Hi, thanks for the quick reply (don't you sleep or what? :) ) OK to SaX2 ... I can see the driver loaded: -- # lsmod | grep nvidia nvidia 11114068 38 -- So how do I tell it to use the GPU and not the CPU for the graphical stuff? Thanks / Gracias, Martin ----- Original Message ----

From: Carlos E. R. To: oS-en Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 2:56:56 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] First impressions on OpenSUSE 11.3: 11.0 was better...

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On 2010-07-30 02:29, Martin Mielke wrote:

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* SaX2 is missing in action - if not, please tell me where to find it as YaST2

Removed from distro.

...

* OpenGL screensavers won't start at all and, as a Hellraiser fan, I'm missing

...

KLament =:-) and many other OpenGL ones...

* all the nice Composite effects (wobbly windows, transparencies, etc) are gone

...

and the error message is:

The propietary nvidia driver is not active in your system.

...

maybe someone can shed some light and tell me why the X-server is eating up

...

between 40% and 70% CPU all the time in average...

Guessing: because it has to draw all the effects in CPU instead of using the GPU.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

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On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:31:08 Martin Mielke wrote:

Hi,

thanks for the quick reply (don't you sleep or what? :) )

OK to SaX2 ...

I can see the driver loaded: -- # lsmod | grep nvidia nvidia 11114068 38 --

So how do I tell it to use the GPU and not the CPU for the graphical stuff?

Thanks / Gracias,

Martin

I understand that you have to disable KVM and set "nomodeset" at boot time for the proprietary nvidia driver to load. You may also have the blacklist the nouveau driver. There have been previous messages on the list with instructions on how to do this - search the archives and you'll find them. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =========================================== ======== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 07/29/2010 08:22 PM, Rodney Baker wrote:

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I understand that you have to disable KVM and set "nomodeset" at boot time for the proprietary nvidia driver to load. You may also have the blacklist the nouveau driver. There have been

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 16:01:15 David C. Rankin wrote: previous messages on the list with

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instructions on how to do this - search the archives and you'll find them.

Umm, isn't that KMS??

Yes. Got my TLA's mixed up. I'm still running 2.6.33 on my desktop - I never resolved the 2.6.34 not booting issue (more from lack of time and motivation than anything else) so I haven't had to worry about it. Besides, if I upgrade my kernel then I'll have to recompile the custom v4l2 drivers and libs that I need to support my DVB-T card and that is not something that I fancy doing. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =========================================== ======== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 20:07, David C. Rankin wrote:

On 08/05/2010 08:31 AM, Rodney Baker wrote:

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Yes. Got my TLA's mixed up. I'm still running 2.6.33 on my desktop - I never resolved the 2.6.34 not booting issue (more from lack of time and motivation than anything else) so I haven't had to worry about it. Besides, if I upgrade my kernel then I'll have to recompile the custom v4l2 drivers and libs that I need to support my DVB-T card and that is not something that I fancy doing.

No S....

       I have the exact same problem with 2.6.34 and my radeon card in my laptop. 2.6.34 will boot exactly *once* after the initramfs is built, but starting with boot No.2 on, the laptop hardlocks on boot with 2.6.34. It works wonderfully with 2.6.33. I have a bug report open at Arch Linux on the issue. I haven't loaded suse on this laptop yet.

       The hardlock during boot occurs immediately after the loading modules line (obviously it is a module issue) and with the move of more modules into the kernel, it has become a kernel issue. So when I boot 2.6.34, I get to the point where the boot message "Configuring console for UTF-8 mode" is showing and then box just freezes. (load modules is one or two lines before and since boot operates in parallel mode, whatever is locking the box lets me get one or two more lines down the boot process before freezing.

       Let me know if you find anything out and I'll do the same as I get more info from the bug at flyspray...

