Robert Schweikert wrote:

Johan wrote:

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Good afternoon,

using..opensuse 11.2 - gnome desktop.

In windows xp there is a internet monitoring tool called "Networx". It is a small window always on top and showing data in an out if any.

Don't know what "Networkx" does but you might be looking for a bar graph showing network traffic on the machine. There are a number of tools on Linux, one is the "System Monitor Applet"

Right click on the panel, select "Add to Panel". In the window scroll down to "System Monitor", select it and click "Add".

Once the applet is displayed in the panel right click to set the preferences.

HTH, Robert

NetworkX needs Python which is most likely on your box. See here. http://networkx.lanl.gov/install.html -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/01/2010 06:07 PM, Tony Alfrey wrote:

Robert Schweikert wrote:

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Johan wrote:

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Good afternoon,

using..opensuse 11.2 - gnome desktop.

In windows xp there is a internet monitoring tool called "Networx". It is a small window always on top and showing data in an out if any.

Don't know what "Networkx" does but you might be looking for a bar graph showing network traffic on the machine. There are a number of tools on Linux, one is the "System Monitor Applet"

Right click on the panel, select "Add to Panel". In the window scroll down to "System Monitor", select it and click "Add".

Once the applet is displayed in the panel right click to set the preferences.

HTH, Robert

NetworkX needs Python which is most likely on your box. See here. http://networkx.lanl.gov/install.html

Thanks. If it is not a suse rpm then it is beyond my knowledge. Johan Sch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Johan said the following on 03/01/2010 01:24 PM:

On 03/01/2010 05:46 PM, Robert Schweikert wrote:

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Johan wrote:

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Good afternoon,

using..opensuse 11.2 - gnome desktop.

In windows xp there is a internet monitoring tool called "Networx". It is a small window always on top and showing data in an out if any.

Don't know what "Networkx" does but you might be looking for a bar graph showing network traffic on the machine. There are a number of tools on Linux, one is the "System Monitor Applet"

Right click on the panel, select "Add to Panel". In the window scroll down to "System Monitor", select it and click "Add".

Once the applet is displayed in the panel right click to set the preferences.

HTH, Robert

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Now please would there be something similar in opensuse 11.2.

Thanks. system monitor does help. Would like something that only handles the internet connection and if it does not self install then it would be beyond my knowledge.

Yikes, there must be ozens of these things! Just in the applets or the desktop bubblemon system load monitor five different "system monitors" I look in yast -> software installation and search for "monitor" and I get a LOT of hits. OK, most are not what you want, but look at etherape - ntop - which I found very interesting gkrelim - which was so flexible I wasted a lot of time watching its output, but certainly can tell you a lot about your network! iptraf knemo - what fun! nagios - probably more than you want Try Knemo first -- The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either -- Benjamin Franklin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 03/01/2010 10:06 PM, C wrote:

On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 20:02, Anton Aylward wrote:

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Yikes, there must be ozens of these things!

Just in the applets or the desktop bubblemon system load monitor five different "system monitors"

I look in yast -> software installation and search for "monitor" and I get a LOT of hits. OK, most are not what you want, but look at

etherape - ntop - which I found very interesting gkrelim - which was so flexible I wasted a lot of time watching its output, but certainly can tell you a lot about your network!

iptraf knemo - what fun! nagios - probably more than you want

Try Knemo first

Another to add to the list... SuperKaramba - in the repos, and has literally hundreds of plugins that monitor various bits of your hardware including network traffic - my favorite plugin for SuperKaramba is Cynapsis.

C. Thankyou. Will look at this. Regards. Johan Sch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Johan said the following on 03/02/2010 02:13 AM:

Thanks for your kindness Thats a lot to look at. Regards Johan Sch

Question for you: Where did you look previously before posting your question? While I thought looking for applet and looking in the repositories glaringly obvious, I know on other forums with other subject matter you'd be told sharply to "go google'. So where did you look before posting your question? There's a lot I don't know about openSuse, and I often find the openSuse.org site confusing and difficult to search, so I do appreciate it when people here give me pointers there. I also find the archives of this list useful :-) But I would have thought looking in "yast -> software installation" to be so obvious.... Apart from "grep", "find" and "apropos" its the search failityI use most often on my machine. -- "Yes, the setting is a worthy one. If the devil did desire to have a hand in the affairs of men--" "Then you are yourself inclining to the supernatural explanation." "The devil's agents may be of flesh and blood, may they not?" -- Sherlock Holmes and Watson, in "The Hound of the Baskervilles" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

C said the following on 03/02/2010 08:04 AM:

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 13:20, Anton Aylward wrote:

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There's a lot I don't know about openSuse, and I often find the openSuse.org site confusing and difficult to search, so I do appreciate it when people here give me pointers there. I also find the archives of this list useful :-) But I would have thought looking in "yast -> software installation" to be so obvious.... Apart from "grep", "find" and "apropos" its the search failityI use most often on my machine.

