[opensuse] two dolphin questions
Couple of questions: 1. is there a possibility to see the summary window (as in Konqueror) by hovering over an icon/file? 2. can I view picture files _inside_ dolphin? (as in Konqueror). It's annoying having to start a new application for each new view. thanks Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 04 of July 2011 18:24:49 Per Jessen wrote:
Couple of questions:
1. is there a possibility to see the summary window (as in Konqueror) by hovering over an icon/file? 2. can I view picture files _inside_ dolphin? (as in Konqueror). It's annoying having to start a new application for each new view.
Cannot answer the first one. I have set dolphin to display images as follows: Preferences/General/Previews: Select the filetypes, for which you need the previews, and the file size limit. Then set the icon size with the slider on the bottom right corner of the window.
thanks Per
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On Monday 04 of July 2011 18:24:49 Per Jessen wrote:
Couple of questions:
1. is there a possibility to see the summary window (as in Konqueror) by hovering over an icon/file? 2. can I view picture files _inside_ dolphin? (as in Konqueror). It's annoying having to start a new application for each new view.
Cannot answer the first one. I have set dolphin to display images as follows: Preferences/General/Previews: Select the filetypes, for which you need the previews, and the file size limit. Then set the icon size with the slider on the bottom right corner of the window.
Hi Peter I have previews enabled - what I had in mind was the ability to click on an image file and have it displayed _within_ dolphin, just like it did in konqueror. Then close the view with Alt-LeftCursor. The current default of opening and closing an application (gwenview or whatever the default is) is just too slow and cumbersome. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (27.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 19:26:53 schrieb Per Jessen:
I have previews enabled - what I had in mind was the ability to click on an image file and have it displayed _within_ dolphin, just like it did in konqueror. Then close the view with Alt-LeftCursor. The current default of opening and closing an application (gwenview or whatever the default is) is just too slow and cumbersome.
Dolphin was meant as a filemanager and not a viewer. Hence this is not possible. You can use the information panel (F11) or resize the previews to huge but it will never become an image (or anything else)-viewer simply because that is not its purpose – it is a file manager. If you want to browse pictures, use a picture app like gwenview (F11 for a folder tree or disable the preview pane for faster loading) or digikam. If you want to mangage your photos use digikam, if you want to manage your files use dolphin. One app, one purpose – that's how I understood the philosophy back when dolphin was created. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/04/2011 01:50 PM:
If you want to browse pictures, use a picture app like gwenview (F11 for a folder tree or disable the preview pane for faster loading) or digikam. If you want to mangage your photos use digikam, if you want to manage your files use dolphin. One app, one purpose – that's how I understood the philosophy back when dolphin was created.
It sounds to me like Dolphin is a Great Step Backwards from Konqueror. As Per said .... The current default of opening and closing an application (gwenview or whatever the default is) is just too slow and cumbersome. As I understand it, Konqueror used some kind of embedded display mechanism, something to do with PLUGINS perhaps? When I look at menubar: settings -> configure conqueror -> file associations I see a tab for 'embedding' There I have the OPTION of whether certain kinds of images will be shown by default with the embedded viewer (and I then have a choice of which tool) or with an external program. It looks to me as if Dolphin is Giant Step Backwards in functionality and configurability. Oh my! I see under "settings" that Konqueror has a spell checker for web forms! -- There's a tendency today to absolve individuals of moral responsibility and treat them as victims of social circumstance. You buy that, you pay with your soul. -Tom Robbins, Still Life with Woodpecker -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 14:24:31 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/04/2011 01:50 PM:
If you want to browse pictures, use a picture app like gwenview (F11 for a folder tree or disable the preview pane for faster loading) or digikam. If you want to mangage your photos use digikam, if you want to manage your files use dolphin. One app, one purpose – that's how I understood the philosophy back when dolphin was created.
It sounds to me like Dolphin is a Great Step Backwards from Konqueror.
Sorry, but you did not get it! Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Most people don't need a "tries to be everything but fails at each of them compared to those apps that specialise on one task".
There I have the OPTION of whether certain kinds of images will be shown by default with the embedded viewer (and I then have a choice of which tool) or with an external program.
And you have the choice to not use dolphin but whatever suits your needs instead. It's simply wrong to assume that every app on this planet has to fit your needs. Dolphin is not meant to be what you want it to be. It's up to you to find the apps that fit your needs. If you are lucky somebody else develops them for you, otherwise it's up to you to create them or wait for enough people that share the same need for that kind of app.
It looks to me as if Dolphin is Giant Step Backwards in functionality and configurability.
Nope. It would fail its purpose if it would be a "try to be everything" as konqueror did. You can tell by its state of development – i.e. genuine interest in contributing to it – where konqueror's philosophy ended. Dolphin on the other hand is under very active development and was never meant to replace konqueror. It was meant as a file manager that does not embed viewers but starts the viewer that fits the file. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 14:24:31 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/04/2011 01:50 PM:
If you want to browse pictures, use a picture app like gwenview (F11 for a folder tree or disable the preview pane for faster loading) or digikam. If you want to mangage your photos use digikam, if you want to manage your files use dolphin. One app, one purpose – that's how I understood the philosophy back when dolphin was created.
It sounds to me like Dolphin is a Great Step Backwards from Konqueror.
Sorry, but you did not get it! [snip] Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy.
Seem like the wrong application for replacing konqueror then. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.7°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 22:09:41 schrieb Per Jessen:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy.
Seem like the wrong application for replacing konqueror then.
Why? Goals change, apps to fulfil those change accordingly. KDE changes. Pretty much everything changes and adapts. Konqueror was seen as too complex and not good enough in the single disciplines for the default user and thus split into web-browser, filemanager, viewers etc. For me in sum they do a better job than konqueror. But as I said, it depends on ones needs. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 22:09:41 schrieb Per Jessen:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy.
Seem like the wrong application for replacing konqueror then.
Why? Goals change, apps to fulfil those change accordingly.
To me it seems wrong when the replacing application provides less functionality than the application being replaced. For the people/business I support, it is annoying having to needlessly change to work in a different way. The users goals haven't changed. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 07:38:59 schrieb Per Jessen:
To me it seems wrong when the replacing application provides less functionality than the application being replaced.
I really don't get why you hold on to the argument that konqueror was replaced. Replace a file on your hard disk and you will see what replacing means, the old file is gone. Konqueror is still around, so it was not replaced but dolphin added. The default was changed, but that only affects new users anyway since KDe will not change your settings regarding the apps you set as default.
For the people/business I support, it is annoying having to needlessly change to work in a different way. The users goals haven't changed.
Then those people have to invest time/money to get what they want since "nobody" else cares, i.e. konq development is dead although it allegedly being a much better and popular app than the combination of tools available by default. That logic strikes me. :) Oh – and the "default user" of linux and KDE did change over the last years hence the default user's goals changed. Just curious, what other file managers act as viewers for e.g. PDFs? Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
For the people/business I support, it is annoying having to needlessly change to work in a different way. The users goals haven't changed.
Then those people have to invest time/money to get what they want since "nobody" else cares, i.e. konq development is dead although it allegedly being a much better and popular app than the combination of tools available by default. That logic strikes me. :)
Yes, that is the way out. It's just that these little so-called "user-friendly" changes are really annoying and hard to convince people about when they bring little gain and more pain. Just my experience of course.
Oh – and the "default user" of linux and KDE did change over the last years hence the default user's goals changed.
I wasn't aware of that. I hope the needs and goals of plain office users are still targeted/addressed by KDE.
Just curious, what other file managers act as viewers for e.g. PDFs?
I don't know - since Windows, I've only ever used/deployed Konqueror. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 05 Jul 2011 11:40:24 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Just curious, what other file managers act as viewers for e.g. PDFs?
Well, my favourite file manager, krusader, shows a small preview of the first page of a document on a right click, but there's no way it's a viewer. -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.4 64-bit, Kernel 2.6.37.6-0.5-desktop, KDE 4.6.5 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 05 Jul 2011 22:44:26 Bob Williams wrote:
On Tuesday 05 Jul 2011 11:40:24 Sven Burmeister wrote:
Just curious, what other file managers act as viewers for e.g. PDFs?
Well, my favourite file manager, krusader, shows a small preview of the first page of a document on a right click, but there's no way it's a viewer.
Actually, I've had another look, and krusader includes a built in viewer that will show text files, pdfs, images in a separate popup window. It's a feature that I've only ever used to view/edit text files, which is why I hadn't noticed it before. Another reason it's the best file manager out there ;) I'd recommend you take a look at it. Bob -- Registered Linux User #463880 FSFE Member #1300 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 11.4 64-bit, Kernel 2.6.37.6-0.5-desktop, KDE 4.6.5 Intel Core2 Quad Q9400 2.66GHz, 8GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 9600GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/04/2011 03:48 PM:
Sorry, but you did not get it!
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Most people don't need a "tries to be everything but fails at each of them compared to those apps that specialise on one task".