If you've got an 11.3 install that's hard locking or showing random CPU at 100%... have you tried 2.6.35 from Kernel Head? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Kernel:/HEAD/openSUSE_11.3/ I ask because I had similar problems and they all went away with 2.6.35. I went to 2.6.35 for other reasons (it fixes a bug in the kernel that affected games in Wine/Cedega/CXGames (eg StarCraft2 and World of Warcraft)... the side effect was that 11.3 started behaving well.. no more lockups. So.. if this solves the prob, then there might be a clue in the change log between 2.6.34 and 2.6.35? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday July 29 2010, Rodney Baker wrote:

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I understand that you have to disable KVM and set "nomodeset" at boot time for the proprietary nvidia driver to load. You may also have the blacklist the nouveau driver. There have been previous messages on the list with instructions on how to do this - search the archives and you'll find them.

I don't know what "nomodeset" is supposed to do, but my nVidia driver loads and works fine with or without it. However, I need to give "vmalloc=192M" to make it

Without it there's a chance it will start, but a slim one, and when it does there are frequent debilitating

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 22:57:13 Randall R Schulz wrote: possible for the X server to start. pauses when nothing at all happens

in user-level code and the kernel soaks up all the CPU and inhibits all other execution (apparently).

...

Rodney Baker

Randall Schulz

+1. I had to set vmalloc on both my laptop (Intel 845GM) and my desktop (nvidia, set to 256MB) for the same reason - without it, no X. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =========================================== ======== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 15:27, Randall R Schulz wrote:

I don't know what "nomodeset" is supposed to do, but my nVidia driver loads and works fine with or without it. However, I need to give "vmalloc=192M" to make it possible for the X server to start. Without it there's a chance it will start, but a slim one, and when it does there are frequent debilitating pauses when nothing at all happens in user-level code and the kernel soaks up all the CPU and inhibits all other execution (apparently).

For what it's worth, that problem (the frequent debilitating pauses) is fixed- or seems to be - in kernel 2.6.35. As soon as I bumped up to 2.6.35... those issues went away. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 17:03, Randall R Schulz wrote:

On Thursday August 5 2010, C wrote:

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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 15:27, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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I don't know what "nomodeset" is supposed to do, but my nVidia driver loads and works fine with or without it. However, I need to give "vmalloc=192M" to make it possible for the X server to start. Without it there's a chance it will start, but a slim one, and when it does there are frequent debilitating pauses when nothing at all happens in user-level code and the kernel soaks up all the CPU and inhibits all other execution (apparently).

For what it's worth, that problem (the frequent debilitating pauses) is fixed- or seems to be - in kernel 2.6.35.  As soon as I bumped up to 2.6.35... those issues went away.

My understanding is that each openSUSE release picks a particular kernel and stays with it, so unless someone back-ports that bug-fix, it's not going to do 11.3 users any good. At least not those who draw the line at compiling their own kernels.

Thus my.. for what it's worth comment ;-) Also.. I didn't compile my own.. just installed the 2.6.35 kernel from the openSUSE Kernel:Head repo. Whatever the bug is, it's rather bad... it makes using 11.3 impossible... or at the very least very annoying... and it's been fixed. I don't know how to identify the "fix" to request a backport to 2.6.34. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Friday 30 Jul 2010 02:01:08 Martin Mielke wrote:

Hi,

thanks for the quick reply (don't you sleep or what? :) )

OK to SaX2 ...

I can see the driver loaded: -- # lsmod | grep nvidia nvidia 11114068 38 --

So how do I tell it to use the GPU and not the CPU for the graphical stuff?

Thanks / Gracias,

Martin

----- Original Message ----

...

From: Carlos E. R. To: oS-en Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 2:56:56 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] First impressions on OpenSUSE 11.3: 11.0 was better...

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On 2010-07-30 02:29, Martin Mielke wrote:

...

* SaX2 is missing in action - if not, please tell me where to find it as

YaST2

Removed from distro.

...

* OpenGL screensavers won't start at all and, as a Hellraiser fan, I'm

missing

...

KLament =:-) and many other OpenGL ones...

* all the nice Composite effects (wobbly windows, transparencies, etc) are

gone

...

and the error message is: The propietary nvidia driver is not active in your system.

