----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Rey" Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:38 PM On Thursday 16 January 2003 06:39, Linux World 999 wrote:

SuSE 8.1 is running on a PC. The software was installed from scratch and has been running without problems. On SuSe's update site, there is a new Kernel for Athlon processors. Yast2 installed K_Athalon kernel as the default kernel.

Using Yast, the new Kernel from SuSE's site was installed. After installation, a message box requested that the PC be rebooted. But now, SuSE does not start. On the Grub screen, chossing Linux starts the initial boot process. All goes well until the X-Server log in screen appears. At this point the PC hangs with a blank black screen.

Do any other packages have to re-installed or has a critical step been missed?

Any help welcome.

LW999

Let me guess! You have an Nvidia card with the nvidia drivers installed? If this is the case you'll most likely have to reinstall the preveious kernel and then remove all pieces of the nvidia kernel and glx drivers.

You are right about the nvidia drivers.

If this is indeed the case then go to:

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Nvidia-OpenGL-Configuration/instnvidia.html

and focus on the part about removing the libGL* and the libglx parts from the various. I had a similar problem and had a hard time getting the system to setup the nvidia 3D packages. In fact I backdated the drivers to the 3123 version offered by YOU using YaST to install them.

Will try this tonight and let you know how the result.

HTH, let us know if this is or isn't the problem. Curtis.

P.S. The new kernel version has a script that runs mk_initrd, but I don't know if the previous version does the same (it most likely does) but usint YaST to install it should cover that base.