Oh but Sven I do get it. I see the verb, what is being done, rather than the noun, what is being said. The one program that did it all, and in my opinion and based on questions and observations about Dolphin and reconq that have come up, did it very well, was Konqueror. it now seems that Konqeror is being depreciated in favour of this specialised file manager - that isn't as capable a file manager as Konqeror was named Dolphin, and this web browser that isn't as capable as Konqeror was named reconq. It strikes me that each might have been better if they had started with Konqueror as it was about the days of KDE4.1/4.2 and started deleting stuff. Rather like the sculptor: take a block of stone and remove everything that isn't the final statue. I *DO* understand Rob Pikes "Do one thing, just one thing and do it well" (Rob, like me, is from Toronto and I've met both him and Dennis here.) But Konqueror *DID* work and worked very well. Whatever happened to "If it ain't broke don't fix it"? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 16:41:51 schrieb Anton Aylward:
The one program that did it all, and in my opinion and based on questions and observations about Dolphin and reconq that have come up, did it very well, was Konqueror. it now seems that Konqeror is being depreciated in favour of this specialised file manager - that isn't as capable a file manager as Konqeror was named Dolphin, and this web browser that isn't as capable as Konqeror was named reconq.
It simply lost its audience, developers and users, since it was never really good at browsing and apparently not compelling enough for other tasks as well. There is nobody working against konqueror, just nobody working for it. (I know there are still some people spending time on khtml etc. but it tends towards nobody)
It strikes me that each might have been better if they had started with Konqueror as it was about the days of KDE4.1/4.2 and started deleting stuff. Rather like the sculptor: take a block of stone and remove everything that isn't the final statue.
That's the thing about things created in people's free time. They get to chose how to spend their time because they "pay" the time they spend working on something. Anybody who wants to revive konqueror is free to do so.
I *DO* understand Rob Pikes "Do one thing, just one thing and do it well" (Rob, like me, is from Toronto and I've met both him and Dennis here.) But Konqueror *DID* work and worked very well.
Not for me. bookmarks tab was always broken, lots of other issues with the sidebar like not being able to rename folders, web-browsing buggy, embedded viewers lacked functionality so I had to open external ones anyway, no integrated search, not versatile enough regarding sorting and grouping, crowded toolbars, (settings) GUI and menus, no "information tab but a buggy hack to get something almost there etc. pp. But that's me and if it fits your needs, that's perfect, use it, contribute to it but do not try to make non-konqueror apps konqueror – it will fail by definition.
Whatever happened to "If it ain't broke don't fix it"?
See above, it was broken in many ways. And there was simply nobody that cared enough, so chances are, there are not that many that actually like it as much as to start caring actively, i.e. contributing. And without contribution a oss app simply fades out and gets replaced by actively developed apps. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 07/04/2011 04:41 PM, Anton Aylward pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/04/2011 03:48 PM:
Sorry, but you did not get it!
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Most people don't need a "tries to be everything but fails at each of them compared to those apps that specialise on one task".
Oh but Sven I do get it. I see the verb, what is being done, rather than the noun, what is being said.
The one program that did it all, and in my opinion and based on questions and observations about Dolphin and reconq that have come up, did it very well, was Konqueror. it now seems that Konqeror is being depreciated in favour of this specialised file manager - that isn't as capable a file manager as Konqeror was named Dolphin, and this web browser that isn't as capable as Konqeror was named reconq.
And it was dropped because of a lack of developer interest, period. If you want it back contribute your time to port it to newer KDE. And stop taking your frustration out on Sven, he has contributed a great deal of time and effort to making KDE better. And yes I would rather have the Konq back but it's not going to happen and I accept that and don't pitch a bitch about it.
It strikes me that each might have been better if they had started with Konqueror as it was about the days of KDE4.1/4.2 and started deleting stuff. Rather like the sculptor: take a block of stone and remove everything that isn't the final statue.
Wha, wha, wha.
I *DO* understand Rob Pikes "Do one thing, just one thing and do it well" (Rob, like me, is from Toronto and I've met both him and Dennis here.) But Konqueror *DID* work and worked very well.
Whatever happened to "If it ain't broke don't fix it"?
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On Monday 04 July 2011 21:41:51 Anton Aylward wrote:
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/04/2011 03:48 PM:
Sorry, but you did not get it!
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Most people don't need a "tries to be everything but fails at each of them compared to those apps that specialise on one task".
Oh but Sven I do get it. I see the verb, what is being done, rather than the noun, what is being said.
The one program that did it all, and in my opinion and based on questions and observations about Dolphin and reconq that have come up, did it very well, was Konqueror. it now seems that Konqeror is being depreciated in favour of this specialised file manager - that isn't as capable a file manager as Konqeror was named Dolphin, and this web browser that isn't as capable as Konqeror was named reconq.
It strikes me that each might have been better if they had started with Konqueror as it was about the days of KDE4.1/4.2 and started deleting stuff. Rather like the sculptor: take a block of stone and remove everything that isn't the final statue.
I *DO* understand Rob Pikes "Do one thing, just one thing and do it well" (Rob, like me, is from Toronto and I've met both him and Dennis here.) But Konqueror *DID* work and worked very well.
Whatever happened to "If it ain't broke don't fix it"?
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On Monday 04 July 2011 21:48:12, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it.
Sven, I have read this phrase many times in many posts, because I also miss many things in dolphin. But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have. So it is very easy to say "use konqueror", but its also quite useless to say it, when konqueror doesn't really exist anymore... If it still would exist, I wouldn't have to think a millisecond and dolphin wouldn't receive one single click anymore in my life! Of course its a philosophy to have 10'000 windows open: for each single task another one, and to search the file u are working on in each of these apps. However it is sad that the ingenious multi-functional program konqueror disapperad. It is to accept, because linux is free and the devs are free to put their energy where they want, and (except dolphin) there are really many many great apps. But te lack of konqueror *is* sad, it was a central and very helpful tool. Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic nudes: http://www.guapamania.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/07/11 15:39, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Monday 04 July 2011 21:48:12, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Sven, I have read this phrase many times in many posts, because I also miss many things in dolphin.
But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have.
So it is very easy to say "use konqueror", but its also quite useless to say it, when konqueror doesn't really exist anymore...
If it still would exist, I wouldn't have to think a millisecond and dolphin wouldn't receive one single click anymore in my life!
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug?
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Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:39, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Monday 04 July 2011 21:48:12, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Sven, I have read this phrase many times in many posts, because I also miss many things in dolphin.
But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have.
So it is very easy to say "use konqueror", but its also quite useless to say it, when konqueror doesn't really exist anymore...
If it still would exist, I wouldn't have to think a millisecond and dolphin wouldn't receive one single click anymore in my life!
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug?
I don't see a pop-up window with details for e.g. PDF and office files when I hover the mouse pointer over a file icon. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/07/11 19:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:39, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Monday 04 July 2011 21:48:12, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Sven, I have read this phrase many times in many posts, because I also miss many things in dolphin.
But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have.
So it is very easy to say "use konqueror", but its also quite useless to say it, when konqueror doesn't really exist anymore...
If it still would exist, I wouldn't have to think a millisecond and dolphin wouldn't receive one single click anymore in my life!
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug? I don't see a pop-up window with details for e.g. PDF and office files when I hover the mouse pointer over a file icon.
Are you looking for Settings -> "Configure Konqueror" -> "File Manager"/"General" -> "Show Tooltips"? Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 19:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:39, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Monday 04 July 2011 21:48:12, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Sven, I have read this phrase many times in many posts, because I also miss many things in dolphin.
But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have.
So it is very easy to say "use konqueror", but its also quite useless to say it, when konqueror doesn't really exist anymore...
If it still would exist, I wouldn't have to think a millisecond and dolphin wouldn't receive one single click anymore in my life!
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug? I don't see a pop-up window with details for e.g. PDF and office files when I hover the mouse pointer over a file icon.
Are you looking for Settings -> "Configure Konqueror" -> "File Manager"/"General" -> "Show Tooltips"?
Yes, that is how the help text describes it, but hovering doesn't do anything. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/07/11 19:57, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 19:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug? I don't see a pop-up window with details for e.g. PDF and office files when I hover the mouse pointer over a file icon. Are you looking for Settings -> "Configure Konqueror" -> "File Manager"/"General" -> "Show Tooltips"? Yes, that is how the help text describes it, but hovering doesn't do anything.
If you're not seeing something like this: http://susepaste.org/6748951 it's a bug, the functionality is there. and to clarify my other response, images and text files have the filetype-specific metadata always available, while pdf and opendocument apparently need to be indexed by Strigi+Nepomuk first. Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 19:57, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 19:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug? I don't see a pop-up window with details for e.g. PDF and office files when I hover the mouse pointer over a file icon. Are you looking for Settings -> "Configure Konqueror" -> "File Manager"/"General" -> "Show Tooltips"? Yes, that is how the help text describes it, but hovering doesn't do anything.
If you're not seeing something like this: http://susepaste.org/6748951 it's a bug, the functionality is there.
