2/28/2001 -0600, you wrote:

...
I complied the cvs sources. I did it for the whole KDE 2.1.X

I do NOT understand why you compiled anything. I'm sitting right here looking at the Outside of my SuSE 7.1 Professional and #2 of 8 things listed inside the little hard cover is "Xfree86 tm 4.0.2 Font anti aliasing" Which absolutely HAS to mean that's in installed with RPMs that /come on these CDs/, or else it would be a lie to put that on the outside of the box.

In fact, because the outside of the box says that, I'd assume it's that way by default. So what's going on here that you guys are having to fiddle around at all? Is the AA not set up by default? I made a test HTML page (web fonts have always been the worst) and it looked much better then times past, but I was on a test box with a horrible little monitor so maybe it was just blured.

Can someone from SuSE please answer why "Font anti aliasing" is on the outside of the box if we have to compile it ourselves, and if we don't need to, please explain how we can get it working?

TIA

---------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Wilson System Administrator

Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com

Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com

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wilson＠claborn.net

03:31

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At 08:59 PM 2/28/2001 -0600, you wrote:

...

While XF 4.0.2 supports AA, the applications have to be modified in order to take advantage of it, it is not automatic. Since KDE is QT based, by installing a version of QT that supports these X11 extensions, all KDE applications start displaying AA fonts.

Avi

I still do not understand. What packages are there then that DO have the AA support right off the CD? I would have thought all of KDE... ...no?

...

--On Wednesday, February 28, 2001 08:58:37 PM -0600 Jonathan Wilson wrote:

...
At 08:04 PM 2/28/2001 -0600, you wrote:

...
I complied the cvs sources. I did it for the whole KDE 2.1.X

I do NOT understand why you compiled anything. I'm sitting right here looking at the Outside of my SuSE 7.1 Professional and #2 of 8 things listed inside the little hard cover is "Xfree86 tm 4.0.2 Font anti aliasing" Which absolutely HAS to mean that's in installed with RPMs that /come on these CDs/, or else it would be a lie to put that on the outside of the box.

In fact, because the outside of the box says that, I'd assume it's that way by default. So what's going on here that you guys are having to fiddle around at all? Is the AA not set up by default? I made a test HTML page (web fonts have always been the worst) and it looked much better then times past, but I was on a test box with a horrible little monitor so maybe it was just blured.

Can someone from SuSE please answer why "Font anti aliasing" is on the outside of the box if we have to compile it ourselves, and if we don't need to, please explain how we can get it working?

TIA

---------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Wilson System Administrator

Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com

Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com

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Avi Schwartz

03:32

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If you have the right QT installed, then yes, all KDE is AA aware. Otherwise, no. --On Wednesday, February 28, 2001 09:31:31 PM -0600 Jonathan Wilson wrote:

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At 08:59 PM 2/28/2001 -0600, you wrote:

...
While XF 4.0.2 supports AA, the applications have to be modified in order to take advantage of it, it is not automatic. Since KDE is QT based, by installing a version of QT that supports these X11 extensions, all KDE applications start displaying AA fonts.

Avi

I still do not understand. What packages are there then that DO have the AA support right off the CD? I would have thought all of KDE... ...no?

...
--On Wednesday, February 28, 2001 08:58:37 PM -0600 Jonathan Wilson wrote:

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At 08:04 PM 2/28/2001 -0600, you wrote:

...
I complied the cvs sources. I did it for the whole KDE 2.1.X

I do NOT understand why you compiled anything. I'm sitting right here looking at the Outside of my SuSE 7.1 Professional and #2 of 8 things listed inside the little hard cover is "Xfree86 tm 4.0.2 Font anti aliasing" Which absolutely HAS to mean that's in installed with RPMs that /come on these CDs/, or else it would be a lie to put that on the outside of the box.

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Doug McGarrett

18:57

New subject: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

At 08:59 PM 02/28/2001 -0600, you wrote:

...

While XF 4.0.2 supports AA, the applications have to be modified in order to take advantage of it, it is not automatic. Since KDE is QT based, by installing a version of QT that supports these X11 extensions, all KDE applications start displaying AA fonts.

Avi /snipped out origianl message/

So what version of QT is required, and where can we get it from? Thanx. --doug

Avi Schwartz

19:15

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You need QT version 2.3 beta. Lenz mentioned a package called qt_experimental but I am not sure where to find it. I checked out the module qt-copy via cvs from kde.org and compiled it myslef. You can find instructions on how to do this at http://www.kde.org/anoncvs.html Avi --On Thursday, March 01, 2001 01:57:46 PM -0500 Doug McGarrett wrote:

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At 08:59 PM 02/28/2001 -0600, you wrote:

...
While XF 4.0.2 supports AA, the applications have to be modified in order to take advantage of it, it is not automatic. Since KDE is QT based, by installing a version of QT that supports these X11 extensions, all KDE applications start displaying AA fonts.

Avi /snipped out origianl message/

So what version of QT is required, and where can we get it from? Thanx. --doug -- Avi Schwartz Get a Life, avi@CFFtechnologies.com Get Linux!

