These days I am buying CDs and ripping them with grip. I'm thinking of joining the Rhapsody online music service for my Sandisk mp3 player. Of course, what kills it for me is DRM. A sliver of hope comes from the ability to burn "purchased" songs to a CD. I have even seen Windows-only utilities to create a virtual CD (an ISO image, I assume), then rip mp3s from that. 1) Is there an available Linux program to do the same thing? 2) I've heard that the journey from the DRM protected content to a CD to mp3 is not a pleasant one musically. I'm not totally happy with the sampling rate of standard mp3 generally, although I live with it for the convenience of having all those tunes in my shirt pocket and on my hard drive. I'm not in much of a mood for further degradation from removing the DRM. Does anyone have any experience with this? I suppose I could try it out and see, since there is a free trial, but I'm hoping someone else has been through the process. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tim Hanson wrote:
A sliver of hope comes from the ability to burn "purchased" songs to a CD. I have even seen Windows-only utilities to create a virtual CD (an ISO image, I assume), then rip mp3s from that.
1) Is there an available Linux program to do the same thing?
I don't know, but if not, you could always burn to a CD-RW disk and then rip from it. That's what I do with my iTunes downloads. It can't be an ISO image, because ISO only handles data CDs; it must be some other image format.
2) I've heard that the journey from the DRM protected content to a CD to mp3 is not a pleasant one musically. I'm not totally happy with the sampling rate of standard mp3 generally, although I live with it for the convenience of having all those tunes in my shirt pocket and on my hard drive. I'm not in much of a mood for further degradation from removing the DRM.
I don't have any experience with the service you're using. My experience with iTunes downloads has been good, though. I'm not an audiophile, but I do care about artifacts, and I haven't noticed that what I get from iTunes sounds any worse than what I get on CD. I would definitely recommend bumping the MP3 sampling rate above the 128 kbps that most people seem to think is standard, though. I used a short music clip to audition various sample rates and encoders and settled on LAME at 160 kbps as a good compromise for my tastes. I'm sure someone will jump in now and explain to us why MP3 is evil and we should use Ogg/Vorbis. ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 09 April 2007 13:05, David Brodbeck wrote:
Tim Hanson wrote:
I don't know, but if not, you could always burn to a CD-RW disk and then rip from it. That's what I do with my iTunes downloads.
How do you get from the download to the CD? Is there specific software that you use? I've heard there is some Windows/Mac software, but that Linux programs, or using wine to run the iTunes program, are mostly lame.
I don't have any experience with the service you're using. My experience with iTunes downloads has been good, though.
Rhapsody is Real's online music service. I got the promo when I bought my SanDisk player.
I'm sure someone will jump in now and explain to us why MP3 is evil and we should use Ogg/Vorbis. ;)
I know... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tim Hanson wrote:
I don't know, but if not, you could always burn to a CD-RW disk and then rip from it. That's what I do with my iTunes downloads.
How do you get from the download to the CD? Is there specific software that you use? I've heard there is some Windows/Mac software, but that Linux programs, or using wine to run the iTunes program, are mostly lame.
I just burn it using iTunes, under Windows. I realize this doesn't help if you have a Windows-free system, but if you have that you're probably not using iTunes anyway. ;) Isn't Rhapsody a subscription service, as opposed to a service where you actually buy music? Or am I thinking of Napster? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 09 April 2007 13:50, David Brodbeck wrote:
Tim Hanson wrote:
I don't know, but if not, you could always burn to a CD-RW disk and then rip from it. That's what I do with my iTunes downloads.
How do you get from the download to the CD? Is there specific software that you use? I've heard there is some Windows/Mac software, but that Linux programs, or using wine to run the iTunes program, are mostly lame.
I just burn it using iTunes, under Windows. I realize this doesn't help if you have a Windows-free system, but if you have that you're probably not using iTunes anyway. ;)
Isn't Rhapsody a subscription service, as opposed to a service where you actually buy music? Or am I thinking of Napster?
Rhapsody has a subscription service, but they provide software (guess which OS) that allows one to "purchase" content, as long as one doesn't mind using Windows or a Mac and is okay with DRM content ( three subscribers at last count, I think). There is an option to burn a CD, I have VMWare somewhere around here, which I used to run Windows 2000 at one point, but it fell into disuse. With my clean install of 10.2 I haven't bothered to reinstall it. I also have Crossover, which I use to run Quicken (which hastened the demise of my VMWare partition). I'll poke around the Wine site to see if anyone has tried using the Rhapsody software. I may get some hits. The SanDisk is considered "Linux Friendly" since it can be put into a mode that turns it into a usb drive, allowing straight copies to it without software other than a file manager or the cp command. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 09 April 2007 16:15, Tim Hanson wrote:
Rhapsody has a subscription service, but they provide software (guess which OS) that allows one to "purchase" content, as long as one doesn't mind using Windows or a Mac and is okay with DRM content ( three subscribers at last count, I think). There is an option to burn a CD,
They have Linux software. I was able to browse the service and listen tunes, but I can't say anything about burning. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Basically, the main question is: Which format to use, to emulate an Audio CD on Linux? For normal Data CD, ISO does fine, but for emulating of multisession and Audio CDs we need something else... On Windows, this is no problem because Nero has it's own format called .NRG which addresses all those needs. On Linux, I see potentially the raw format taking the place... such as: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cdrom.raw What do you think? -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
For normal Data CD, ISO does fine, but for emulating of multisession and Audio CDs we need something else...
On Windows, this is no problem because Nero has it's own format called .NRG which addresses all those needs.
On Linux, I see potentially the raw format taking the place...
such as: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cdrom.raw
What do you think?
I don't think that will work. You can't just read an audio CD-ROM like it's a block device, because it isn't really. This is why programs like cdparanoia have to jump through such hoops to extract the audio. Traditionally on Linux an audio CD would be represented as a pile of WAV files and a text file called a cue sheet that gives information such as the track listing, inter-track gaps, etc. There may be other formats, but I don't have any experience with them. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
a. Well, actually I can't hear any quality loss between 256 kbps and 128 kbps MP3, and so I have converted MP3 128 to WMA-48 , which *theoretically* loses some quality, but then again, I didn't hear any quality difference and it was high. I was only able to hear some quality loss when tried to compress aggressively into WMA-32-kbps. I have tested all quality options from WMA-32 to WMA-128 and decided to stick for WMA-48. So, I presume it only depends on you (and your ears) - check several encoding options with different qualities, and if you don't hear any difference, then use more aggressive compression. b. KDE Konqueror theoretically supports Audio CD ripping on-the-fly. Never tried that. So mount your ISO image with mount command (or get some GUI) and use Konqueror to rip. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Alexey Eremenko wrote:
b. KDE Konqueror theoretically supports Audio CD ripping on-the-fly. Never tried that.
works (from cd)
So mount your ISO image with mount command (or get some GUI) and use Konqueror to rip.
it's not an iso image... on windows, nero can do the image (select the image writer), but I never tried with audiocd jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Lucien Dodin, inventeur http://lucien.dodin.net/index.shtml -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Alexey Eremenko
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David Brodbeck
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jdd
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Rajko M.
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Tim Hanson