I don't get anything like that, no. Did you also try Konqueror?
and to clarify my other response, images and text files have the filetype-specific metadata always available, while pdf and opendocument apparently need to be indexed by Strigi+Nepomuk first.
Which is clearly new, so something _did_ change in Konqueror. I'll google how to enable those two. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/07/11 20:16, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 19:57, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 19:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug? I don't see a pop-up window with details for e.g. PDF and office files when I hover the mouse pointer over a file icon. Are you looking for Settings -> "Configure Konqueror" -> "File Manager"/"General" -> "Show Tooltips"? Yes, that is how the help text describes it, but hovering doesn't do anything. If you're not seeing something like this: http://susepaste.org/6748951 it's a bug, the functionality is there. I don't get anything like that, no. Did you also try Konqueror?
Works for me in konqueror as well. Looks like you're encountering a bug (you are sure the setting is enabled, right? There should be a ShowTooltips=true in dolphinrc in ~/.kde4/share/config). I'm on 11.4 / kdebase4-4.6.0-6.6.2.x86_64.
and to clarify my other response, images and text files have the filetype-specific metadata always available, while pdf and opendocument apparently need to be indexed by Strigi+Nepomuk first. Which is clearly new, so something _did_ change in Konqueror. I'll google how to enable those two.
Well *technically* the underlying KDE libraries changed, but I won't argue that point :P Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tejas Guruswamy said the following on 07/05/2011 03:03 PM:
If you're not seeing something like this: http://susepaste.org/6748951 it's a bug, the functionality is there.
Indeed it is, but in a very strange way. I have konqueror open with two tabs. The first is "HOME", my home directory, the second is "Downloads", the mounted file system into which downloads happen. I've enable popups :-) Mouseover on HOME I get the popups just as you describe. But on Downloads I don't. I thought it might be mounted file systems or automounted file systems. Not so. Also, if I try a NFS mounted FS I get the popups. Downloads is an ext3 FS But so is /tmp and /boot and they result in popups. Odd. -- "How well we communicate is determined not by how well we say things but by how well we are understood." -- Andrew S. Grove. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Anton Aylward said the following on 07/05/2011 04:28 PM:
Tejas Guruswamy said the following on 07/05/2011 03:03 PM:
If you're not seeing something like this: http://susepaste.org/6748951 it's a bug, the functionality is there.
Indeed it is, but in a very strange way.
I have konqueror open with two tabs. The first is "HOME", my home directory, the second is "Downloads", the mounted file system into which downloads happen.
I've enable popups :-)
Mouseover on HOME I get the popups just as you describe. But on Downloads I don't.
I thought it might be mounted file systems or automounted file systems. Not so. Also, if I try a NFS mounted FS I get the popups.
Downloads is an ext3 FS But so is /tmp and /boot and they result in popups.
Odd.
Oh, I should add: I've killed off all nepomuk/akonadi. ps -ef | egrep "nepomuk|akonadi"|awk '{print $2}'|xargs kill -{9,11,15} But I still get the popups on graphics, text, folders, html files, .xls files, OpenDocument spreadsheets, .odt, .ods, I get them on PDFs but only as an icon plus filesystem level info just as I do with .gz files and .doc files -- For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/07/11 21:43, Anton Aylward wrote:
Anton Aylward said the following on 07/05/2011 04:28 PM:
Tejas Guruswamy said the following on 07/05/2011 03:03 PM:
If you're not seeing something like this: http://susepaste.org/6748951 it's a bug, the functionality is there. Indeed it is, but in a very strange way.
I have konqueror open with two tabs. The first is "HOME", my home directory, the second is "Downloads", the mounted file system into which downloads happen.
I've enable popups :-)
Mouseover on HOME I get the popups just as you describe. But on Downloads I don't.
I thought it might be mounted file systems or automounted file systems. Not so. Also, if I try a NFS mounted FS I get the popups.
Downloads is an ext3 FS But so is /tmp and /boot and they result in popups.
Odd.
Odd indeed. If I enable popups, I see them on all my mounted drives.
Oh, I should add:
I've killed off all nepomuk/akonadi. ps -ef | egrep "nepomuk|akonadi"|awk '{print $2}'|xargs kill -{9,11,15}
But I still get the popups on graphics, text, folders, html files, .xls files, OpenDocument spreadsheets, .odt, .ods,
I get them on PDFs but only as an icon plus filesystem level info just as I do with .gz files and .doc files
They autostart when needed so I don't think that killing them guarantees they aren't running in the future. But in any case having them not running doesn't mean the popups don't appear at all, just that they are missing file-specific info like "pdf title". Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On 05/07/11 19:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:39, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Monday 04 July 2011 21:48:12, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Sven, I have read this phrase many times in many posts, because I also miss many things in dolphin.
But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have.
So it is very easy to say "use konqueror", but its also quite useless to say it, when konqueror doesn't really exist anymore...
If it still would exist, I wouldn't have to think a millisecond and dolphin wouldn't receive one single click anymore in my life!
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug? I don't see a pop-up window with details for e.g. PDF and office files when I hover the mouse pointer over a file icon.
Reading your other responses I think I now understand what you're getting at. Basically in KDE 4.3 (or 4.4 maybe) the file metadata was turned over to strigi/nepomuk so if you don't have them running + working + indexing the file in question, you don't get any of the file-specific metadata (in Dolphin or Konq, for pdfs/opendocument). Personally I think this is a bit silly (run an indexer just to see info on one file?), but anyway, that's the answer to your question. Some googling will show you various discussions about it e.g. http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=62458&sid=385dc11a08f51bc7f0a7184fe7886ed2 Regards, Tejas -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 19:33, Per Jessen wrote:
Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:39, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Monday 04 July 2011 21:48:12, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it. Sven, I have read this phrase many times in many posts, because I also miss many things in dolphin.
But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have.
So it is very easy to say "use konqueror", but its also quite useless to say it, when konqueror doesn't really exist anymore...
If it still would exist, I wouldn't have to think a millisecond and dolphin wouldn't receive one single click anymore in my life!
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug? I don't see a pop-up window with details for e.g. PDF and office files when I hover the mouse pointer over a file icon.
Reading your other responses I think I now understand what you're getting at. Basically in KDE 4.3 (or 4.4 maybe) the file metadata was turned over to strigi/nepomuk so if you don't have them running + working + indexing the file in question, you don't get any of the file-specific metadata (in Dolphin or Konq, for pdfs/opendocument).
Personally I think this is a bit silly (run an indexer just to see info on one file?), but anyway, that's the answer to your question.
I'm getting closer now - Ive figured out how to enable strigi (courtesy of a Ubuntu page), and I'm now getting the hover window with the blue background on jpegs, and PDFs. For office documents I get the hourglass (or whatever the new busy icon is called). The info for PDFs is not complete at all. I also find it a bit silly to run an indexer for this purpose, but if it doesn't interfere with anything, I have no issue with it as such. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
I'm getting closer now - Ive figured out how to enable strigi (courtesy of a Ubuntu page), and I'm now getting the hover window with the blue background on jpegs, and PDFs. For office documents I get the hourglass (or whatever the new busy icon is called). The info for PDFs is not complete at all.
Okay, closer yet - using strigiclient I've started an index-run of my home-directory, which has caused blue windows to be produced when I hover over office documents - the meta-data are not shown and the preview is no good, it's just a binary representation of the doc. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 21:47:32 schrieb Per Jessen:
Per Jessen wrote:
I'm getting closer now - Ive figured out how to enable strigi (courtesy of a Ubuntu page), and I'm now getting the hover window with the blue background on jpegs, and PDFs. For office documents I get the hourglass (or whatever the new busy icon is called). The info for PDFs is not complete at all.
Okay, closer yet - using strigiclient I've started an index-run of my home-directory, which has caused blue windows to be produced when I hover over office documents - the meta-data are not shown and the preview is no good, it's just a binary representation of the doc.
Strigiclient has nothing to do with what KDE uses AFAIK. Nepomuk does not use strigi's index but uses strigi to create a nepomuk index. Enabling strigi can be done via systemsettings > desktop search. If the info is not complete after dolphin uses the proper index, file a bug – either against dolphin because it should show more info or against nepomuk/strigi because it does not fetch enough info from the files. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011, 12:49:38 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
If the info is not complete after dolphin uses the proper index, file a bug – either against dolphin because it should show more info or against nepomuk/strigi because it does not fetch enough info from the files.
Since it works without strigi enabled, it seems dolphin would be the right component. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 21:47:32 schrieb Per Jessen:
Per Jessen wrote:
I'm getting closer now - Ive figured out how to enable strigi (courtesy of a Ubuntu page), and I'm now getting the hover window with the blue background on jpegs, and PDFs. For office documents I get the hourglass (or whatever the new busy icon is called). The info for PDFs is not complete at all.
Okay, closer yet - using strigiclient I've started an index-run of my home-directory, which has caused blue windows to be produced when I hover over office documents - the meta-data are not shown and the preview is no good, it's just a binary representation of the doc.
