Sorry, I have not yet found time to give you the exact error (it's my home PC, not this one). Essentially I receive an error from java engine (I use java 1.6). Since java is a portable language, me too I am wondering why it does not work. Bogdan On Nov 14, 2007 11:37 AM, G T Smith wrote:

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Does anyone know where to find eclipse 3.3 and eclipse-cdt 4.0 for openSuSE 10.2? I have not succeeded to run eclipse 3.3 downloaded from eclipse site and the version of eclipse provided for openSuSE 10.2 is 3.2.

What particular problems did you have? In my experience Eclipse has usually been fairly tolerant about the Java configurations it will work with, and I have been thinking about moving to 3.3.

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On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 09:33 +0000, G T Smith wrote:

Personally I prefer to write code where I have just got to worry about my code not the code base or programming tools as well, so I am holding off installing 1.6 until it is reported as being a little more reliable...

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On Thursday 15 November 2007 01:33, G T Smith wrote:

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Ah! Java 1.6 ... I am getting the impression this is a bit problematic and not just for SuSE users...

Java 1.6 is just fine. Sun has done a consistently good job of advancing the language and library capabilities, as well as their performance and stability. There have been mis-steps and no system as large as Java is bug-free, but it's pretty damn good, really, including 1.6.

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Personally I prefer to write code where I have just got to worry about my code not the code base or programming tools as well,

You do realize those days are now long gone, don't you?

so I am holding off installing 1.6 until it is reported as being a little more reliable...

It's not going to get substantially more reliable than it is now 'cause it's plenty reliable. I run IntelliJ (JetBrains) IDEA 7.0, and it _requires_ Java 1.6. I run all the own software I develop and all the other Java-based tools I use in Java 1.6. It all works just fine.

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On Thursday 15 November 2007 10:14:39 G T Smith wrote:

It may be fine for you, but others report issues with code written to earlier specs with 6. As I had stated elsewhere Eclipse recommend Sun Java v5 and give no guarantees on other versions at this time (though they are looking for suitable experimental subjects :-) )....

Try NetBeans 6.0, release candidate 1 just came out: http://www.netbeans.org/community/releases/60/index.html -- "After the vintage season came the aftermath - and Cenbe." Glenn Holmer (Q-Link: ShadowM) http://www.lyonlabs.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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I'm with you, Glen. Eclipse 3.3 on openSuse 10.2 just sucks. I presume it would be the same on 10.3. I find nothing wrong with Java 1.6. I've been using 1.6 features for many months without ANY problems. The major problem with Eclipse is they ship their own jvm if I recall correctly. And stuff written to their jvm may not work on real Java. Secondly, if you want to create Swing components it starts an instance of the jvm for each JFrame -- which means your memory is gone in a big hurry. Swing development is really painfully S-L-O-W. I won't go into the issues with SWT which are fairly well documented elsewhere.

NB6, however, the daily builds of which I am sure both of us have been using extensively is a work of art. Consists of 100% Java. Makes Swing development a breeze. Runs on real Java and always the latest version. It doesn't get any better than that.

Unless you are MAC user on leopard with no 1.6 support.... :-)

Chuck

On 11/15/07, Glenn Holmer wrote:

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On Thursday 15 November 2007 10:14:39 G T Smith wrote:

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It may be fine for you, but others report issues with code written to earlier specs with 6. As I had stated elsewhere Eclipse recommend Sun Java v5 and give no guarantees on other versions at this time (though they are looking for suitable experimental subjects :-) ).... Try NetBeans 6.0, release candidate 1 just came out:

http://www.netbeans.org/community/releases/60/index.html

Chuck this is one hell of an extrapolation, Glenn, Netbeans is good for one thing and one thing only.. Java. And the original poster was interested in C++ development, and Java is just one the things I work with. Eclipse has support for C++/C, Perl, Python, Ruby, UML and the list goes on (there are several hundred plugins). (This is probably one of the reasons that moving the framework to 1.6 is slow, the platform is hugely diverse). I currently working on some Perl stuff on Eclipse, something you cannot do with Netbeans. No one computing language is a universal solution to all problems, so integrating them in a common cross platform framework is generally a good thing, Eclipse is probably the only open source based framework that can offer an alternative to MSs Visual Studio. BTW just because it has problem running on the the 1.6 JRE does not mean you cannot run it on the 1.5 JRE and develop in the 1.6 JRE. - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHPWA/asN0sSnLmgIRAsb1AJ4kXQOP7Hebkx+NoNYAlk91dEj8kgCffgwV UIaVPpbSOdIvZnT/Gju26Ao= =tlXk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Friday 16 November 2007 03:17:51 G T Smith wrote:

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Chuck Davis wrote:

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NB6, however, the daily builds of which I am sure both of us have been using extensively is a work of art. Consists of 100% Java. Makes Swing development a breeze. Runs on real Java and always the latest version. It doesn't get any better than that. Unless you are MAC user on leopard with no 1.6 support.... :-)

NetBeans 6 does not require Java 6, it runs just fine on Java 5.

