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lynn

18 Feb 2009 18 Feb '09

17:33

Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0? Thanks L -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Gabriel

18 Feb 18 Feb

18:00

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM, lynn wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

X is xorg. do you want to downgrade from 7.4 to 7.3 ? or you want to replace the desktop (gnome, kde, xfce) ? -- Kind Regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

lynn

20:20

On Wednesday 18 February 2009 19:00:00 Gabriel wrote:

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:33 PM, lynn wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

X is xorg. do you want to downgrade from 7.4 to 7.3 ?

Yes. Thanks for the other responses too, some convincing. I really appreciate the time you have given me. What I want to do is the downgrade. Is there a way? Using 11.0 is not an option. Cheers, L -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philip Dowie

20:29

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

X is xorg. do you want to downgrade from 7.4 to 7.3 ?

Yes. Thanks for the other responses too, some convincing. I really appreciate the time you have given me. What I want to do is the downgrade. Is there a way? Using 11.0 is not an option.

I guess you could use the RPMs from the 11.0 distribution.. But you may end up with a dependancy hell.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

lynn

20:44

On Wednesday 18 February 2009 21:29:10 Philip Dowie wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

X is xorg. do you want to downgrade from 7.4 to 7.3 ?

Yes. Thanks for the other responses too, some convincing. I really appreciate the time you have given me. What I want to do is the downgrade. Is there a way? Using 11.0 is not an option.

I guess you could use the RPMs from the 11.0 distribution.. But you may end up with a dependancy hell..

I tried that. You are right. It's impossible. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer

20:50

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 3:44 PM, lynn wrote:

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On Wednesday 18 February 2009 21:29:10 Philip Dowie wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

X is xorg. do you want to downgrade from 7.4 to 7.3 ?

Yes. Thanks for the other responses too, some convincing. I really appreciate the time you have given me. What I want to do is the downgrade. Is there a way? Using 11.0 is not an option.

Why not? I don't think the kernel ABI is drastically different between the 11.0 and 11.1 kernels, so you should be able upgrade the kernel easily enough. Then for other non-gui packages, I would think you could just upgrade them from the 11.1 repositories. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

21:10

On 2009/02/18 15:50 (GMT-0500) Greg Freemyer composed:

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I don't think the kernel ABI is drastically different between the 11.0 and 11.1 kernels, so you should be able upgrade the kernel easily enough.

I've been running kernel-pae-2.6.27 from http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/ilya_41/openSUSE_11.0/i586/ on 11.0 continuously for 30 days, 23:12 hours. -- "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up." Ephesians 4:29 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

18:17

On Wednesday February 18 2009, lynn wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

Why do you want to do this?

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Thanks L

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lynn

20:17

On Wednesday 18 February 2009 19:17:54 Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Wednesday February 18 2009, lynn wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

Why do you want to do this?

My network uses 6 year old Dell computers with Intel graphics. L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

20:46

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-02-18 at 21:17 +0100, lynn wrote:

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On Wednesday 18 February 2009 19:17:54 Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

Why do you want to do this?

My network uses 6 year old Dell computers with Intel graphics.

Then, either use 11.1 with the entire X and more recompiled from the 11.0 sources, or use 11.0 with everything you need from 11.1 recompiled from source. I wouldn't like being in your shoes. I'd stick to 11.0, yes or yes. If 11.0 is not an option, then the option is the previous answer, ie, 11.0, like it or not. >:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkmcc70ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UuYwCfXGRDumnJlGHb8IKEPmcAylX9 18EAn1aXcKA0oLEds4AN1Gpy+9QcuNZh =gOzN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Will Stephenson

19 Feb 19 Feb

08:08

On Wednesday 18 February 2009 21:17:57 lynn wrote:

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On Wednesday 18 February 2009 19:17:54 Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Wednesday February 18 2009, lynn wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

Why do you want to do this?

My network uses 6 year old Dell computers with Intel graphics.

Create a build service project that builds vs 11.1 but links all the xorg-* packages from the openSUSE:11.0 project. Then either install those specific 7.3 versions (the lazy way) or create yourself a product with your older xorgs using info linked from this blog (the right way). http://lizards.opensuse.org/2009/02/11/product-creation-with-the-opensuse- build-service/ Will -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Andrew Joakimsen

18 Feb 18 Feb

21:31

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 13:17, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Wednesday February 18 2009, lynn wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

Why do you want to do this?

Something in 11.1 makes the ATI driver unusable. It's not the ATI driver because under 11.0 it works just fine. Bug reports that mention the "proprietary" driver get rejected... catch-22... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata

22:02

On 2009/02/18 16:31 (GMT-0500) Andrew Joakimsen composed:

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 13:17, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

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Something in 11.1 makes the ATI driver unusable. It's not the ATI driver because under 11.0 it works just fine. Bug reports that mention the "proprietary" driver get rejected... catch-22...