Timothy R. Butler

20:39

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Avi, I found out over in the KDE list that qt-experimental is on the 7.1 CD's or on the FTP site at ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/X/XFree86/XFree86-4.0.2-SuSE/suse70/qt2-aa . HTH, Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============

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-----Original Message----- From: Avi Schwartz [mailto:avi@CFFtechnologies.com] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:16 PM Cc: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: RE: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

You need QT version 2.3 beta. Lenz mentioned a package called qt_experimental but I am not sure where to find it. I checked out the module qt-copy via cvs from kde.org and compiled it myslef. You can find instructions on how to do this at http://www.kde.org/anoncvs.html

Avi

--On Thursday, March 01, 2001 01:57:46 PM -0500 Doug McGarrett wrote:

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At 08:59 PM 02/28/2001 -0600, you wrote:

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While XF 4.0.2 supports AA, the applications have to be modified in order to take advantage of it, it is not automatic. Since KDE is QT based, by installing a version of QT that supports these X11 extensions, all KDE applications start displaying AA fonts.

Avi /snipped out origianl message/

So what version of QT is required, and where can we get it from? Thanx. --doug -- Avi Schwartz Get a Life, avi@CFFtechnologies.com Get Linux!

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Lenz Grimmer

2 Mar 2 Mar

15:40

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Avi Schwartz wrote:

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While XF 4.0.2 supports AA, the applications have to be modified in order to take advantage of it, it is not automatic. Since KDE is QT based, by installing a version of QT that supports these X11 extensions, all KDE applications start displaying AA fonts.

In fact, all applications based on Qt should use AA fonts. According to Keith, it will take the GNOME people a little while longer to get full AA support, because they have to modify every single application in addition to GTK, since font handling is not as transparent to the application as with Qt. LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years.

Lenz Grimmer

15:38

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Hi, On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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I can't wait to try it. Hopefully by the time the next SuSE comes out it will be the default. Three brief questions for you:

1.) Were you able to find a RPM of qt-experimental, or did you have to compile the CVS version (I always hate to over write packages with source code)?

As mentioned before, it is on the 7.1 CDs. However, we do not use it as the default yet, since it is (as the name applies) still in the works.

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2.) Do you have a noticeable speed decrease?

According to Keith, only a few video chipsets support rendering of AA fonts in hardware (e.g. Matrox). So you might notice a slight slowdown of text output on slow systems, because the X server has to do the rendering in Software.

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3.) Did you have to do anything more than you and Lenz advised me on?

I hope not :) LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years.

Timothy R. Butler

20:07

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Hi Lenz, As you can guess from my "SuSE 7.1 is GREAT" posting, AA is now working beautifully. The only slowdown I noticed was when dragging windows around, and I'm hopeful that this will improve when I install SuSE on my Laptop which is substantially more powerful (750 PIII vs. a 450 PII and 16 Meg ATI Rage Mobility video vs. 8 Meg nVidia Riva 128ZX)... we shall see. Thank-you for your help, I would have been stuck otherwise, especially without that SuSEconfig trick, I had forgotten about font.scale files. BTW, I guess I should send this in with my bug and wish list to the feedback department, but I thought I'd mention this idea here too. Why not, in 7.2, make install both qt and qt-experimental in to different locations, and then allow the user to enable AA/Font Smoothing in YaST2. Depending on whether it was enabled/disabled, the qt symlink would point to the correct QT-libs... Thanks again, your instructions worked magnificently. -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm Christian Web Services Since 1996 tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ============== "AT&T: The pre-paid phone card. Jesus: The pre-paid life card."

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-----Original Message----- From: Lenz Grimmer [mailto:grimmer@suse.de] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 9:39 AM To: SuSE Mailing List Subject: RE: [SLE] Anti-Aliasing: How do I do it?

Hi,

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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I can't wait to try it. Hopefully by the time the next SuSE comes out it will be the default. Three brief questions for you:

1.) Were you able to find a RPM of qt-experimental, or did you have to compile the CVS version (I always hate to over write packages with source code)?

As mentioned before, it is on the 7.1 CDs. However, we do not use it as the default yet, since it is (as the name applies) still in the works.

...
2.) Do you have a noticeable speed decrease?

According to Keith, only a few video chipsets support rendering of AA fonts in hardware (e.g. Matrox). So you might notice a slight slowdown of text output on slow systems, because the X server has to do the rendering in Software.

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3.) Did you have to do anything more than you and Lenz advised me on?

I hope not :)

LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years.

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Lenz Grimmer

15:36

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Hi, On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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Okay, use the qt-experimental from the KDE CVS?

No, 7.1 includes an RPM named "qt-experimental". LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years.