For odf preview install the OpenDocument thumbnail plugin from kde-apps.org/content/show.php/OpenOffice.org+Thumbnail+plugin?content=110864 the fedora 12 rpm works flawless with openSUSE 11.4 in dolphin and konqueror. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Martin Helm wrote:
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 21:47:32 schrieb Per Jessen:
Per Jessen wrote:
I'm getting closer now - Ive figured out how to enable strigi (courtesy of a Ubuntu page), and I'm now getting the hover window with the blue background on jpegs, and PDFs. For office documents I get the hourglass (or whatever the new busy icon is called). The info for PDFs is not complete at all.
Okay, closer yet - using strigiclient I've started an index-run of my home-directory, which has caused blue windows to be produced when I hover over office documents - the meta-data are not shown and the preview is no good, it's just a binary representation of the doc.
For odf preview install the OpenDocument thumbnail plugin from
kde-apps.org/content/show.php/OpenOffice.org+Thumbnail+plugin?content=110864
the fedora 12 rpm works flawless with openSUSE 11.4 in dolphin and konqueror.
Thanks, that makes the preview work! I googled some and found this one for openSUSE: https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries?package=kde4-odf-thumbnail-plugin&project=home%3Abuschmann23%3AKDE4&repository=openSUSE_11.4 -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.1°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 05 July 2011 20:13:12, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:
On 05/07/11 15:39, Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Monday 04 July 2011 21:48:12, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Dolphin is not konqueror2. It's a different app with different goals and philosophy. There is not only one way to do things right. If konqueror is what you want, use it.
Sven, I have read this phrase many times in many posts, because I also miss many things in dolphin.
But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have.
So it is very easy to say "use konqueror", but its also quite useless to say it, when konqueror doesn't really exist anymore...
If it still would exist, I wouldn't have to think a millisecond and dolphin wouldn't receive one single click anymore in my life!
Eh? Konqueror hasn't been changed in ages, and certainly hasn't been replaced by a dolphin wrapper. It should have all the features it always did. What are you seeing that makes you think this, maybe it's a bug?
<snip>
Regards, Tejas
Sorry, but I dont get it. This is a screenshot of my konqueror: http://www.daniel-bauer.com/test/konq_screen.jpeg it is exactly the same as dolphin in regard of metadata. This dialog didn't exist before. And what I can choose to show is a strange mix of metadata and computer-date (like file owner). Many metadata simply are not selectable. For example the "copyright" - which for me is an essential information! - is not available. I have to open Gwen- view or digikam to see the copyright owner of an image. Before a right click in konqueror showed *all* the metadata info. This is what I mean with "wrapper": konq just behaves like dolphin, has the same settings dialogs and lacks the same information... Do I have a special version of konqueror, when you say it hasn't changed in ages? Mine definitively has changed... Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic nudes: http://www.guapamania.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Daniel Bauer said the following on 07/05/2011 05:54 PM:
Sorry, but I dont get it. This is a screenshot of my konqueror: http://www.daniel-bauer.com/test/konq_screen.jpeg
it is exactly the same as dolphin in regard of metadata. This dialog didn't exist before. And what I can choose to show is a strange mix of metadata and computer-date (like file owner).
Many metadata simply are not selectable. For example the "copyright" - which for me is an essential information! - is not available. I have to open Gwen- view or digikam to see the copyright owner of an image. Before a right click in konqueror showed *all* the metadata info. This is what I mean with "wrapper": konq just behaves like dolphin, has the same settings dialogs and lacks the same information...
And uses the config in the ~/.kde4/share/config/dolphinrc ... ... and presumable the same libraries ...
Do I have a special version of konqueror, when you say it hasn't changed in ages? Mine definitively has changed...
Daniel
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Daniel Bauer wrote:
Sorry, but I dont get it. This is a screenshot of my konqueror: http://www.daniel-bauer.com/test/konq_screen.jpeg
it is exactly the same as dolphin in regard of metadata. This dialog didn't exist before. And what I can choose to show is a strange mix of metadata and computer-date (like file owner).
Many metadata simply are not selectable. For example the "copyright" - which for me is an essential information! - is not available. I have to open Gwen- view or digikam to see the copyright owner of an image. Before a right click in konqueror showed *all* the metadata info. This is what I mean with "wrapper": konq just behaves like dolphin, has the same settings dialogs and lacks the same information...
Do I have a special version of konqueror, when you say it hasn't changed in ages? Mine definitively has changed...
I think the conclusion (as of last night) was that you need to run strigi to get the "File Tips" (that's what they used to be called) meta-data pop-up window. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (19.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 06 Jul 2011 07:58:03 Per Jessen wrote:
Daniel Bauer wrote:
Sorry, but I dont get it. This is a screenshot of my konqueror: http://www.daniel-bauer.com/test/konq_screen.jpeg
it is exactly the same as dolphin in regard of metadata. This dialog didn't exist before. And what I can choose to show is a strange mix of metadata and computer-date (like file owner).
Many metadata simply are not selectable. For example the "copyright" - which for me is an essential information! - is not available. I have to open Gwen- view or digikam to see the copyright owner of an image. Before a right click in konqueror showed *all* the metadata info. This is what I mean with "wrapper": konq just behaves like dolphin, has the same settings dialogs and lacks the same information...
Do I have a special version of konqueror, when you say it hasn't changed in ages? Mine definitively has changed...
I think the conclusion (as of last night) was that you need to run strigi to get the "File Tips" (that's what they used to be called) meta-data pop-up window.
I don't think so. Reading this thread I just tried to enable tooltips in konqueror (Configure Konqueror - File Management - General - Behaviour - Show tooltips). It worked, although I have neither Nepomuk nor Strigi enabled in System Settings - Desktop Search - Basic Settings. Disabling these two services was one of the first things I did after installation, a few months ago. Yet the toolip does appear for pdf files I downloaded just yesterday. The tooltip includes a preview of the first page of the pdf file. One other thing I found was that the tootlip shows a preview only if the size of the file is not greater than the limit defined in Configure Konqueror - File Management - General - Previews - Local files above. Funny, but on the same settings page, "Show previews for" does not seem to influence konqueror - I don't have pdf files checked in this list. Tom -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
benefici@fastmail.fm wrote:
On Wednesday 06 Jul 2011 07:58:03 Per Jessen wrote:
Daniel Bauer wrote:
Sorry, but I dont get it. This is a screenshot of my konqueror: http://www.daniel-bauer.com/test/konq_screen.jpeg
it is exactly the same as dolphin in regard of metadata. This dialog didn't exist before. And what I can choose to show is a strange mix of metadata and computer-date (like file owner).
Many metadata simply are not selectable. For example the "copyright" - which for me is an essential information! - is not available. I have to open Gwen- view or digikam to see the copyright owner of an image. Before a right click in konqueror showed *all* the metadata info. This is what I mean with "wrapper": konq just behaves like dolphin, has the same settings dialogs and lacks the same information...
Do I have a special version of konqueror, when you say it hasn't changed in ages? Mine definitively has changed...
I think the conclusion (as of last night) was that you need to run strigi to get the "File Tips" (that's what they used to be called) meta-data pop-up window.
I don't think so. Reading this thread I just tried to enable tooltips in konqueror (Configure Konqueror - File Management - General - Behaviour - Show tooltips). It worked, although I have neither Nepomuk nor Strigi enabled in System Settings - Desktop Search - Basic Settings.
When I enabled the tool tips yesterday, they didn't turn up until I started strigi and ran a re-index.
Disabling these two services was one of the first things I did after installation, a few months ago.
On my installation they were disabled by default.
Yet the toolip does appear for pdf files I downloaded just yesterday. The tooltip includes a preview of the first page of the pdf file.
Yes, that also works for me, but only _with_ strigi. Does your tooltip also include Title/Subject/Author/Software/Keywords ? That is what Konqueror used to show, but I'm not seeing that. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
When I enabled the tool tips yesterday, they didn't turn up until I started strigi and ran a re-index.
Disabling these two services was one of the first things I did after installation, a few months ago.
On my installation they were disabled by default.
Yet the toolip does appear for pdf files I downloaded just yesterday. The tooltip includes a preview of the first page of the pdf file.
Yes, that also works for me, but only _with_ strigi. Does your tooltip also include Title/Subject/Author/Software/Keywords ? That is what Konqueror used to show, but I'm not seeing that.
Well, I don't know what is going on. I've stopped/disabled strigi, removed the index files, but now I _am_ getting the tooltip. Still with no meta data for pdfs and office files, though. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 06 Jul 2011 10:31:59 Per Jessen wrote:
benefici@fastmail.fm wrote:
On Wednesday 06 Jul 2011 07:58:03 Per Jessen wrote:
Daniel Bauer wrote:
Sorry, but I dont get it. This is a screenshot of my konqueror: http://www.daniel-bauer.com/test/konq_screen.jpeg
it is exactly the same as dolphin in regard of metadata. This dialog didn't exist before. And what I can choose to show is a strange mix of metadata and computer-date (like file owner).
