[opensuse] claws-mail on leap
I did something foolish and now I'm looking for help to understand what I did wrong and how to recover from it. I'm [still] setting up a new machine with Leap and have got to the scary part where I try to transfer my email account to it. I currently run a very old Evolution on a different old machine but want to move to Claws. I first installed Mint on the new machine and installed Claws and managed to set it up. I then ran up Evolution on the old machine to empty my ISP's mailbox, then shut that down and started Claws on Mint and checked that I could send and receive messages successfully. Then I shut down Mint and went back to using Evolution on my old machine. Time passed, I installed Leap on the new machine and installed Claws. Then I made my mistakes. Firstly I forgot to power up the old machine and download the mail from my ISP using Evolution. So there were a bunch of messages sitting there. Next I couldn't remember my mail password so I copied the Claws config from Mint to Leap and used that to start Claws. The good news is that it connected and downloaded over a hundred messages from my ISP. The bad news is that those messages don't seem to show up anywhere in Claws and I haven't managed to find them on the disk either. So I'd welcome any thoughts as to where Claws might have put them and why they didn't show up in its GUI. I do hope it hasn't deleted them! Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-05-20 12:36, Dave Howorth wrote:
I did something foolish and now I'm looking for help to understand what I did wrong and how to recover from it.
I'm [still] setting up a new machine with Leap and have got to the scary part where I try to transfer my email account to it. I currently run a very old Evolution on a different old machine but want to move to Claws.
Assuming your account is IMAP, as most accounts are, you don't need to transfer anything. You just set it up in as many machines as you want. Even a hundred machines. Just use mail, simultaneously or not. Now, if you store email locally, you may have problems. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On 2016-05-20 13:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-05-20 12:36, Dave Howorth wrote:
I did something foolish and now I'm looking for help to understand what I did wrong and how to recover from it.
I'm [still] setting up a new machine with Leap and have got to the scary part where I try to transfer my email account to it. I currently run a very old Evolution on a different old machine but want to move to Claws.
Assuming your account is IMAP, as most accounts are, you don't need to transfer anything. You just set it up in as many machines as you want. Even a hundred machines. Just use mail, simultaneously or not.
I was brought up on systems that used to crash when the mail servers got full. Nowadays I don't want to leave my personal mail on the net for all the hackers in the world to search. So I download and delete the online copy.
Now, if you store email locally, you may have problems.
And that's why I'm asking :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 05/20/2016 09:00 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-05-20 13:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Assuming your account is IMAP, as most accounts are, you don't need to transfer anything. You just set it up in as many machines as you want. Even a hundred machines. Just use mail, simultaneously or not.
I was brought up on systems that used to crash when the mail servers got full.
The economics of a service provider today is quite different from when I was running a "Board" for the local community and a mail-bomb (attaching the OS/2 installation floppy disk seemed to be a popular mode). My service provider gives me, what is for my purposes; effectively unlimited storage and bandwidth. Its my local "last mile" cable company that is the problem; limited bandwidth, cap on transfer volume, punitive over-run fees. Its these last-mile provisions that are going to be the real impediment to the dream of cloud computing and univesal IoT.
Nowadays I don't want to leave my personal mail on the net for all the hackers in the world to search.
That's an arguable point and depends on the service provider. Some are more diligent than others. Some do store your messages in encrypted format. YMMV. That's your decision. Personally I like the idea of IMAP for that very reason. My service provider lets me run spam and other filtering as things are delivered to my mailbox, before I even connect. And makes it easy to update. You want a "plonk"? Well don't even waste bandwidth downloading the header/message to run your own SpamAssassin/filter! So I see what's left after than. I can scan and delete. Again I don't have to waste bandwidth.
So I download and delete the online copy.
I can then be *very* choosy over which messages I *do* choose to download and keep. Again I save bandwidth. Running in "POP3" mode, however you choose to do that or its equivalent, is going to eat your bandwidth and load up your machine with unwanted email you have to run decision on locally. its not fashionable to think of IMAP as "cloud computing" but lets face it, having my service provider run SpamAssassin and apply my rules on incoming mail to my mailboxes is more definitely a remote service, most definitely applying HIS commuting power rather than mine. Isn't this what is being touted by the talking heads as "cloud computing" and "Software as a Service"? The issue isn't whether its his computer or your computer that's doing the filtering. There's nothing preventing you downloading the messages after the discard process has been applied. But why consume YOUR bandwidth and disk storage with the junk in the first place when you don't need to? If you are really concerned about the security of your messaging then I would do what the security pundits advise and make use of "classification". There are specific security communication tools out there. There are ones that utilise secure/encrypted channels, secure/encrypted storage. Use them for the communications that *need* to be secure and the regular SMTP/IMAP/TLS for the ones that are classified as "banal". Lets face it, the messages on this list are archived and available for anyone, even non-list members, to read. So that part of you "personal email" is "left on the net" for anyone to read anyway. "Banal" as a classification doesn't necessarily mean "Boring", Try "not interesting". To be honest, a lot more than half the posts here are "not interesting" to 90% of the subscribers; that applies to just about any list. It's why most lists have so many 'silent lurkers'. If you are concerned about the security of the process of logging on and reading, than look into setting up access your IMAP account using TLS as the sign-on protocol and IMAP-S as the communication protocol. If you service provider does not support these then I strongly *VERY STRONGLY* suggest that you get another provider who actually cares about your security and protection of personal information. Here's an example of one provider's How-To for setting up secure IMAP: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Email_Client_Configuration#Secure_IMAP_incoming_co... Do I hear a "yes, but" argument? All a "yes, but" argument tells me is that even though the technology is there, and is easy and simple, the provider or the user doesn't really care about security. A: Yes. > Q: Are you sure? >> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >>> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-05-20 14:43, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 05/20/2016 09:00 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-05-20 13:52, Carlos E. R. wrote: [snip]
I don't actually want to change how I get my mail, thanks. I just want to find the missing messages! Cheers, Dave -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri 20 May 2016 02:51:38 PM CDT, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-05-20 14:43, Anton Aylward wrote:
On 05/20/2016 09:00 AM, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-05-20 13:52, Carlos E. R. wrote: [snip]
I don't actually want to change how I get my mail, thanks.
I just want to find the missing messages!
Cheers, Dave Hi OK, my mail is in ~/Local\ Mail, so if I look in Configuration -> Edit Accounts -> default account -> Edit Account and under receive I see #mh/Local Mail/inbox
So it should be in a folder to what is ever in the #mh section AFAIK. -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° LFCS, SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE Leap 42.1|GNOME 3.16.2|4.1.20-11-default up 5 days 22:24, 7 users, load average: 0.02, 0.13, 0.24 CPU AMD Athlon(tm) II X4 635 @ 2.90GHz | GPU Nvidia GeForce 8800 GT -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2016-05-20 15:00, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-05-20 13:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Now, if you store email locally, you may have problems.
And that's why I'm asking :)
I'm a bit confused with your description, though. I hope that the historic mail storage is still on the old machine, you haven't lost that. What is missing are the new email that claws appeared to download but you can not find, claws does not display them. Weird... Is the above correct? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)
On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 19:14 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2016-05-20 15:00, Dave Howorth wrote:
On 2016-05-20 13:52, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Now, if you store email locally, you may have problems.
And that's why I'm asking :)
I'm a bit confused with your description, though. I hope that the historic mail storage is still on the old machine, you haven't lost that. What is missing are the new email that claws appeared to download but you can not find, claws does not display them. Weird...
Is the above correct?
Yes, that's correct. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Anton Aylward
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Dave Howorth
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Malcolm