On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

Op dinsdag 3 februari 2015 10:58:07 schreef cagsm:

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Recently completed a clean install of 13.2 amd-64 and the other day zypper up wanted to remove a whole list of packages. I wonder why. Is the project switching stuff in midstream or early during product life cycle, or changing their minds or how come? thanks. The following 6 applications are going to be REMOVED: Ark Dolphin KGpg Marble Showfoto digiKam This is caused by a bug in zypper or a zypper library. Nothing will be removed. Note the mentioning of applications instead of packages. No packages will be removed that contain these applications.

I think it is also because I have checked into the spelling of all those packages and many packages changed from capital starting letters into complete lowercase and such stuff. I do wonder about the philosophy of naming the packages and programs and who and why it gets decided to be changed after release or why these things change so often as I have observed similar things in the past opensuse releases as well every now and then. Weird. it is now for example: digikam-4.6.0-13.23.x86_64 digikam-doc-4.6.0-13.23.noarch dolphin-14.12.1-8.21.x86_64 kgpg-14.12.1-8.1.x86_64 plasma-addons-marble-4.14.3-12.6.x86_64 libmarblewidget20-14.12.1-8.8.x86_64 marble-data-14.12.1-8.8.noarch libmarblewidget19-4.14.3-4.3.x86_64 marble-14.12.1-8.8.x86_64 marble-doc-14.12.1-8.8.noarch and it was differently spelt before I think -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

No. The package names have not been changed. Only a new type Application has been introduced (not properly) in zypper. If anything changes in the packages that belong to these applications you will see that the message that the application will be removed, which in fact is not the case. So just ignore the messages about applications, they are bogus.

Okay then, thanks for the details. This reminds me of a lot of times that I have seen that some chmod and access rights messages get displayed every now and then during zypper up or zypper dup times that always made me wonder if file access rights and paradigms of path names and executable bits and all that change so often in opensuse only or in linuxland in general that those messages get displayed. Somehow I can still not really recommend linux to newbies up to this day as I have often heard back from linux newbies and I also cannot explain them all those warning messages and reasons and they do ask me if the situation if those file rights warnings come up at a certain point of time, if their system has been kind of vulnerable or mis-configured in what ways. Maybe open source stuff is transparent and all and everything is obviously always evolving and changing, but sometimes one does wonder if software guys are constantly reinventing everything over or changing their minds and even changing fundamental things such as file and directory rights and properties and so on. Thank you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org

Op dinsdag 3 februari 2015 12:30:44 schreef jdd:

Le 03/02/2015 12:09, cagsm a écrit :

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displayed every now and then during zypper up or zypper dup times that always made me wonder if file access rights and paradigms of path names and executable bits and all that change so often in opensuse only or in linuxland in general that those messages get displayed. Somehow I can still not really recommend linux to newbies up to this

nawbies should not have to use zypper...

jdd

Standard is that they use some form of apper, which does not show these messages about changing rights, but apper shows these false messages about removing applications. -- fr.gr. member openSUSE Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org