Many metadata simply are not selectable. For example the "copyright" - which for me is an essential information! - is not available. I have to open Gwen- view or digikam to see the copyright owner of an image. Before a right click in konqueror showed *all* the metadata info. This is what I mean with "wrapper": konq just behaves like dolphin, has the same settings dialogs and lacks the same information...
Do I have a special version of konqueror, when you say it hasn't changed in ages? Mine definitively has changed...
I think the conclusion (as of last night) was that you need to run strigi to get the "File Tips" (that's what they used to be called) meta-data pop-up window.
I don't think so. Reading this thread I just tried to enable tooltips in konqueror (Configure Konqueror - File Management - General - Behaviour - Show tooltips). It worked, although I have neither Nepomuk nor Strigi enabled in System Settings - Desktop Search - Basic Settings.
When I enabled the tool tips yesterday, they didn't turn up until I started strigi and ran a re-index.
Disabling these two services was one of the first things I did after installation, a few months ago.
On my installation they were disabled by default.
I'm just guessing but maybe you kept your home directory from a previous installation and thus your settings were retained?
Yet the toolip does appear for pdf files I downloaded just yesterday. The tooltip includes a preview of the first page of the pdf file.
Yes, that also works for me, but only _with_ strigi. Does your tooltip also include Title/Subject/Author/Software/Keywords ? That is what Konqueror used to show, but I'm not seeing that.
No. It only contains the preview picture, "type", "size" and "modified". I think this list of properties is the same as what you have selected in -> Right click the file - Properties - Information - Configure... The properties you mentioned are not just unselected but they are not available at all. Tom -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
benefici@fastmail.fm wrote:
When I enabled the tool tips yesterday, they didn't turn up until I started strigi and ran a re-index.
Disabling these two services was one of the first things I did after installation, a few months ago.
On my installation they were disabled by default.
I'm just guessing but maybe you kept your home directory from a previous installation and thus your settings were retained?
Nope, it's a brand new install. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011, 10:51:26 schrieb benefici@fastmail.fm:
Disabling these two services was one of the first things I did after installation, a few months ago.
On my installation they were disabled by default.
I'm just guessing but maybe you kept your home directory from a previous installation and thus your settings were retained?
On openSUSE nepomuk is enabled by default on 11.4 but its strigi component disabled. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
benefici@fastmail.fm said the following on 07/06/2011 04:19 AM:
I think the conclusion (as of last night) was that you need to run strigi to get the "File Tips" (that's what they used to be called) meta-data pop-up window.
I don't think so.
+1
Reading this thread I just tried to enable tooltips in konqueror (Configure Konqueror - File Management - General - Behaviour - Show tooltips). It worked, although I have neither Nepomuk nor Strigi enabled in System Settings - Desktop Search - Basic Settings. Disabling these two services was one of the first things I did after installation, a few months ago.
+1 :-)
Yet the toolip does appear for pdf files I downloaded just yesterday. The tooltip includes a preview of the first page of the pdf file.
I haven't been able to get the tooltip preview to show the contents.
One other thing I found was that the tootlip shows a preview only if the size of the file is not greater than the limit defined in Configure Konqueror - File Management - General - Previews - Local files above.
I've jacked the limit to 10M and still don't see the first page with the mouseover, just the file meta-info (comment, rating, tags, etc) even for smaller PDFs, 10K-20K. I'm not sure if this is an attribute of the file system -- no, I've just copied a 14K PDF to HOME where I can see _other_ first pages. Under 'file associations' -> applications -> pdf -> embedding I have "use settings for application group" So if it works for others in the group ... why not here?
Funny, but on the same settings page, "Show previews for" does not seem to influence konqueror - I don't have pdf files checked in this list.
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Per Jessen said the following on 07/06/2011 01:58 AM:
I think the conclusion (as of last night) was that you need to run strigi to get the "File Tips" (that's what they used to be called) meta-data pop-up window.
I don't think so. I have it working - with the exception of one file system as I explained - and I've not run strigi and have killed off akonadi/nepomuk. -- "You? Who are you? How could you know anything of the matter?" "My name is Sherlock Holmes. It is my business to know what other people don't know." -- James Ryder and Holmes, in "The Adventure of the Blue Carbuncle" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 07:58:03, Per Jessen wrote:
Daniel Bauer wrote:
Sorry, but I dont get it. This is a screenshot of my konqueror: http://www.daniel-bauer.com/test/konq_screen.jpeg
it is exactly the same as dolphin in regard of metadata. This dialog didn't exist before. And what I can choose to show is a strange mix of metadata and computer-date (like file owner).
Many metadata simply are not selectable. For example the "copyright" - which for me is an essential information! - is not available. I have to open Gwen- view or digikam to see the copyright owner of an image. Before a right click in konqueror showed *all* the metadata info. This is what I mean with "wrapper": konq just behaves like dolphin, has the same settings dialogs and lacks the same information...
Do I have a special version of konqueror, when you say it hasn't changed in ages? Mine definitively has changed...
I think the conclusion (as of last night) was that you need to run strigi to get the "File Tips" (that's what they used to be called) meta-data pop-up window.
I have strigi and nepomuk and all that stuff running. I also get the tooltips and the preview. But I do not get all metadata of a file (as said before, e.g. copyright; only the ones that I can also see in dolphin). Furthermore these selectable "metadata" are a mix of what is in the file and what are computer related things (like file owner). Original konqueror knew that the meta-data contained in a file is something different than comments, file rights etc. on the specific computer... So, for me, konqueror as it was does not exist anymore... Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic nudes: http://www.guapamania.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Daniel Bauer wrote:
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 07:58:03, Per Jessen wrote:
Daniel Bauer wrote:
Sorry, but I dont get it. This is a screenshot of my konqueror: http://www.daniel-bauer.com/test/konq_screen.jpeg
it is exactly the same as dolphin in regard of metadata. This dialog didn't exist before. And what I can choose to show is a strange mix of metadata and computer-date (like file owner).
Many metadata simply are not selectable. For example the "copyright" - which for me is an essential information! - is not available. I have to open Gwen- view or digikam to see the copyright owner of an image. Before a right click in konqueror showed *all* the metadata info. This is what I mean with "wrapper": konq just behaves like dolphin, has the same settings dialogs and lacks the same information...
Do I have a special version of konqueror, when you say it hasn't changed in ages? Mine definitively has changed...
I think the conclusion (as of last night) was that you need to run strigi to get the "File Tips" (that's what they used to be called) meta-data pop-up window.
I have strigi and nepomuk and all that stuff running. I also get the tooltips and the preview. But I do not get all metadata of a file (as said before, e.g. copyright; only the ones that I can also see in dolphin).
Okay. I've just reported something very similar: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=704118
Furthermore these selectable "metadata" are a mix of what is in the file and what are computer related things (like file owner). Original konqueror knew that the meta-data contained in a file is something different than comments, file rights etc. on the specific computer...
So, for me, konqueror as it was does not exist anymore...
I agree, it has suffered some regression. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011, 14:22:10 schrieb Per Jessen:
I have strigi and nepomuk and all that stuff running. I also get the tooltips and the preview. But I do not get all metadata of a file (as said before, e.g. copyright; only the ones that I can also see in dolphin).
Okay. I've just reported something very similar:
Is this really openSUSE specific or rather an upstream bug/feature and should thus be filed upstream? openSUSE hardly has the resources to do anything beyaond packaging and fixing major issues. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bugreport_KDE#Before_you_report_bugs Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011, 14:22:10 schrieb Per Jessen:
I have strigi and nepomuk and all that stuff running. I also get the tooltips and the preview. But I do not get all metadata of a file (as said before, e.g. copyright; only the ones that I can also see in dolphin).
Okay. I've just reported something very similar:
Is this really openSUSE specific or rather an upstream bug/feature and should thus be filed upstream?
I can't really say, I don't know it if it works in other distros. I know it used to work in openSUSE. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (26.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 16:39:04 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have.
True, I mentioned it elsewhere that konqueror cannot survive on its own because of a lack of community and hence developers. Yet Per's main concern was the viewer and AFAIK that is still possible. It's not dolphin's fault that konqueror was abandoned and it's not dolphin's aim to replace it since it does have a different philosophy. So blaming dolphin that it does not replace konqueror is the wrong approach in my opinion. Not saying that you stated that, but it is a common argument.
Of course its a philosophy to have 10'000 windows open: for each single task another one, and to search the file u are working on in each of these apps.
A bit exaggerated don't you think? You do not have to search for the files in the app if you opened it via the file-manager. In fact with an index in place often you do not even need a filemanager to navigate to the folder but just use ALT+F2, type the filename and open it. And embedding everything forces you to only have one viewer open at the same time, i.e. you cannot compare files unless you open a second konqueror or tile it to death.
However it is sad that the ingenious multi-functional program konqueror disapperad. It is to accept, because linux is free and the devs are free to put their energy where they want, and (except dolphin) there are really many many great apps. But te lack of konqueror *is* sad, it was a central and very helpful tool.