...

maybe someone can shed some light and tell me why the X-server is eating up

between 40% and 70% CPU all the time in average...

Guessing: because it has to draw all the effects in CPU instead of using the

GPU.

- -- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar))

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Try nvidia-xconfig as root Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.3, Kernel 2.6.34.12-desktop, KDE 4.4.4 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Thursday 29 July 2010 21:16:47 Felix Miata wrote: <snip> , so yesterday my most heavily used 11.0 box became a 11.2 box,

and, with the exception of Amarok & K3B, still using KDE3. So far, 11.2 is doing no worse than 11.0 did. One preliminary indication is that apps using Flash seem to be consuming less RAM in 11.2 than in 11.0. -- Felix, Did you install both KDE3 & KDE4 in your 11.2 ??

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On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Bob Ewart wrote:

I've been using SuSE for since 6.3 and now have an nVidia GeForce 8400 GS card driving dual screens.  I just switched to 11.3 from 11.0 and have had no success with setting up dual screens.

I setup twinview dual screen using nVidia proprietary driver (256.35) in 11.3 KDE 4.4.4, generate xorg.conf and add some lines below in Section "Screen": Option "TwinView" "True" Option "RenderAccel" "True" Option "TwinViewOrientation" "LeftOf" Option "ConnectedMonitor" "FPD,FPD" Option "MetaModes" "nvidia-auto-select, nvidia-auto-select" I'm using nVidia GeForce 9400M. -- medwinz ======================= http://medwinz.blogsome.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

[...] Basically they are saying that KDE 4 doesn't really support a dual screen setup and that

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:01:26 Bob Ewart wrote: there is no one to work on it or maintain it.

They're wrong - I've been using it with dual screens since 4.0.4 and it works perfectly (provided you don't want to stretch one panel across both screens). The thing is that each screen has a separate desktop activity with its own plasma setup (I haven't tried it with a plain i.e. non-plasma setup) but if you don't mind this (and I don't) then I can't find any other drawbacks. In fact, I kind of like it like that because I can have separate backgrounds on each screen (it just so happens that they're photos of my kids). I use an nvidia 9400GT with the latest binary drivers and have xinerama setup in my xorg.conf file. I have had the same setup since 3.5.8 (previously using an FX5500). I do think that performance may have been slightly better with the 195.36 drivers than the current 265.xx drivers but I haven't yet switched back to confirm that. Anyway, the point is that dual-head on nvidia on KDE4 works great. Anyone who says it can't be done should go back and re-read the nvidia docs. -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =========================================== ======== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