Sometimes the trick is knowing what you're looking for. Something that's rather hard to do when you're new to openSUSE or Linux :-P If you know what you want, then the openSUSE site isn't too bad for finding that 1-Click link or whatever. If you don't know your search terms though... it's a challenge to say the least.

Its not that 1-click kind of stuff I have problems with, not 'terms' as such but concepts and expressions. Right now I'm trying to find out how to move /boot to another partition and make it work. I have questions like ... The screen at "yast -> System -> Boot Loader Settings", tab "Boot loader Installation" has a number of check-off boxes [ ] Boot from Master Boot Record [ ] Boot from Root partition [ ] Boot from Boot partition [ ] Boot from Extended partition [ ] Custom Boot partition When I installed I had /boot in a regular partition and /root in an extended partition. I'm trying to set up a new /boot partition as regular partition. But ... but ... but Firstly, why are these check boxes? You can only boot from one place at a time. What if you check them all off? That doesn't make sense to me. My original installation put the /root in an extended partition. Would I have to check BOTH boxes to boot from that? If I use the Custom box to specify my newly created partition do I have to copy all of the old /boot over to the new partition? what about changing its mount? No, that can't be right, the old /boot/grub/menu.lst specified root (hd0,5) all over the place. I *think* that means the first partition in the extended partition, the extended being counted as #4 - yes I found that in the documentation. But ... but ... but .. My installation doesn't have both the "Boot from Boot partition" and the "Boot from Extended partition" checked, only the "Boot from Boot partition" -- even though its IN the Extended partition. So, help me here. What search terms *should* I be using? Are you saying that there's a 1-click for all of this? I don't think so. Oh, and when will openSuse move to Grub2 ? -- Good teaching is one-fourth preparation and three-fourths theater. Gail Godwin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dave Howorth said the following on 03/02/2010 09:35 AM:

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If I use the Custom box to specify my newly created partition do I have to copy all of the old /boot over to the new partition? what about changing its mount?

Well /boot is used by grub. So the whole concept of mount is irrelevant. You need to have a *consistent* set of whatever files grub needs to boot your system.

Well DUH! So if its not mounted how do you rebuild it? Isn't there a command that figures OK, so partition /dev/sdaXX is mounted on /mnt/disk and I have a pointer to that, so I'll put all what's needed to boot in there and make the references in /mnt/disk/grub/menu.lst point to /dev/sdaXX

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No, that can't be right, the old /boot/grub/menu.lst specified root (hd0,5) all over the place. I *think* that means the first partition in the extended partition, the extended being counted as #4 - yes I found that in the documentation.

Which documentation? (hd0,5) is the *second* extended partition - see http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Naming-convention.html

Which is where it says (hd0,4) This specifies the first extended partition of the first hard disk drive. Note that the partition numbers for extended partitions are counted from `4', regardless of the actual number of primary partitions on your hard disk. Perhaps you're reading that differently from the way I am. Oh, so we're using the GNU version of Grub. I wasn't aware of that. Can you tell me where on the openSuse.org site I can verify that? And why isn't this docco on the opensuse.org site? Lets see, I have from fdisk: reordered to make sense Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 1275 10241406 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda2 1276 2530 10080787+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda4 2531 2550 160650 83 Linux /dev/sda3 * 2551 9729 57665317+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda6 2551 2557 56164+ 83 Linux (/boot) /dev/sda7 2558 2836 2241036 83 Linux (/) /dev/sda8 2837 2845 72261 82 Linux swap /dev/sda5 2846 9729 55295698+ 8e Linux LVM The sda4 is the "newboot" that I made by shrinking sda2 and where I want to move to My /etc/fstab tells me /dev/sda6 /boot ext3 /dev/sda7 / ext3 /dev/sda8 swap swap So the /boot is the FIRST partition in the extended partition. And in /boot/grub/menu.lst I have title openSUSE 11.2 - 2.6.31.12-0.1 (pae) root (hd0,5) So what I think is that (hd0,4) is the actual extended partition, not the 'first' partition in the extended partition. However all this just goes to further demonstrate my confusion. You'll not that I'm not asking questions blindly here. I *have* dug and examined. I have googled and found some pretty atrocious technician writing on the subject. I have met articles that say grub0.97 isn't worth bothering with. -- Don't think you are going to conceal thoughts by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Dwight D. Eisenhower, speech at Dartmouth College, June 14, 1953 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