Yep. But apparently not to too many. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 6. Juli 2011, 13:07:47 schrieb Sven Burmeister:
A bit exaggerated don't you think? You do not have to search for the files in the app if you opened it via the file-manager. In fact with an index in place often you do not even need a filemanager to navigate to the folder but just use ALT+F2, type the filename and open it.
In fact, you do not even need to know the filename but in case of e.g. a proper PDF or saved html doc some part of the title. A lot quicker than navigating through a folder hierarchy. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 06 July 2011 13:07:47, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 16:39:04 schrieb Daniel Bauer:
But konqueror now is not "real" konqueror. It looks just like a "wrapper" for dolphin. The goodies that konqueror had are gone. The "information" given are exactly the same as in dolphin and not what konqueror used to have.
True, I mentioned it elsewhere that konqueror cannot survive on its own because of a lack of community and hence developers.
Yes, I guess I wrote this before. As I am not a developper I simply have to accept what is offered, and most of it is great on Linux. This doesn't change that I cry at night because konqueror doesn't exist in its original form anymore :-)
Yet Per's main concern was the viewer and AFAIK that is still possible.
It's not dolphin's fault that konqueror was abandoned and it's not dolphin's aim to replace it since it does have a different philosophy. So blaming dolphin that it does not replace konqueror is the wrong approach in my opinion. Not saying that you stated that, but it is a common argument.
No, I did not state that. In contrary I like the approach that everybody can choose what s/he likes most. Only, because of the disappearing of konqueror only dolphin remains as a graphical file manager for klicky-klicky-people like me...
Of course its a philosophy to have 10'000 windows open: for each single task another one, and to search the file u are working on in each of these apps.
A bit exaggerated don't you think? You do not have to search for the files in the app if you opened it via the file-manager.
Well, this is only somehow true... - Once digikam is open, for example, I have to navigate in digikam. When I come back to dolphin, I have to navigate there again. I cannot navigate in digikam using the file manager. - The same applies to fileZillam which I have to use, since dolphin is not capable to transfer many files in one task to a remote computer - Searching files is another topic. Dolphin gives quite random rsults (for example when searching a text within a file) - it finds nothing, something or sometimes even all, depending on who knows what... I must use kfind, this means starting it separately, choose path to search etc.
In fact with an index in place often you do not even need a filemanager to navigate to the folder but just use ALT+F2, type the filename and open it.
This doesn't help me. I always have many files with the same name and almost the same contents (same image in different sizes, different editing versions, but same file-names).
And embedding everything forces you to only have one viewer open at the same time, i.e. you cannot compare files unless you open a second konqueror or tile it to death.
No, you are still free to use the different apps, you are not forced to nothing. But konqueror hat *possibilities*. (b.t.w. in regard of comparing files I also miss kuickshow, another geniuous program that disapperad due to lack of developers. In my next life I come back as a linux programmer :-))
However it is sad that the ingenious multi-functional program konqueror disapperad. It is to accept, because linux is free and the devs are free to put their energy where they want, and (except dolphin) there are really many many great apps. But te lack of konqueror *is* sad, it was a central and very helpful tool.
Yep. But apparently not to too many.
I guess most users of Linux are not developpers, just consumers that want a realiable system (therefor not use MS) and not want to be dependent of a single company (therefor also not use Mac). And some, like me, because of the politically important idea of sharing knowledge. SO there may be many people missing something, but that doesn't change anything, because it depends of available devs.
Sven
However, as I cannot bring in anything to a solution in this topic, I consider my texts as rants (I could not resist afetr reading many times "use konq") and I stop now... a nice day to everybody! Daniel -- Daniel Bauer photographer Basel Barcelona professional photography: http://www.daniel-bauer.com erotic nudes: http://www.guapamania.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 19:26:53 schrieb Per Jessen:
I have previews enabled - what I had in mind was the ability to click on an image file and have it displayed _within_ dolphin, just like it did in konqueror. Then close the view with Alt-LeftCursor. The current default of opening and closing an application (gwenview or whatever the default is) is just too slow and cumbersome.
Dolphin was meant as a filemanager and not a viewer. Hence this is not possible. You can use the information panel (F11) or resize the previews to huge but it will never become an image (or anything else)-viewer simply because that is not its purpose – it is a file manager.
If you want to browse pictures, use a picture app like gwenview (F11 for a folder tree or disable the preview pane for faster loading) or digikam.
I just want to browse _files_, of which some are pictures, some are PDFs etc. Occasionally I want to view the contents without unnecessary delay. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (24.2°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 20:54:34 schrieb Per Jessen:
I just want to browse _files_, of which some are pictures, some are PDFs etc. Occasionally I want to view the contents without unnecessary delay.
Then use a quicker viewer than gwenview or keep the viewers in memory, as konqueror did – otherwise it would not have been quicker in loading. As mentioned, dolphin has a different philosophy and is not meant as konqueror2. Maybe krusader or any of all the other apps at your choice fit your needs. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 20:54:34 schrieb Per Jessen:
I just want to browse _files_, of which some are pictures, some are PDFs etc. Occasionally I want to view the contents without unnecessary delay.
Then use a quicker viewer than gwenview or keep the viewers in memory, as konqueror did
Would you care to explain how I do that with dolphin?
– otherwise it would not have been quicker in loading. As mentioned, dolphin has a different philosophy and is not meant as konqueror2. Maybe krusader or any of all the other apps at your choice fit your needs.
Well, I had hoped that dolphin would fit the bill, after all it has replaced konqueror as the default filemanager. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.8°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 22:06:01 schrieb Per Jessen:
Then use a quicker viewer than gwenview or keep the viewers in memory, as konqueror did
Would you care to explain how I do that with dolphin?
Do not close the processes that are used to view the document, i.e. the apps. Or assign another default application for a file-type via systemsettings. AFAIR konqueror used something called kquickview/show or something like that. Maybe it's still around.
Well, I had hoped that dolphin would fit the bill, after all it has replaced konqueror as the default filemanager.
I don't think it will fit your needs. You want konqueror or some other filemanager that acts as viewer as well. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 22:06:01 schrieb Per Jessen:
Then use a quicker viewer than gwenview or keep the viewers in memory, as konqueror did
Would you care to explain how I do that with dolphin?
Do not close the processes that are used to view the document, i.e. the apps. Or assign another default application for a file-type via systemsettings. AFAIR konqueror used something called kquickview/show or something like that. Maybe it's still around.
Okay, thanks.
Well, I had hoped that dolphin would fit the bill, after all it has replaced konqueror as the default filemanager.
I don't think it will fit your needs. You want konqueror or some other filemanager that acts as viewer as well.
Yes, I'm slowly getting to that conclusion as well. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
I've had strigi index a few folders and the PDF's in them still don't display the first page when I mouseover. What I do see is a popup with the PDF icon on the left and some sort of generic (and selectable) meta info on the right. What is odd: the PDF have a mine type of: "text/x-tex, text/x-matlab, application/pdf" That doens't make sense to me. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister said the following on 07/04/2011 03:56 PM:
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 20:54:34 schrieb Per Jessen:
I just want to browse _files_, of which some are pictures, some are PDFs etc. Occasionally I want to view the contents without unnecessary delay.
Then use a quicker viewer than gwenview or keep the viewers in memory, as konqueror did – otherwise it would not have been quicker in loading. As mentioned, dolphin has a different philosophy and is not meant as konqueror2. Maybe krusader or any of all the other apps at your choice fit your needs.
Er, Sven, Konqueror did what Per was asking for by using an EMBEDDED VIEWER, **NOT** a faster loading external viewer. And this isn't about "konqueror2". Yes, Dolphin has a different philosophy. Its clear that it is meant to be ONLY a file manager. It says so at the KDE site - http://dolphin.kde.org/ Perhaps you'd care to point out to us what advantage Dolphin has a file manager over Konqueror as a file manager? I ask that because I see on the web site such things as "... This approach allows to optimize the user interface for the task of file management." But I don't see how. I don't see any advantage - and yes I tried using Dolphin as a file manager to the exclusion of Konqueror for about 2 weeks and went back because I was getting frustrated. -- A sense of humor is part of the art of leadership, of getting along with people, of getting things done. Dwight D. Eisenhower -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 16:50:58 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Er, Sven, Konqueror did what Per was asking for by using an EMBEDDED VIEWER, **NOT** a faster loading external viewer.
I know, I used them. But those were just kparts, i.e. the bits of an external viewer. So loading the viewing bit was quicker the second time etc. simply because it was kept in memory. If you send a picture to an open external viewer it is as quick, simply because it does not have to start.
And this isn't about "konqueror2". Yes, Dolphin has a different philosophy. Its clear that it is meant to be ONLY a file manager. It says so at the KDE site - http://dolphin.kde.org/
Perhaps you'd care to point out to us what advantage Dolphin has a file manager over Konqueror as a file manager?