...or at least partially... after banging my head against the screens (the wall hurts more :P) I removed all nVidia-related stuff from my PC and started over by restoring the original xorg.conf file (backed up as xorg.conf.install) Added the nVidia repos to YaST2 and installed nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-default-256.35_k2.6.34.0_12-14.1.x86_64 and x11-video-nvidiaG02-256.35-15.1.x86_64. After the first XDM restart I only had one active screen with an ugly resolution... then I just executed, as root of course: nvidia-xconfig --twinview to enable TwinView... no trace of Xinerama at all... and then: /etc/init.d/xdm stop and again: /etc/init.d/xdm start and it works !! dual-head is enabled, the Xorg process isn't eatting up the CPU as before, the Composite effects are enabled, etc... there are still some minor glitches, like the "wobbly windows" effect not working 100% smooth by now, but I can always deactivate that and enjoy the rest... I assume that the "--twinview" above did the trick, at least for my scenario, so we can state that KDE4 is capable of dual-head and TwinView... I haven't tried Xinerama yet but TwinView seems to perform better... so I won't give it a chance at all... :-) Anyway, here's my xorg.conf file for the sake of completeness: -- # cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig # nvidia-xconfig: version 256.35 (buildmeister@builder97.nvidia.com) Wed Jun 16 19:15:05 PDT 2010 Section "ServerLayout" Identifier "Layout" Screen "vboxvideo" 0 0 Screen "vmware" 0 0 Screen "cirrus" 0 0 Screen "fbdev" 0 0 Screen "vesa" 0 0 InputDevice "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard" InputDevice "Mouse0" "CorePointer" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from default Identifier "Keyboard0" Driver "keyboard" EndSection Section "InputDevice" # generated from default Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/psaux" Option "Emulate3Buttons" "no" Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" EndSection Section "Monitor" Identifier "Monitor0" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" HorizSync 28.0 - 33.0 VertRefresh 43.0 - 72.0 Option "DPMS" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "vboxvideo" Driver "nvidia" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "vmware" Driver "nvidia" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "cirrus" Driver "nvidia" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "fbdev" Driver "nvidia" EndSection Section "Device" Identifier "vesa" Driver "nvidia" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "vboxvideo" Device "vboxvideo" Monitor "Monitor0" Option "TwinView" "True" Option "MetaModes" "nvidia-auto-select, nvidia-auto-select" SubSection "Display" Modes "nvidia-auto-select" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "vmware" Device "vmware" Monitor "Monitor0" Option "TwinView" "True" Option "MetaModes" "nvidia-auto-select, nvidia-auto-select" SubSection "Display" Modes "nvidia-auto-select" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "cirrus" Device "cirrus" Monitor "Monitor0" Option "TwinView" "True" Option "MetaModes" "nvidia-auto-select, nvidia-auto-select" SubSection "Display" Modes "nvidia-auto-select" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "fbdev" Device "fbdev" Monitor "Monitor0" Option "TwinView" "True" Option "MetaModes" "nvidia-auto-select, nvidia-auto-select" SubSection "Display" Modes "nvidia-auto-select" EndSubSection EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier "vesa" Device "vesa" Monitor "Monitor0" Option "TwinView" "True" Option "MetaModes" "nvidia-auto-select, nvidia-auto-select" SubSection "Display" Modes "nvidia-auto-select" EndSubSection EndSection -- Regards, Martin ----- Original Message ----

From: Martin Mielke To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 4:30:10 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] First impressions on OpenSUSE 11.3: 11.0 was better...

Hi,

in fact, KDE4 can smoothly do dual-head + Xinerama. I had it up & running in the not-so-distant past with OpenSUSE 11.0 + KDE4.x (can't remember now what "x" was) so that's why I was so annoyed when I saw that

it won't work as smooth (or even better!) on 11.3 ...

Anyway, I'll try some other combinations when I go back home this afternoon and

I'll keep you posted. Yesterday night I was able to have all the missing KDE4

effects and use the nVidia GPU using a one-monitor-only configuration... when I

turned Xinerama on and restarted X the magic vanished... :-/ so I guess I'm getting closer. Posts like this one http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=69166 might shed some light...

Regards, Martin

----- Original Message ----

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From: Rodney Baker To: opensuse@opensuse.org Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 4:03:08 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] First impressions on OpenSUSE 11.3: 11.0 was better...

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:01:26 Bob Ewart wrote:

...

[...] Basically they are saying that KDE 4 doesn't really support a dual screen setup and that there is no one to work on it or maintain it.

They're wrong - I've been using it with dual screens since 4.0.4 and it works perfectly (provided you don't want to stretch one panel across both screens).

The thing is that each screen has a separate desktop activity with its own plasma setup (I haven't tried it with a plain i.e. non-plasma setup) but if you don't mind this (and I don't) then I can't find any other drawbacks.

In fact, I kind of like it like that because I can have separate backgrounds on each screen (it just so happens that they're photos of my kids).

I use an nvidia 9400GT with the latest binary drivers and have xinerama setup in my xorg.conf file. I have had the same setup since 3.5.8 (previously using an FX5500).

I do think that performance may have been slightly better with the 195.36 drivers than the current 265.xx drivers but I haven't yet switched back to confirm that.

Anyway, the point is that dual-head on nvidia on KDE4 works great. Anyone who says it can't be done should go back and re-read the nvidia docs.

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