--- On Tue, 3/2/10, Anton Aylward wrote:

Dave Howorth said the following on 03/02/2010 09:35 AM:

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... Lets see, I have  from fdisk: reordered to make sense

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 1275 10241406 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda2 1276 2530 10080787+ 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda4 2531 2550 160650 83 Linux /dev/sda3 * 2551 9729 57665317+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA) /dev/sda6 2551 2557 56164+ 83 Linux (/boot) /dev/sda7 2558 2836 2241036 83 Linux (/) /dev/sda8 2837 2845 72261 82 Linux swap /dev/sda5 2846 9729 55295698+ 8e Linux LVM

The sda4 is the "newboot" that I made by shrinking sda2 and where I want to move to

So what I think is that (hd0,4) is the actual extended partition, not the 'first' partition in the extended partition.

The "extended partition" CONTAINS additional "logical partitions" -- at least this was always the case with IDE drives. The drive used to allow only 4 physical partitions. To get more than 4 partitions on your drive, you would have to take one of the physical partitions and subdivide it into "logical patritions". The divided partion would then be called the "extended partition". Obviously, on your drive, the "extended partition" is sda3. When you install onto a clean drive, the partitions are numbered in the order in which they are found on the drive -- that has always been my experience. When you insert partitions later, I don't know what happens, but leaving the numbers of the existing partitions unchanged makes sense -- the numbers might be referenced by the existing installations. That might explain why sda4 now precedes sda3. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2010-03-02 at 12:21 -0800, Charles Obler wrote: ...

When you install onto a clean drive, the partitions are numbered in the order in which they are found on the drive -- that has always been my experience.

Rather the order in which they are created - which can change, the "history" of the drive can change it.

When you insert partitions later, I don't know what happens, but leaving the numbers of the existing partitions unchanged makes sense -- the numbers might be referenced by the existing installations.

That might explain why sda4 now precedes sda3.

Correct. Actually, changing the numbers is not trivial, and is dangerous. Better not touch. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkuNeIsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Um1ACeKmZ1o+2U5rTr0wrbLRn31jT3 A9MAnRJtUHqTknksZ3yLd6EpvLCT+IP2 =D86E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2010-03-02 at 10:32 -0500, Anton Aylward wrote:

Which is where it says

(hd0,4) This specifies the first extended partition of the first hard disk drive. Note that the partition numbers for extended partitions are counted from `4', regardless of the actual number of primary partitions on your hard disk.

Perhaps you're reading that differently from the way I am.

Partitions 1 to 4 are primaries. If one of them (and only one) is defined as extended, then you get as many logical partitions as you want, counting from 5 onwards. To grub, numbers start at '0', so things change a bit.

Oh, so we're using the GNU version of Grub. I wasn't aware of that. Can you tell me where on the openSuse.org site I can verify that?

That we are using gnu grub? Use the command "rpm -qi grub". It is the standard grub with some patches applied by openSUSE.

And why isn't this docco on the opensuse.org site?

It is there, in the obvious place. Did you search? http://en.opensuse.org/GRUB

Lets see, I have from fdisk: reordered to make sense

Don't reorder.

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 1 1275 10241406 7 HPFS/NTFS /dev/sda2 1276 2530 10080787+ 7 HPFS/NTFS

/dev/sda4 2531 2550 160650 83 Linux

/dev/sda3 * 2551 9729 57665317+ f W95 Ext'd (LBA)

/dev/sda6 2551 2557 56164+ 83 Linux (/boot)

/dev/sda7 2558 2836 2241036 83 Linux (/) /dev/sda8 2837 2845 72261 82 Linux swap

/dev/sda5 2846 9729 55295698+ 8e Linux LVM

The sda4 is the "newboot" that I made by shrinking sda2 and where I want to move to

My /etc/fstab tells me

/dev/sda6 /boot ext3 /dev/sda7 / ext3 /dev/sda8 swap swap

So the /boot is the FIRST partition in the extended partition.

No, it is partition number 6, ie, the SECOND logical partition (#5 is the first)

And in /boot/grub/menu.lst I have

title openSUSE 11.2 - 2.6.31.12-0.1 (pae) root (hd0,5)

(hd0,5) is /dev/sda6. Correct.

However all this just goes to further demonstrate my confusion.

Indeed :-)

You'll not that I'm not asking questions blindly here. I *have* dug and examined. I have googled and found some pretty atrocious technician writing on the subject. I have met articles that say grub0.97 isn't worth bothering with.