Not really, because it's cumbersome trying to convince somebody who does not like an app and should simply use another one. The folder pane in konqueror is what dolphin uses and was developed for dolphin. Konqueror does not even have that left. But here are some things dolphin has: integrated search, places pane, info pane, tagging, bread-crumb was first developed for dolphin, cleaned-up toolbar and menus, (settings) GUI, selecting multiple files without keyboard (the + on hovering) was developed for dolphin etc. Actually pretty much all you see in konqueror's folder/file pane, i.e. the views, grouping etc. was developed for dolphin and by its developers and is just used by konqueror now.
I ask that because I see on the web site such things as "... This approach allows to optimize the user interface for the task of file management." But I don't see how. I don't see any advantage - and yes I tried using Dolphin as a file manager to the exclusion of Konqueror for about 2 weeks and went back because I was getting frustrated.
And where exactly is your problem with that? dolphin does not fit your needs. Fair enough. konqueror does. Seems obvious to me. For me it's the other way around thus I do not use konqueror. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 16:50:58 schrieb Anton Aylward:
Er, Sven, Konqueror did what Per was asking for by using an EMBEDDED VIEWER, **NOT** a faster loading external viewer.
I know, I used them. But those were just kparts, i.e. the bits of an external viewer. So loading the viewing bit was quicker the second time etc. simply because it was kept in memory. If you send a picture to an open external viewer it is as quick, simply because it does not have to start.
I thought that might be a workable solution too, but even without closing the default viewer (gwenview), it takes 3 seconds to open a new picture, whereas it takes 1 second in konqueror in KDE3 (openSUSE 10.3). Wall-clock times, not overly scientific I admit. Apologies for this now longish thread - I thought my questions could be answered in a couple of sentences.
Perhaps you'd care to point out to us what advantage Dolphin has a file manager over Konqueror as a file manager?
Not really, because it's cumbersome trying to convince somebody who does not like an app and should simply use another one.
Good answer. If I may - the issue is that dolphin was touted as the konqueror replacement, and you're now saying it isn't, should not and will not be. From the end-user's perspective, useful everyday functionality has been taken away and (apparently) not replaced. That is a Bad Thing(R). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 08:23:25 schrieb Per Jessen:
I thought that might be a workable solution too, but even without closing the default viewer (gwenview), it takes 3 seconds to open a new picture, whereas it takes 1 second in konqueror in KDE3 (openSUSE 10.3). Wall-clock times, not overly scientific I admit.
According to kanenas it works even with 11.1 and a new KDE4 gwenview, i.e. external viewers "in a fraction of a second" – and that although he is not really a KDE4 fan. :) Since 10.3 is long dead there might be some other reason to it. But as I said. You are not bound to gwenview in case optimising its GUI, e.g. disabling the preview bar, does not make it quick enough for you. Konqueror used some app to show the pictures, find that app and use it as external viewer – it might work quicker than gwenview.
Good answer. If I may - the issue is that dolphin was touted as the konqueror replacement, and you're now saying it isn't, should not and will not be. From the end-user's perspective, useful everyday functionality has been taken away and (apparently) not replaced. That is a Bad Thing(R).
No, konqueror is still part of KDE, so how can you claim its functionality was taken away? You got more choice, not less. Konqueror is just not the default file manager anymore, neither is konqueror the default browser anymore. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 08:23:25 schrieb Per Jessen:
I thought that might be a workable solution too, but even without closing the default viewer (gwenview), it takes 3 seconds to open a new picture, whereas it takes 1 second in konqueror in KDE3 (openSUSE 10.3). Wall-clock times, not overly scientific I admit.
According to kanenas it works even with 11.1 and a new KDE4 gwenview, i.e. external viewers "in a fraction of a second" – and that although he is not really a KDE4 fan. :)
Since 10.3 is long dead there might be some other reason to it. But as I said. You are not bound to gwenview in case optimising its GUI, e.g. disabling the preview bar, does not make it quick enough for you.
I do appreciate that, I guess I'm just not used to having to customize KDE so much.
Good answer. If I may - the issue is that dolphin was touted as the konqueror replacement, and you're now saying it isn't, should not and will not be. From the end-user's perspective, useful everyday functionality has been taken away and (apparently) not replaced. That is a Bad Thing(R).
No, konqueror is still part of KDE, so how can you claim its functionality was taken away? You got more choice, not less. Konqueror is just not the default file manager anymore, neither is konqueror the default browser anymore.
Okay, that is true, you're right. See my previous posting regarding the status of konqueror though. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 08:23:25 schrieb Per Jessen:
I thought that might be a workable solution too, but even without closing the default viewer (gwenview), it takes 3 seconds to open a new picture, whereas it takes 1 second in konqueror in KDE3 (openSUSE 10.3). Wall-clock times, not overly scientific I admit.
According to kanenas it works even with 11.1 and a new KDE4 gwenview, i.e. external viewers "in a fraction of a second" – and that although he is not really a KDE4 fan. :)
Since 10.3 is long dead there might be some other reason to it. But as I said. You are not bound to gwenview in case optimising its GUI, e.g. disabling the preview bar, does not make it quick enough for you. Konqueror used some app to show the pictures, find that app and use it as external viewer – it might work quicker than gwenview.
I've checked, afaict, Konqueror used gwenview, but embedded. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (23.4°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 04 July 2011 09:56:24 am Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 20:54:34 schrieb Per Jessen:
I just want to browse _files_, of which some are pictures, some are PDFs etc. Occasionally I want to view the contents without unnecessary delay.
Then use a quicker viewer than gwenview or keep the viewers in memory, as konqueror did – otherwise it would not have been quicker in loading. As mentioned, dolphin has a different philosophy and is not meant as konqueror2. Maybe krusader or any of all the other apps at your choice fit your needs.
Sven
I still use 11.1 with kde3, but have allowed some kde4 components to sneak in. Gwenview is one of them. In the personal settings i have gwenview as the app that opens the pictures in a separate window. When i click on a picture on my trusty old kde3 conq, the very first time it takes about a second and a half to 2 seconds to open, every picture after that opens in a fraction of a second, in a gwenview window, or i can just go to the gwenview window and click on the next pic in the directory, again it gets done in a fraction of a second. The cpu is a 4 year old quad core and it is not overclocked; and right after i click on a pic, i can easily call in kpdf and view the pdf file i need to check at the same time, all it takes is a single click in the conq window that still has the file list open:). Things like that fall in the category of basic functionality. Is this thread telling me that such functionality is lacking in kde4? If so, it is bewildering why it has been removed. gosh, more reasons to stay put... d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 23:26:12 schrieb kanenas@hawaii.rr.com:
I still use 11.1 with kde3, but have allowed some kde4 components to sneak in. Gwenview is one of them. In the personal settings i have gwenview as the app that opens the pictures in a separate window. When i click on a picture on my trusty old kde3 conq, the very first time it takes about a second and a half to 2 seconds to open, every picture after that opens in a fraction of a second, in a gwenview window, or i can just go to the gwenview window and click on the next pic in the directory, again it gets done in a fraction of a second. The cpu is a 4 year old quad core and it is not overclocked; and right after i click on a pic, i can easily call in kpdf and view the pdf file i need to check at the same time, all it takes is a single click in the conq window that still has the file list open:). Things like that fall in the category of basic functionality. Is this thread telling me that such functionality is lacking in kde4? If so, it is bewildering why it has been removed. gosh, more reasons to stay put...
No, you misunderstood Per and Anton – but agreed with me that there is no issue with using external viewers. I guess not quite what you intended. :) Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 05 July 2011 12:14:37 am Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 23:26:12 schrieb kanenas@hawaii.rr.com:
I still use 11.1 with kde3, but have allowed some kde4 components to sneak in. Gwenview is one of them. In the personal settings i have gwenview as the app that opens the pictures in a separate window. When i click on a picture on my trusty old kde3 conq, the very first time it takes about a second and a half to 2 seconds to open, every picture after that opens in a fraction of a second, in a gwenview window, or i can just go to the gwenview window and click on the next pic in the directory, again it gets done in a fraction of a second. The cpu is a 4 year old quad core and it is not overclocked; and right after i click on a pic, i can easily call in kpdf and view the pdf file i need to check at the same time, all it takes is a single click in the conq window that still has the file list open:). Things like that fall in the category of basic functionality. Is this thread telling me that such functionality is lacking in kde4? If so, it is bewildering why it has been removed. gosh, more reasons to stay put...
