[opensuse] good system fonts but ugly in firefox
I've installed openSUSE 11.2 w. GNOME to give it a try. I enabled fonts "Subpixel smoothing" and set it to "slight" in Appearance applet. This gave me quite nice system, documents and application fonts. Everything looks fine except Firefox. Firefox application fonts are ugly. And they do not change no matter what my system settings/fonts are. Firefox page rendering fonts are even worse. Changing fonts in Firefox preferences from default to any other available (including MS) fonts does not provide any significant improvement. I'm not having such trouble in Ubuntu. Googled it half a day without much result. Any suggestions, please? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/12/30 18:56 (GMT) Vitorio Okio composed:
I've installed openSUSE 11.2 w. GNOME to give it a try. I enabled fonts "Subpixel smoothing" and set it to "slight" in Appearance applet. This gave me quite nice system, documents and application fonts.
Everything looks fine except Firefox.
Firefox application fonts are ugly. And they do not change no matter what my system settings/fonts are.
Firefox page rendering fonts are even worse. Changing fonts in Firefox preferences from default to any other available (including MS) fonts does not provide any significant improvement.
I'm not having such trouble in Ubuntu.
Googled it half a day without much result. Any suggestions, please?
"Ugly" WRT fonts is in the eye of the beholder. If you put an over/under or side-by-side screenshot of bad with good where people can see it then people are more likely to be able to help. If you try the .bz2 version of FF from the mozilla.org web site, do you see the same trouble? -- " We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion." John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:10:20 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/12/30 18:56 (GMT) Vitorio Okio composed:
I've installed openSUSE 11.2 w. GNOME to give it a try. I enabled fonts "Subpixel smoothing" and set it to "slight" in Appearance applet. This gave me quite nice system, documents and application fonts.
Everything looks fine except Firefox.
Firefox application fonts are ugly. And they do not change no matter what my system settings/fonts are.
Firefox page rendering fonts are even worse. Changing fonts in Firefox preferences from default to any other available (including MS) fonts does not provide any significant improvement.
I'm not having such trouble in Ubuntu.
Googled it half a day without much result. Any suggestions, please?
"Ugly" WRT fonts is in the eye of the beholder.
I absolutely agree with this. Most of times it is very subjective. This is why the subject in essence reads: "system fonts vs. FF fonts". Thus I was actually saying: "With my current "Subpixel smoothing" settings my eyes are very comfortable with fonts system-wise but the VERY SAME eyes are NOT comfortable with Firefox fonts". I.e., while anti-aliasing works perfectly system-wise, it is completely ignored by Firefox.
If you put an over/under or side-by-side screenshot of bad with good where people can see it then people are more likely to be able to help.
Unfortunately I'm only subscribed to "nomail" version of this mailing list. I read and post using Pan. Thus I do not see a way to put screenshots.
If you try the .bz2 version of FF from the mozilla.org web site, do you see the same trouble?
I've not tried and I'm reluctant to do so. The last thing I want from a distro is to maintain such an important application on my own. If I would be willing to do so I'd rather go with either Slackware or Arch. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 11:04:58 Vitorio Okio wrote:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:10:20 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2009/12/30 18:56 (GMT) Vitorio Okio composed:
I've installed openSUSE 11.2 w. GNOME to give it a try. I enabled fonts "Subpixel smoothing" and set it to "slight" in Appearance applet. This gave me quite nice system, documents and application fonts.
Everything looks fine except Firefox.
Firefox application fonts are ugly. And they do not change no matter what my system settings/fonts are.
Firefox page rendering fonts are even worse. Changing fonts in Firefox preferences from default to any other available (including MS) fonts does not provide any significant improvement.
I'm not having such trouble in Ubuntu.
Googled it half a day without much result. Any suggestions, please?
"Ugly" WRT fonts is in the eye of the beholder.
I absolutely agree with this. Most of times it is very subjective.
This is why the subject in essence reads: "system fonts vs. FF fonts".
Thus I was actually saying:
"With my current "Subpixel smoothing" settings my eyes are very comfortable with fonts system-wise but the VERY SAME eyes are NOT comfortable with Firefox fonts".
I.e., while anti-aliasing works perfectly system-wise, it is completely ignored by Firefox. [...]
Are you using KDE? KDE3 or KDE4? In KDE4, go to Personal Settings (Configure Desktop) -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts and either explicitly set the fond to be used or select "Use my KDE fonts in GTK applications". Previously in KDE3 you had to install an additional package to achieve the same (but I can't remember what it was called). -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au =================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I've installed openSUSE 11.2 w. GNOME to give it a try. I enabled fonts "Subpixel smoothing" and set it to "slight" in Appearance applet. This gave me quite nice system, documents and application fonts.