Well... Version 2 is not ready yet for real world use, I mean, for us. But version 1.x is no longer maintained, and worse, it does not boot ext4... so we use version 1.x with patches. Want to know more? Read the factory list, browse its archive. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkuNd8QACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VlAgCghrrbTQHME/BYEc71IlpYk5t1 2p0An2fOp/bR91sy39PH630XtrdJn88T =B4Q8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2010-03-02 at 16:21 -0500, Anton Aylward wrote:

Carlos E. R. said the following on 03/02/2010 03:40 PM:

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It is there, in the obvious place. Did you search?

http://en.opensuse.org/GRUB

Ah. All upper case.

As I said, did you search? I mean, did you type "grub" in the site search box? >:-) First hit.

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Lets see, I have from fdisk: reordered to make sense

Don't reorder

Re-ordering sorts it by partition order rather than /dev/name Since grub, sorry, GRUB, works that way I thought it would make some views easier.

No, grub does not reorder. Number five is number five regardless the order it has.

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No, it is partition number 6, ie, the SECOND logical partition (#5 is the first)

Go back and count.

I don't need to count. Partition 6, /dev/sda6, is always the second logical partition, by definition.

There are partitons

1 /dev/sda1 1 1275 10241406 7 HPFS/NTFS 2 /dev/sda2 1276 2530 10080787+ 7 HPFS/NTFS that I shrank in order to create 3 /dev/sda4 2531 2550 160650 83 Linux 4 /dev/sda3 * 2551 9729 57665317+ f W95 Ext'd

and in the extended partition the first partition is

5 /dev/sda6 2551 2557 56164+ 83 Linux (/boot)

No, sda5 is the first, always. Cylinder order is irrelevant. Don't bother about the order the partitions are defined in the disk, the important thing is the numbers assigned to them. And the sofware will not get confused by that. Only us ;-)

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And in /boot/grub/menu.lst I have

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title openSUSE 11.2 - 2.6.31.12-0.1 (pae) root (hd0,5)

(hd0,5) is /dev/sda6. Correct.

Now since grub, sorry, GRUB, counts from zero, why is this "5" and not "4"?

Ah. (hd0,5) sda6 (hd0,4) sda5 (hd0,3) sda4 (hd0,2) sda3 (hd0,1) sda2 (hd0,0) sda1 That's programmesse >:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEUEARECAAYFAkuNh4cACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VBrQCXUbBgGX4WkMJf9a0SgXjLcvjS cwCeIMZaa0Ze2HnkdiKJYwL6MHevcIY= =19jA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2010-03-03 at 08:15 -0800, Charles Obler wrote:

Maybe you are both right. As I recall, it's possible to put the boot record in the first track of the extended partition (sda3) -- that explains the asterisk in the "Boot" column.

Correct. But it only works for grub, AFAIK. Maybe it needs a generic code in the MBR that recognizes that the extended partition is marked bootable. I have that setup in my portable and it works.

The kernel cannot go in this special track, however. It requires a regular partition, either physical or logical -- that explains why sda6 is MOUNTED as "/boot".

The kernel can not go there because it is too big for that. Only a small piece of code (the grub loader) goes to the start of the extended partition.

sda3 contains the MBR (boot RECORD) sda6 contains the kernel

Almost. sda3 contains a boot record, not the MBR (master boot record). The MBR can only go to the first sector of the disk, and also contains the partition table in those 512 bytes. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkuOzdQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VE3ACfcv14GiPBnRU/S6VTGK/p9ft5 /y4AnjbBH9AmfgdXscmsMke8ayYAxm8f =Hq0Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:25:06 +0200 Johan wrote:

On 03/02/2010 01:57 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 17:37 +0200, Johan wrote:

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Good afternoon, using..opensuse 11.2 - gnome desktop.

gnome-system-monitor, for the full app. There is a also a related toolbar widget that can graph a variety of statistics. Thanks. Already tried. Not what I am looking for. Regards. Johan Sch Hi Have you looked at gkrellm?

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Thanks to all list members that responded. Decided on gkrellm. Disabled all displays not required. Left only "internet". Its grafical. Rgds. Johan Sch On 03/02/2010 08:23 PM, Johan wrote:

On 03/02/2010 07:35 PM, Malcolm wrote:

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On Tue, 02 Mar 2010 19:25:06 +0200 Johan wrote:

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On 03/02/2010 01:57 PM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

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On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 17:37 +0200, Johan wrote:

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Good afternoon, using..opensuse 11.2 - gnome desktop.

gnome-system-monitor, for the full app. There is a also a related toolbar widget that can graph a variety of statistics. Thanks. Already tried. Not what I am looking for. Regards. Johan Sch Hi Have you looked at gkrellm?

It is on the list of possible choices that have to try out. Thanks. Rgds. Johan Sch

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