Point missed I think... The point I am making is that the deployment of Java 6 across different platforms has not been exactly as smooth as say Java 5 which caused few issues. These things happen, such an observation is not a criticism of the technology involved. The main problem with building and deploying for the bleeding edge is you are restricting your target market to those who either have adopted the latest release, or feel that they are in a position to make the change. Many organisations and individuals take a conservative view on this kind of move. (The 'if it aint broke dont fix it school'). - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHPrClasN0sSnLmgIRAuLfAJ9BNkIwVNdx2d2UbShT7CBpDiBAIwCgvimJ W/Pz6QBxga+KTOVRDT9/BvA= =i4Gm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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On Saturday 17 November 2007 03:13:09 G T Smith wrote:

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Glenn Holmer wrote:

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On Friday 16 November 2007 03:17:51 G T Smith wrote:

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Chuck Davis wrote:

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NB6, however, the daily builds of which I am sure both of us have been using extensively is a work of art. Consists of 100% Java. Makes Swing development a breeze. Runs on real Java and always the latest version. It doesn't get any better than that. Unless you are MAC user on leopard with no 1.6 support.... :-) NetBeans 6 does not require Java 6, it runs just fine on Java 5. Point missed I think...

The point I am making is that the deployment of Java 6 across different platforms has not been exactly as smooth as say Java 5 which caused few issues.

http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t102936.html

Are you having problems with Java 6 on any other platforms?

Nope, mainly because at this moment in time I have no need to deploy it :-). There was a reported issue with the SuSE version that seems to have been contained (if not fixed)... I am also running a couple of things which just might get fritzed by such a deployment, and I do not want to let myself in for that kind of grief just now. If I upgrade to SuSE 10.3 and this has Java 6 as default this may become a problem (I have not checked whether this is the case or not). At the moment 10.2 is working well for me. Most of the improvements reported as part 10.3 are not relevant to my usage, and some of the reported problem areas are. So for the moment on balance there is not a great incentive for me to make such a move. This situation will change but not in the near future, and maybe my move will be to 11.0 and not 10.3... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHPtIPasN0sSnLmgIRAnPqAKDf1h5GjWXLDu7yNnji/8MtGyX4QACgvxpd wPdq3KQFiy1KV5wFIAR9xDA= =SxMZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Are you having problems with Java 6 on any other platforms?

Nope, mainly because at this moment in time I have no need to deploy it :-). There was a reported issue with the SuSE version that seems to have been contained (if not fixed)...

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After checking through the plugin dependencies I find that although majority of plugins in the J2EE tar are Ok with 5. Hoever, two JDT related plugins require 6, which is one of those left hand not knowing what the right is doing situations methinks. This should effect anyone not using Java, but I am bit uncertain of the impact on anyone working with Java without 6.... Now got to check the extra plugins I have installed did not realise how many I have seem to have accumulated ho hum... - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHQbEDasN0sSnLmgIRAsYxAKCRAL8FupwerUxGkunKHiWKoSTa4ACgl/w8 WJXDOLYKRxorYagTAFntBvg= =s1R4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Cristea Bogdan wrote:

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Sorry, I have not yet found time to give you the exact error (it's my home PC, not this one). Essentially I receive an error from java engine (I use java 1.6). Since java is a portable language, me too I am wondering why it does not work. Bogdan

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I have also a problem with eclipse 3.3 (with Jdk 1.6.0_u3). Eclipse freeze when I tried to load a file in the editor. But, strangely, this do not appear if my computer work offline. For the moment I have no idea how I can fix this.

CF

Actually I think the answer is rather simple... reading the Eclipse Docs they recommend Java 5 not 6, now a long time ago (Eclipse 2 days I think) I did for a while run Eclipse on an earlier version working with a later SDK. (The trick was to have the working JRE separate from the development JRE and SDK IIRC). You could do things like that then... Dunno what the situation for this is at the moment as I am working on some Perl stuff with EPIC and still enjoying the experience of working on Perl with a proper debugger (among other things) .. :-) - -- ============================================================================== I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone. Bjarne Stroustrup ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHPDUaasN0sSnLmgIRAn4tAJ9UjuC+NtuVLX3imj0eRq2VRqEvWwCeL6nl VRQq39yGhxosogmXGaCmJnw= =caAO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org