Nadeem Hasan

16:12

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Lenz, I installed the qt-experimental on my laptop (Dell Lattitude CPi) with Neomagic video. X crashed as soon as KDE loaded. This happens with startx and kdm. So, I had to revert back to qt :( On more serious side, lspci on the same laptop is screwed up. It looks for bus 05: and the laptop has bus 00: under /proc/bus/pci. Result: SaX2 does not work as it fails to autodetect. usbmanager script fails as it does not find any USB host. I know I can workaround both, but where the hell did this bus 05: come from? Cheers, -- Nadeem Hasan nhasan@nadmm.com http://www.nadmm.com/ Lenz Grimmer wrote:

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Hi,

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Timothy R. Butler wrote:

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Okay, use the qt-experimental from the KDE CVS?

No, 7.1 includes an RPM named "qt-experimental".

LenZ

Timothy R. Butler

20:07

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I installed the qt-experimental on my laptop (Dell Lattitude CPi) with Neomagic video. X crashed as soon as KDE loaded. This happens with startx and kdm.

Did you run "SuSEconfig -module fonts" after you moved your TT's over? That takes care of all of the dirty work that needs to be done... -Tim ----------------------------------------------------------------- Timothy R. Butler Universal Networks Information Tech. Consultant Christian Web Services Since 1996 ICQ #12495932 AIM: Uninettm An Authorized IPSwitch Reseller tbutler@uninetsolutions.com http://www.uninetsolutions.com ============== "Information Powered by Innovation" ==============

Nadeem Hasan

22:07

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Well, This happened before I even tried to setup TTFs :) I did that later using mkttfdir and setting the font path. "Timothy R. Butler" wrote:

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I installed the qt-experimental on my laptop (Dell Lattitude CPi) with Neomagic video. X crashed as soon as KDE loaded. This happens with startx and kdm.

Did you run "SuSEconfig -module fonts" after you moved your TT's over? That takes care of all of the dirty work that needs to be done...

-Tim

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18:29

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At 04:36 PM 3/2/2001 +0100, you wrote:

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No, 7.1 includes an RPM named "qt-experimental".

May I ask why this was set aside as experimental? Is it unstable enough that it shouldn't be used on workstations? Since AA is listed on the outside of the box, why isn't it set up by default? I think it's misleading to have "Anti-Aliasing support" printed on the box when you have to do funny tweaks to get it working. Geek that I am I don't mind it personally, but people who don't know as much will probably be upset that it's not the default.

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Lenz Grimmer

3 Mar 3 Mar

17:14

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On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Jonathan Wilson wrote:

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At 04:36 PM 3/2/2001 +0100, you wrote:

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No, 7.1 includes an RPM named "qt-experimental".

May I ask why this was set aside as experimental? Is it unstable enough that it shouldn't be used on workstations? Since AA is listed on the outside of the box, why isn't it set up by default? I think it's misleading to have "Anti-Aliasing support" printed on the box when you have to do funny tweaks to get it working. Geek that I am I don't mind it personally, but people who don't know as much will probably be upset that it's not the default.

Well, the AA support has just been added recently and was not an official part of the Qt library at the time of the package freeze. Therefore we decided to add it as a separate RPM for the time being. Not having it as the default has another reason - you need TrueType fonts, which we cannot provide, since most _good_ fonts are not available for free and not everybody has a separate Windows partition, where we might be able to "reuse" fonts. LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany To be a Californian means to have faults others don't.

Doug McGarrett

20:04

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I think I vaguely recall that it was possible to put a link to the Windows partition and directory where the TT fonts are, rather than copying them all. Is that correct, and if so, what should it look like, and what directory should you be in when you make the link, or does it matter. (I am obviously not hip to links--I understand what they do, but not how to make them work.) Thanx, Lenz! --doug

Jethro Cramp

2 Mar 2 Mar

10:14

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Lenz,

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No, you don't. All you need is an XFree86 4 server, that actually supports the RENDER extensions - you can check it like this:

$ xdpyinfo | grep RENDER RENDER

Now install your True Type fonts below /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/ and run "SuSEconfig --module fonts".

Is this the same procedure under SuSE7.0? I have installed Xfree86 4.02 and then I tried xdpyinfo | grep RENDER but there was no mention of RENDER. Is this an issue with 4.02? Should I upgrade to 4.02-6 (this is the version now on SuSE's ftp server). What other information should I post (if any)? TIA, Jethro

Lenz Grimmer

15:44

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Hi, On Fri, 2 Mar 2001, Jethro Cramp wrote:

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No, you don't. All you need is an XFree86 4 server, that actually supports the RENDER extensions - you can check it like this:

$ xdpyinfo | grep RENDER RENDER

Now install your True Type fonts below /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/ and run "SuSEconfig --module fonts".

Is this the same procedure under SuSE7.0?

I have installed Xfree86 4.02 and then I tried xdpyinfo | grep RENDER but there was no mention of RENDER. Is this an issue with 4.02? Should I upgrade to 4.02-6 (this is the version now on SuSE's ftp server). What other information should I post (if any)?

AFAIK not all XFree86 4.0.2 modules do support the RENDER extensions yet. LenZ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Lenz Grimmer SuSE GmbH mailto:grimmer@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 http://www.suse.de/~grimmer/ 90443 Nuernberg, Germany I'm not crazy, I've just been in a very bad mood for 30 years.

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