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One of the things you might try is to look at the "change log" for these respective kernels, I take it they are the Mantel kernels. Also compare these to the ones at kernel.org to see what the vanilla kernels have. You could email Mantel about this as well, you'ld be surprised, I have done this with a couple of the developers for Linus' team and they have replied. This might get you some direction about what to do and it may also give them a heads up to issue they may or may not have been aware of. Finally you could write down how every thing in fstab is layed out as far was what device has what partitions, e.g. /dev/hdb10 = / (root) and /dev/hdbx , or hdy etc.. = /home or /usr/ and so forth. This way if you find that your completely stumped and want to start from scratch you can re-install with out formatting or just format the root drive, providing the you lay out won't hose your user account directory and/or other directories like /usr or what ever has programs or data you don't want to lose. This would be a last resort. I have had to do this on a few occasions and It's not really good insofar as Linux is designed to be recoverable - but doing so may take a certain amount of skill - the more I use and learn the less this option is considered because I have figure out how to fix things. Or, you could try to reinstall the old kernel or do an "update where in you will probably need to update some core packages (or it won't think your actually updating) and then repatch/patch update whatever needs to be brought up to current. You should copy the messages from files such as ".xsession-errors", "/var/log/kdm.log", " /var/log/XFree86.log" "/var/log/warn" or anything else that you find pertinent in the "/var/log" directory and repost. This way I or others on the list can get a better idea about whats going. It would look something like this: (II) Loading sub module "xaa" (II) LoadModule: "xaa" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libxaa.a (II) Module xaa: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) Loading sub module "ramdac" (II) LoadModule: "ramdac" (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libramdac.a (II) Module ramdac: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.2.0, module version = 0.1.0 ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5 (II) do I need RAC? No, I don't. (II) resource ranges after preInit: [0] 0 0xddc80000 - 0xddcfffff (0x80000) MX[B] [1] 0 0xd8000000 - 0xdbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B] [2] 0 0xde000000 - 0xdeffffff (0x1000000) MX[B] [3] -1 0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B) [4] -1 0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B) [5] -1 0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B] [6] -1 0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B] [7] -1 0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B] [8] -1 0xdfff7e00 - 0xdfff7eff (0x100) MX[B] [9] -1 0xdfff7f00 - 0xdfff7fff (0x100) MX[B] [10] -1 0xdfffc000 - 0xdfffffff (0x4000) MX[B] [11] -1 0xe0000000 - 0xe7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B] [12] -1 0xdfef0000 - 0xdfefffff (0x10000) MX[B](B) [13] -1 0xddc80000 - 0xddcfffff (0x80000) MX[B](B) [14] -1 0xd8000000 - 0xdbffffff (0x4000000) MX[B](B) [15] -1 0xde000000 - 0xdeffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B) [16] 0 0x000a0000 - 0x000affff (0x10000) MS[B](OprD) [17] 0 0x000b0000 - 0x000b7fff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [18] 0 0x000b8000 - 0x000bffff (0x8000) MS[B](OprD) [19] -1 0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B] [20] -1 0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B] [21] -1 0x0000bc00 - 0x0000bc1f (0x20) IX[B] [22] -1 0x0000c000 - 0x0000c01f (0x20) IX[B] [23] -1 0x0000c400 - 0x0000c4ff (0x100) IX[B] [24] -1 0x0000c800 - 0x0000c81f (0x20) IX[B] [25] -1 0x0000cc00 - 0x0000cc1f (0x20) IX[B] [26] -1 0x0000fc00 - 0x0000fc0f (0x10) IX[B] [27] -1 0x0000d800 - 0x0000d80f (0x10) IX[B] [28] -1 0x0000dc00 - 0x0000dc03 (0x4) IX[B] [29] -1 0x0000e000 - 0x0000e007 (0x8) IX[B] [30] -1 0x0000e400 - 0x0000e403 (0x4) IX[B] [31] -1 0x0000e800 - 0x0000e807 (0x8) IX[B] [32] -1 0x0000d000 - 0x0000d007 (0x8) IX[B] [33] -1 0x0000d400 - 0x0000d41f (0x20) IX[B] [34] 0 0x000003b0 - 0x000003bb (0xc) IS[B](OprU) [35] 0 0x000003c0 - 0x000003df (0x20) IS[B](OprU) (II) NVIDIA(0): AGP 4X successfully initialized (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "1280x1024" (II) NVIDIA(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) Screen to screen bit blits Solid filled rectangles Solid filled trapezoids 8x8 mono pattern filled rectangles 8x8 mono pattern filled trapezoids Indirect CPU to Screen color expansion Solid Lines Scanline Image Writes Offscreen Pixmaps Driver provided FillSolidRects replacement Driver provided FillSolidSpans replacement Driver provided FillMono8x8PatternRects replacement Driver provided WritePixmap replacement Driver provided ReadPixmap replacement Setting up tile and stipple cache: 20 128x128 slots 5 256x256 slots (==) NVIDIA(0): Backing store disabled (==) NVIDIA(0): Silken mouse enabled (**) Option "dpms" (**) NVIDIA(0): DPMS enabled (II) Loading extension NV-GLX (II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL (II) Initializing built-in extension MIT-SHM (II) Initializing built-in extension XInputExtension (II) Initializing built-in extension XTEST (II) Initializing built-in extension XKEYBOARD (II) Initializing built-in extension LBX (II) Initializing built-in extension XC-APPGROUP (II) Initializing built-in extension SECURITY (II) Initializing built-in extension XINERAMA (II) Initializing built-in extension XFree86-Bigfont (II) Initializing built-in extension RENDER (II) [GLX]: Calling GlxExtensionInit (II) Keyboard "Keyboard[0]" handled by legacy driver (**) Option "Protocol" "imps/2" (**) Mouse[1]: Protocol: "imps/2" (**) Option "CorePointer" (**) Mouse[1]: Core Pointer (**) Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" (**) Option "Buttons" "8" (**) Mouse[1]: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (**) Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5" (**) Mouse[1]: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (**) Mouse[1]: Buttons: 8 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Mouse[1]" (type: MOUSE) or something like this: Jan 17 05:28:33 linux kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Jan 17 05:28:33 linux kernel: ip_conntrack (4095 buckets, 32760 max) Jan 17 05:28:33 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports Jan 17 05:28:33 linux last message repeated 3 times Jan 17 05:28:33 linux kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x46d/0xc207) is not claimed by any active driver. Jan 17 05:28:33 linux kernel: usb.c: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x46d/0xc025) is not claimed by any active driver. Jan 17 05:28:33 linux kernel: sg_attach: dev0=(21:0) Jan 17 05:28:33 linux kernel: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Jan 17 05:28:33 linux kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Jan 17 05:28:40 linux kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Jan 17 05:28:41 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c52750c0, burb c5275240 Jan 17 05:28:41 linux last message repeated 3 times Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 66 Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 68 Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 70 Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 72 Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 74 Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 76 Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 78 Jan 17 05:28:52 linux kernel: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVdriver Kernel Module 1.0-3123 Tue Aug 27 15:56:48 PDT 2002 Jan 17 15:52:09 linux kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team Jan 17 15:52:09 linux kernel: ip_conntrack (4095 buckets, 32760 max) Jan 17 15:52:09 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports Jan 17 15:52:09 linux last message repeated 3 times Jan 17 15:52:09 linux kernel: usb.c: USB device 2 (vend/prod 0x46d/0xc207) is not claimed by any active driver. Jan 17 15:52:09 linux kernel: usb.c: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x46d/0xc025) is not claimed by any active driver. Jan 17 15:52:09 linux kernel: sg_attach: dev0=(21:0) Jan 17 15:52:09 linux kernel: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0 Jan 17 15:52:09 linux kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/32x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray Jan 17 15:52:16 linux kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout Jan 17 15:52:17 linux kernel: usb-uhci.c: ENXIO 84000280, flags 0, urb c523a140, burb c523a240 Jan 17 15:52:17 linux last message repeated 3 times Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 66 Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 68 Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 70 Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 72 Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 74 Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 76 Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request queue (0) Jan 17 15:52:20 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 78 Jan 17 15:52:27 linux kernel: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVdriver Kernel Module 1.0-3123 Tue Aug 27 15:56:48 PDT 2002 This is what most of the real propeller heads here need to get a real idea about whats happening (bless them all). They really can't help you if they don't know whats going on. They rely on these things to service and tweak their own systems so up 'till now you post have probably been a little to vague for them to help. These logs are from the /var/log directory and tell about whats happening with both your Xserver and the general manner in which devices are being utilized or failing. You will notice some like the (EE) or (WW) for Error or Warn revolving aroung the nvidia drivers and the external USB device that's having problems will mostly like be fairly obvious in the file output, it might looks similar to this: "Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev 16:40 (hdd), sector 64 Jan 17 05:28:44 linux kernel: ide-scsi: hdd: unsupported command in request ." You could cut/paste these outputs into a post of if you have a good Idea you can cut it down and say something like "the nvidia drivers fail to load in X with this message" and just post the couple of lines of output (rather then a long list of repeating or redundant lines) Take a look at the error output and the changelogs for the kernel and see what you can find and then repost. Cheers and HTH, Curtis. On Friday 17 January 2003 06:11, Linux World 999 wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Linux World 999" Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:11 PM