No, you misunderstood Per and Anton – but agreed with me that there is no issue with using external viewers. I guess not quite what you intended. :)
Sven
actually i wanted to point out that I "preferred" gwenview over the other options that are *still available* to me. besides the *embedded* viewer I can choose gwenview, digicam, showfoto, gimp etc. But my viewer does *not* take 3 seconds for each image and i don't need to keep gwenview open or anything else other than juct clicking on a pic:) looking at 10 pics with a 3 second delay between successive clicks, *is* loss of basic functionality. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
kanenas@hawaii.rr.com said the following on 07/05/2011 06:45 AM:
No, you misunderstood Per and Anton – but agreed with me that there is no issue with using external viewers. I guess not quite what you intended. :)
I suspect that by talking about gwenview per and I have led you down the wrong course. I think gwenview is a good tool, if you have a directory consisting of many pictures you want to view. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the situation where I have a folder consisting of many things. I'm writing a "book" (or equivalent document, YMMV) according to profession) and have a mix of source materials: graphics of various forms, text of various forms, PDF, hyperlinks, all matter of MIME. How many of us have Directories of "just one thing"? And if I do want a quick view of one of the files I have stored as HTML I can view it in Konqueror as well. I don't doubt for one moment that Dolphin can grow to have more capabilities nor that features can be traded back and forth between Dolphin and Konqueror, but I don't see a compelling reason to give up Konqueror and use Dolphin. And yes I've tried. -- "Realizing the importance of the case, my men are rounding up twice the number of usual suspects" - Cpt Renault to Major Strasser, Cassablanaca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011, 19:26:53 schrieb Per Jessen:
I have previews enabled - what I had in mind was the ability to click on an image file and have it displayed _within_ dolphin, just like it did in konqueror. Then close the view with Alt-LeftCursor. The current default of opening and closing an application (gwenview or whatever the default is) is just too slow and cumbersome.
Dolphin was meant as a filemanager and not a viewer. Hence this is not possible. You can use the information panel (F11) or resize the previews to huge but it will never become an image (or anything else)-viewer simply because that is not its purpose – it is a file manager.
Sven, perhaps you know - what is file manager idea behind the "Rating" in the Information panel (F11)? Doesn't appear to be a file manager function ... -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 08:01:03 schrieb Per Jessen:
Sven, perhaps you know - what is file manager idea behind the "Rating" in the Information panel (F11)? Doesn't appear to be a file manager function ...
Rating a file is not a filemanager functionality? Do you want a rating app and what would that show? a filetree and a rating button – so basically the same as dolphin does now? Rating is like renaming, tagging or adding a description (via filename or more modern means) to a file. Is the ability to copy photos or rename their file name a picture manager function? Seems more of a file manager thingy. But of course you can be as strict as to claim that file managers must only copy/move/rename/delete. Seems you are trying a bit too hard to prove something… Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 08:01:03 schrieb Per Jessen:
Sven, perhaps you know - what is file manager idea behind the "Rating" in the Information panel (F11)? Doesn't appear to be a file manager function ...
Rating a file is not a filemanager functionality?
No more so than viewing it, imho.
Do you want a rating app and what would that show? a filetree and a rating button – so basically the same as dolphin does now? Rating is like renaming, tagging or adding a description (via filename or more modern means) to a file.
So rating, tagging and adding a description are now file managerial functions, whereas reviewing isn't and was removed? I have to wonder how I am supposed to rate/tag/describe a file without reviewing it. Anyway, where do we go from here - is konqueror "officially" deprecated and should we stop using it? I mean, the lack of functionality in dolphin is annoying, but if the better alternative _will_ disappear without a replacement, I might as well start converting my back-office users now. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (22.5°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 12:31:14 schrieb Per Jessen:
So rating, tagging and adding a description are now file managerial functions, whereas reviewing isn't and was removed? I have to wonder how I am supposed to rate/tag/describe a file without reviewing it.
You can use previews and you can use the viewer to rate/tag, e.g. digikam, okular etc. But it might indeed be debatable, yet one of them involves covering the filetree, the other not, just as one example why one can be considered more of an external task. And tagging/rating has become very popular indeed, just have a look at mobile devices, sites such as facebook etc. Basically it becomes part of every application – even file managers.
Anyway, where do we go from here - is konqueror "officially" deprecated and should we stop using it? I mean, the lack of functionality in dolphin is annoying, but if the better alternative _will_ disappear without a replacement, I might as well start converting my back-office users now.
You will have to ask upstream. There are certainly some hardcore konqueror defenders (even for the browser) but commits will show you that unless somebody starts contributing – konqueror development stalled. But the beauty of oss is that anybody of the many that want an app like konqueror can start right away. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, July 05, 2011 05:31:14 AM Per Jessen wrote:
So rating, tagging and adding a description are now file managerial functions, whereas reviewing isn't and was removed? I have to wonder how I am supposed to rate/tag/describe a file without reviewing it.
Interesting is that I preview files - although not many types of preview are enabled in Dolphin. Interesting one for me is image that can be enlarged quite a bit, and if I need more details then there is Gwenview. What is not so good is that I didn't find a way to preview image in the same Gwenview window, like I can do with movies in Kaffeine. In other words Kaffeine window just starts playing another avi file, and Gwenview opens another window. On the other hand, Gwenview has own browsing facility, with previews below main image, which works fast. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Couple of questions:
1. is there a possibility to see the summary window (as in Konqueror) by hovering over an icon/file?
Okay, this seems to be gone from Konqueror (in KDE4) too - any chance that it is just a config option I need to toggle? It used to show data specific to the file, different data dependent on the type of file. E.g.: JPEGs - camera data, size PDF - author & software Office - author, title, language, last change etc. MPEGs - frame rates, codecs thanks Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.0°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Hallo Per Jessen, op 2011-07-05 14:46 schreef je:
Per Jessen wrote:
Couple of questions:
1. is there a possibility to see the summary window (as in Konqueror) by hovering over an icon/file?
Okay, this seems to be gone from Konqueror (in KDE4) too - any chance that it is just a config option I need to toggle? It used to show data specific to the file, different data dependent on the type of file. E.g.:
JPEGs - camera data, size PDF - author& software Office - author, title, language, last change etc. MPEGs - frame rates, codecs
Alt+Enter/Right click on a file - properties - information - configure - done. Works in both Konqueror 4.6.00 and Dolphin 1.6 KDE 4.6.00. -- Harrie Baken | Tekstbureau TekstBaken Copy-editing - proofreading - seo http://www.tekstbaken.nl/ | harriebaken@linux.com IRCNet #TekstBaken | Skype: harricot Registered Linux user #366560 | openSUSE 11.4 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Harrie Baken wrote:
Hallo Per Jessen, op 2011-07-05 14:46 schreef je:
Per Jessen wrote:
Couple of questions:
1. is there a possibility to see the summary window (as in Konqueror) by hovering over an icon/file?
Okay, this seems to be gone from Konqueror (in KDE4) too - any chance that it is just a config option I need to toggle? It used to show data specific to the file, different data dependent on the type of file. E.g.:
JPEGs - camera data, size PDF - author& software Office - author, title, language, last change etc. MPEGs - frame rates, codecs
Alt+Enter/Right click on a file - properties - information - configure - done. Works in both Konqueror 4.6.00 and Dolphin 1.6 KDE 4.6.00.
Yes, I tried that, but as far as I can see, it doesn't have the document-type specific information, only the generic info. For instance, in the older Konqueror, when you hover over an office document, you get a window with the document meta-data. For a PDF, you get Title/Subject/Author/Producer/Keywords. I can't get it to remain on screenshot, otherwise I would have posted one. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.6°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen wrote:
Harrie Baken wrote:
Hallo Per Jessen, op 2011-07-05 14:46 schreef je:
Per Jessen wrote:
Couple of questions:
1. is there a possibility to see the summary window (as in Konqueror) by hovering over an icon/file?
Okay, this seems to be gone from Konqueror (in KDE4) too - any chance that it is just a config option I need to toggle? It used to show data specific to the file, different data dependent on the type of file. E.g.:
JPEGs - camera data, size PDF - author& software Office - author, title, language, last change etc. MPEGs - frame rates, codecs
Alt+Enter/Right click on a file - properties - information - configure - done. Works in both Konqueror 4.6.00 and Dolphin 1.6 KDE 4.6.00.
Yes, I tried that, but as far as I can see, it doesn't have the document-type specific information, only the generic info.
Ah, correction - for jpegs I _do_ see the various options. Not for a PDF file and not for office files either. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.9°C) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag, 5. Juli 2011, 15:31:34 schrieb Harrie Baken:
1. is there a possibility to see the summary window (as in Konqueror) by hovering over an icon/file?
Okay, this seems to be gone from Konqueror (in KDE4) too -
Because konqueror does not have its own file view anymore but lives from whatever is done for dolphin.
any chance that it is just a config option I need to toggle? It used to show data specific to the file, different data dependent on the type of file. E.g.:
JPEGs - camera data, size PDF - author& software Office - author, title, language, last change etc. MPEGs - frame rates, codecs
Alt+Enter/Right click on a file - properties - information - configure - done. Works in both Konqueror 4.6.00 and Dolphin 1.6 KDE 4.6.00.
The info panel in dolphin shows this as well, it might depend on nepomuk/strigi though. And I do not like that it sorts that info alphabetically, i.e. title is always a the bottom of the list although it is more important than e.g. bitrate. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Rajko M. -
Sven Burmeister -
Tejas Guruswamy