** Reply to message from Richard Bos on Sun, 19 Aug 2001 15:08:05 +0200 ** > YOU does not check what version is actually installed on the system it ** > updates gee, haven't had problems here , even "totally non- techie" spouse has no probs keeping up to date w/ YOU.. If you do "manual" update it *lists* everything available , recomends some , depending on your setup, and waits for you to choose, nothing is downloaded except the list ... until you slect them... the automagic one has yet to even list things it's already downloaded and installed... afterthought: ALL WIYTH. rhoarcitchad mg keytops swound??

The RPMs where downloaded from ftp.suse.com and installed via YAST. After that when you run YOU it doesn't recognize that your system does not need to be patched anymore. Avi --On Sunday, August 19, 2001 02:48:21 PM +0000 Martin Webster wrote:

On Sunday 19 August 2001 6:18 am, Avi Schwartz wrote:

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I decided to try YOU today after installing 7.2 and it is kind useless that YOU does not check what version is actually installed on the system it updates. I have already downloaded and installed all these RPMs and yet, YOU thinks that I still need to update the system. What gives?

How did you install the RPMs? I've had no problems with YOU so long as I 1) update all standard packages using YOU, 2) use a mirror close to me, 3) dowload only what's essential, and 4) know that the files can be transfered in less than 2 hours (my ISPs modem cutoff period).

You may run into problems if you have manually installed non-standard packages, e.g. latest X-CD-Roast and the CD-R/ISO utilities.

Updates information is saved in /var/lib/YaST/patches/i386/update/7.x and the patches folder.

Does anyone know where the ftp site information is stored? I like to permanently save my favorite ftp site.

M

-- Avi Schwartz avi@CFFtechnologies.com "I have to share the credit. I invented it, but Bill made it famous." - IBM engineer Dave Bradley describing the control-alt-delete reboot sequence

This should have gone to the list: I agree YAST2 is most useful for the automatic updates, but should go farther and allow you to update gnome and kde, as well as other software. I also can't figure out how to get it install software via ftp, which you can do easily with YAST1. My wish list would also include a kernel module tool to load and unload these at boot. For example I need to load usb-storage and ide-scsi at boot up. --- Marianne Taylor On Sunday 19 August 2001 06:08, you wrote:

Op zondag 19 augustus 2001 08:18, schreef je:

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I decided to try YOU today after installing 7.2 and it is kind useless that YOU does not check what version is actually installed on the system it updates. I have already downloaded and installed all these RPMs and yet, YOU thinks that I still need to update the system. What gives?

I've the same, none the less it's really to nice to be able to upgrade the system this way and I hope it is an application under heavy development. I found some other annoyances and I hope that they are being dealt with:

1) YOU does not work via a proxy (even when the env variable ftp_proxy) is being defined 2) The upload does not abort (for me) when I press the abort button 3) The download does not continue where it left after a forced left broken connection. This is a pity in case one is halfway a 16M download :( 4) YOU is not able to online update other modules than "update". It would be nice if it could update the modules "kde", "gnome", "X", etc as well

-- Richard Bos For those who have no home the journey is endless

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, I have transferd over to 7.2 from debian testing and I have found that SuSE's update program is a pile of pants. In debian I can enter the command "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and it will retrieve all the latest updates and install them. Yast2 does not seam to have this power. I have had to manually download the rpms from the suse site and them install them using rpm. This seems to be time consuming and pointless. I have yet to install kde 2 due to the way it works. Regards, Stephen. On Sunday 19 August 2001 16:11, Avi Schwartz wrote:

The RPMs where downloaded from ftp.suse.com and installed via YAST. After that when you run YOU it doesn't recognize that your system does not need to be patched anymore.

Avi

--On Sunday, August 19, 2001 02:48:21 PM +0000 Martin Webster

wrote:

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On Sunday 19 August 2001 6:18 am, Avi Schwartz wrote:

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I decided to try YOU today after installing 7.2 and it is kind useless that YOU does not check what version is actually installed on the system it updates. I have already downloaded and installed all these RPMs and yet, YOU thinks that I still need to update the system. What gives?

How did you install the RPMs? I've had no problems with YOU so long as I 1) update all standard packages using YOU, 2) use a mirror close to me, 3) dowload only what's essential, and 4) know that the files can be transfered in less than 2 hours (my ISPs modem cutoff period).

You may run into problems if you have manually installed non-standard packages, e.g. latest X-CD-Roast and the CD-R/ISO utilities.

Updates information is saved in /var/lib/YaST/patches/i386/update/7.x and the patches folder.

Does anyone know where the ftp site information is stored? I like to permanently save my favorite ftp site.

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On Sunday 19 August 2001 9:34 pm, Richard Bos wrote:

Op zondag 19 augustus 2001 23:03, schreef je:

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I have transferd over to 7.2 from debian testing and I have found that SuSE's update program is a pile of pants. In debian I can enter the command "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and it will retrieve all the latest updates and install them.

Yast2 does not seam to have this power. I have had to manually download the rpms from the suse site and them install them using rpm. This seems to be time consuming and pointless. I have yet to install kde 2 due to the way it works.

The same can be done with the connectiva distribution. They adjusted rpm to apt. I'm looking forward to see Suse doing this as well. It would be great to be able to execute apt-get <anything> and that subsystem (kde, gnome, X, etc) will be updated...

ref: http://distro.conectiva.com.br/projetos/42/

DEB-based systems may be more reliable but it looks as if the Linux Standards Board (LSB) have settled on RPM! So it's highly unlikely that SuSE will change. M

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That is what I have just done. I found the 7.2 distribution far too unstable to work upon. Regards, Stephen. On Sunday 19 Aug 2001 11:50 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote:

On Sunday 19 August 2001 17:03, Stephen J.Thompson wrote:

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Hello all,

I have transferd over to 7.2 from debian testing and I have found that SuSE's update program is a pile of pants. In debian I can enter the command "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" and it will retrieve all the latest updates and install them.

Yast2 does not seam to have this power. I have had to manually download the rpms from the suse site and them install them using rpm. This seems to be time consuming and pointless. I have yet to install kde 2 due to the way it works.

Then perhaps you should return to that with which you are happy....

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