* Ken Schneider - openSUSE [11-16-09 23:19]:

Umm... how is that going to stop them from being *created*?

If it uses the same view for all folders, it doesn't need to record the particular directory's view :^) -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin wrote:

On Monday 16 November 2009 23:38:55 and regarding:

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Umm... how is that going to stop them from being *created*?

If it uses the same view for all folders, it doesn't need to record the particular directory's view :^)

Err.. Ummm..

That's the issue, I wan't dolphin to remember what to display as pictures, what to display as a list and what to display as a compact list, but I do NOT want little .directory files scattered all over the file system. Isn't there a switch that says remember, but don't create little .directory files?

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James Knott said the following on 11/17/2009 08:28 AM:

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That info has to be saved somewhere. Where do you want it to be?

Indeed. *NIX takes the attitude that this is a 'local solution to a local problem'. Windows has the Registry. A central solution. Many people think that *IS* the problem. Which would you rather have? Personally I don't like the idea of one huge "SPOF". Especially when its as confusing and undocumented as it is. By comparison, *NIX config files and parameter files are models of clarity. If you don't believe me, red through the files in /etc and tell me how well they are commented - locally; tell me if they relate clearly to the subsystems they affect. So, since that information has to be saved somewhere, where else do you want to be? In /etc/dolphin/ something ...? Well, suppose you have a directory /home/david/applications which has /dev/VGMain/applications mounted. All the dolphin-esque information s in /etc/dolphin/..... somewhere, right? Now unmount that and mount /dev/VGMain/appl2 which has exactly the same directory structure but different files. Now what? All that central information is WRONG. But if the information is in a .directory file in each directory it will always be in context. As I keep saying in various forums Context is Everything -- "With more success, comes greater problems along with greater ability to solve them." -- Mark Victor Hansen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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2009/11/17 Anton Aylward:

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James Knott said the following on 11/17/2009 08:28 AM:

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That info has to be saved somewhere. Where do you want it to be?

Indeed. *NIX takes the attitude that this is a 'local solution to a local problem'.

Windows has the Registry. A central solution. Many people think that *IS* the problem.

Which would you rather have?

Personally I don't like the idea of one huge "SPOF".

Especially when its as confusing and undocumented as it is. By comparison, *NIX config files and parameter files are models of clarity. If you don't believe me, red through the files in /etc and tell me how well they are commented - locally; tell me if they relate clearly to the subsystems they affect.

So, since that information has to be saved somewhere, where else do you want to be?

In /etc/dolphin/ something ...?

Well, suppose you have a directory /home/david/applications which has /dev/VGMain/applications mounted. All the dolphin-esque information s in /etc/dolphin/..... somewhere, right?

Now unmount that and mount /dev/VGMain/appl2 which has exactly the same directory structure but different files.

Now what? All that central information is WRONG.

But if the information is in a .directory file in each directory it will always be in context.

As I keep saying in various forums

Context is Everything

As the files are KDE-specific, I would expect the information contained within them to be under ~/.kde or in another KDE-specific place. Certainly not littered all across the filesystem, hidden or not. And, as previously mentioned, what would you do about the situation where different file systems can appear in the same location? In OS/2,

Dotan Cohen wrote: the file system used extended attributes to handle this sort of thing. Unfortunately, Linux & Unix file systems don't appear to support EAs. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

2009/11/17 Anton Aylward :

James Knott said the following on 11/17/2009 08:28 AM:

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That info has to be saved somewhere.  Where do you want it to be?

Indeed. *NIX takes the attitude that this is a 'local solution to a local problem'.

Windows has the Registry.  A central solution. Many people think that *IS* the problem.

Which would you rather have?

Personally I don't like the idea of one huge "SPOF".

Especially when its as confusing and undocumented as it is. By comparison, *NIX config files and parameter files are models of clarity.  If you don't believe me, red through the files in /etc and tell me how well they are commented - locally; tell me if they relate clearly to the subsystems they affect.

So, since that information has to be saved somewhere, where else do you want to be?

In /etc/dolphin/ something ...?

Well, suppose you have a directory /home/david/applications which has /dev/VGMain/applications mounted.  All the dolphin-esque information s in /etc/dolphin/..... somewhere, right?

Now unmount that and mount /dev/VGMain/appl2 which has exactly the same directory structure but different files.

Now what?  All that central information is WRONG.

But if the information is in a .directory file in each directory it will always be in context.

As I keep saying in various forums

       Context is Everything

As the files are KDE-specific, I would expect the information contained within them to be under ~/.kde or in another KDE-specific place. Certainly not littered all across the filesystem, hidden or not. Apache can get away with this for .htaccess as the filesystems used with apache are generally used _only_ for that purpose (in the web tree) but I do not see my ~ directory as such. Like mentioned previously, that data will be moved to Akonadi one day. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 16 November 2009 20:20:42 and regarding:

On 17/11/09 12:39, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Guys (KDE4 guys especially)

How do I stop dolphin from scattering '.directory' files all over the filesystem? I'm fairly certain that dolphin does this to remember how to display a directory when remember each folder view is enabled. How do I tell dolphin not to use this kluge but still remember each folder's setting? Konqueror is smart enough to do this. Surely dolphin is too. What's the setting?

View=>Show Hidden Files?

BC

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Herbert Graeber pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

Am Dienstag 17 November 2009 10:03:25 schrieb David C. Rankin:

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On Monday 16 November 2009 20:20:42 and regarding:

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On 17/11/09 12:39, David C. Rankin wrote:

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Guys (KDE4 guys especially)

How do I stop dolphin from scattering '.directory' files all over the filesystem? I'm fairly certain that dolphin does this to remember how to display a directory when remember each folder view is enabled. How do I tell dolphin not to use this kluge but still remember each folder's setting? Konqueror is smart enough to do this. Surely dolphin is too. What's the setting? View=>Show Hidden Files?

BC Heh heh heh,

I have it set, but every time I do an 'ls -al' I still see them :-(

Then do not use -a ;-)

Herbert

Or just keep your eyes closed. :-)) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org