Everything looks fine except Firefox.
Firefox application fonts are ugly. And they do not change no matter what my system settings/fonts are.
Firefox page rendering fonts are even worse. Changing fonts in Firefox preferences from default to any other available (including MS) fonts does not provide any significant improvement.
I'm not having such trouble in Ubuntu.
Googled it half a day without much result. Any suggestions, please?
"Ugly" WRT fonts is in the eye of the beholder.
I absolutely agree with this. Most of times it is very subjective.
This is why the subject in essence reads: "system fonts vs. FF fonts".
Thus I was actually saying:
"With my current "Subpixel smoothing" settings my eyes are very comfortable with fonts system-wise but the VERY SAME eyes are NOT comfortable with Firefox fonts".
I.e., while anti-aliasing works perfectly system-wise, it is completely ignored by Firefox. [...]
Are you using KDE? KDE3 or KDE4? In KDE4, go to Personal Settings (Configure Desktop) -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts and either explicitly set the fond to be used or select "Use my KDE fonts in GTK applications".
I'm using GNOME. See the very first sentence in my original post. Thanks. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 2009/12/31 00:34 (GMT) Vitorio Okio composed:
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:10:20 -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
If you put an over/under or side-by-side screenshot of bad with good where people can see it then people are more likely to be able to help.
Unfortunately I'm only subscribed to "nomail" version of this mailing list. I read and post using Pan. Thus I do not see a way to put screenshots.
I was not with my words "put .. where people can see" suggesting you attempt to subject every subscriber's inbox with a copy of a screenshot. Those words mean put a web URL in a list mail so that subscribers interested in helping can open it. That means upload it to your personal web space, and if you don't have personal web space, use one of the many free services that permit temporary uploading of large files for the purpose of getting help in debugging problems such as yours.
If you try the .bz2 version of FF from the mozilla.org web site, do you see the same trouble?
I've not tried and I'm reluctant to do so.
The last thing I want from a distro is to maintain such an important application on my own. If I would be willing to do so I'd rather go with either Slackware or Arch.
No need for "maintaining...application...". Just extract the archive to any convenient location, run, report the results, and delete or not as and when you please. This is precisely what is expected of anyone interested in determining whether a particular problem is caused by the packager, or originates upstream. It's also how testers of alphas and early betas provide upstream needed feedback. Don't forget, you're using free software which wouldn't exist if none of its users were assisting Novell in locating and fixing bugs, same as *buntu and Canonical. -- " We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion." John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I was not with my words "put .. where people can see" suggesting you attempt to subject every subscriber's inbox with a copy of a screenshot. Those words mean put a web URL in a list mail so that subscribers interested in helping can open it. That means upload it to your personal web space, and if you don't have personal web space, use one of the many free services that permit temporary uploading of large files for the purpose of getting help in debugging problems such as yours.
I see what you meant now. I do not have my personal web space but I'll use your suggestion about free services next time. For now I found a fix (see my SOLVED post I'm going to put on in a minute or two).
The last thing I want from a distro is to maintain such an important application on my own. If I would be willing to do so I'd rather go with either Slackware or Arch.
No need for "maintaining...application...". Just extract the archive to any convenient location, run, report the results, and delete or not as and when you please. This is precisely what is expected of anyone interested in determining whether a particular problem is caused by the packager, or originates upstream. It's also how testers of alphas and early betas provide upstream needed feedback.
Don't forget, you're using free software which wouldn't exist if none of its users were assisting Novell in locating and fixing bugs, same as *buntu and Canonical.
Hard to disagree with this but for some personal reasons I simply cannot put so much of my time into it. And again, I did found quite a simple solution that I'm going to share with all in my next post. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I've installed openSUSE 11.2 w. GNOME to give it a try. I enabled fonts "Subpixel smoothing" and set it to "slight" in Appearance applet. This gave me quite nice system, documents and application fonts.
Everything looks fine except Firefox.
Firefox application fonts are ugly. And they do not change no matter what my system settings/fonts are.
Firefox page rendering fonts are even worse. Changing fonts in Firefox preferences from default to any other available (including MS) fonts does not provide any significant improvement.
I post it just in case somebody else would be interested in a solution I found. I came across this http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/gnome-linux-firefox- smooth-fonts article. See the bottom part of it advising creation of .fonts.conf file in your home directory. I created the file just copying content from the article. Except that I changed the "rgba" part setting from "none" to "rgb". This way the file just exactly reflects my setting in Appearance apllet. And now guess... The system fonts (no surprise here) are the same nice looking fonts. But Firefox now picks up my system font settings and behaves like a good puppy. The funniest thing is that the article is about Ubuntu problem which I never experienced in Ubuntu. But it did solved the problem with FF in openSUSE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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