Lynn's machines all have Intel video. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445320#c3 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-12/msg01118.html -- "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up." Ephesians 4:29 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Pit Suetterlin

19 Feb 19 Feb

12:38

Felix Miata wrote:

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Lynn's machines all have Intel video. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=445320#c3 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2008-12/msg01118.html

Yes, and the intel driver (at least for old chips) is crap like hell. The reason why I'm at 11.0 (back to it, actually, after testing 11.1) Pit -- Dr. Peter "Pit" Suetterlin http://www.astro.su.se/~pit Institute for Solar Physics Tel.: +34 922 405 590 (Spain) P.Suetterlin@royac.iac.es +46 8 5537 8534 (Sweden) Peter.Suetterlin@astro.su.se -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

lynn

19:21

New subject: [opensuse] replacing X SOLVED

On Wednesday 18 February 2009 22:31:05 Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 13:17, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Wednesday February 18 2009, lynn wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

Why do you want to do this?

Something in 11.1 makes the ATI driver unusable

I don't think that's true but in saying it you gave me the answer to my Intel problem. An old rage 32Mb card works fine and much faster than the NoAccel intel. You have to unscrew the mounting bracket to get it into a Dell. A riva tnt works fine too. ebay has them for $10. I didn't know you could use cards with intel video. Luv L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin

5 Mar 5 Mar

18:47

New subject: [opensuse] replacing X SOLVED

lynn wrote:

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On Wednesday 18 February 2009 22:31:05 Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 13:17, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Wednesday February 18 2009, lynn wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0? Why do you want to do this? Something in 11.1 makes the ATI driver unusable

I don't think that's true but in saying it you gave me the answer to my Intel problem. An old rage 32Mb card works fine and much faster than the NoAccel intel. You have to unscrew the mounting bracket to get it into a Dell. A riva tnt works fine too. ebay has them for $10. I didn't know you could use cards with intel video.

Luv L x

If you still want to delve deeper into replacing X by building it yourself, you can start with: http://www.3111skyline.com/linux/intel-LinuxDriver.php It will provide a roadmap for you. As far as an rpm downgrade is concerned, I don't know what X releases are available for 11.1, but if there are sets of, say, 7.4 rpms and 7.3 rpms, a direct replacement shouldn't be that difficult at all. I did a similar downgrade from 7.3 to 7.2 on 10.3 without any issues. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

lynn

20:40

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On Thursday 05 March 2009 19:47:43 David C. Rankin wrote:

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lynn wrote:

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On Wednesday 18 February 2009 22:31:05 Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 13:17, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Wednesday February 18 2009, lynn wrote:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

Why do you want to do this?

Something in 11.1 makes the ATI driver unusable

I don't think that's true but in saying it you gave me the answer to my Intel problem. An old rage 32Mb card works fine and much faster than the NoAccel intel. You have to unscrew the mounting bracket to get it into a Dell. A riva tnt works fine too. ebay has them for $10. I didn't know you could use cards with intel video.

Luv L x

If you still want to delve deeper into replacing X by building it yourself, you can start with:

http://www.3111skyline.com/linux/intel-LinuxDriver.php

It will provide a roadmap for you.

Thanks for thinking about me. Coincidentally, the bug was fixed in todays opensuse xorg update. The Intel driver now works correctly. L. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Cristian Rodríguez

18 Feb 18 Feb

18:52

lynn escribió:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

You dont really want that. -- "The 'sanctity of life' is kind of a selective thing..we get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest, pretty neat deal huh ?" -George Carlin (1937-2008) Cristian Rodríguez R. Software Developer Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/

Felix Miata

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On 2009/02/18 18:33 (GMT+0100) lynn composed:

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Is it possible to replace the X from 11.1 with the X from 11.0?

Is the reason you ask because you were happy with the way 11.0 worked, but not with the way 11.1 works? Do you use one of the video chips that has had problematic drivers lately, such as Intel? If yes to both, just reinstall 11.0, and if there's something important and newer in 11.1, try to get just that from build service or compile it yourself. I recently built a new server for myself. I put it into service over a month after 11.1 was released. It uses 11.0. I have many systems and many operating system installations still working. Largely I have them to test new releases while in alpha and beta, and this goes back to before Novell made openSUSE out of SuSE. This provides insight on whether to skip using a release for production purposes. That insight lead me to skip 9.x, 10.1, 10.3 & 11.1 so far. Understand though that what works best for me isn't necessarily the same for everyone else. In the future, don't replace your old OS. Instead, add it. / only needs a small fraction of the space available on modern HDs, so you can have more than one and still have plenty space for data. That way, if the latest blows, you just don't use it, but stick with the old until the next release provides another chance for better. -- "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up." Ephesians 4:29 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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