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Curtis Rey" Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:38 PM

On Thursday 16 January 2003 06:39, Linux World 999 wrote:

...

SuSE 8.1 is running on a PC. The software was installed from scratch

and

...

...

has been running without problems. On SuSe's update site, there is a

new

...

...

Kernel for Athlon processors. Yast2 installed K_Athalon kernel as the default kernel.

<snip>

...

...

Let me guess! You have an Nvidia card with the nvidia drivers installed?

If

...

this is the case you'll most likely have to reinstall the preveious

kernel

...

...

and then remove all pieces of the nvidia kernel and glx drivers.

You are right about the nvidia drivers.

...

If this is indeed the case then go to:

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/mini/Nvidia-OpenGL-Configuration/instnvidia.html

and focus on the part about removing the libGL* and the libglx parts from

the

...

various. I had a similar problem and had a hard time getting the system

to

...

...

setup the nvidia 3D packages. In fact I backdated the drivers to the

3123

...

...

version offered by YOU using YaST to install them.

Will try this tonight and let you know how the result.

...

HTH, let us know if this is or isn't the problem. Curtis.

<snip>

Using the "nv" drivers, the kernel update installed correctly. However, the new kernel does not recognise the external USB2 & firewire drives. In light of this, the old kernel was "restored".

Any other ideas?

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