Still to continue... On 1/14/07, jdd wrote:

Mathias Homann wrote:

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I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some

forget it. home computers are mostly used for games and this will never work with Linux (sad but true)

I do not want discussion about if my points about why Linux will not make it are really true or not. You give one more reason why windows will still win.

for nearly any other thing Linux is much better.

And this really doesn't matter.

think: when you buy Windows, you can barely do anything. No msword, no excel. You are already lucky if the mobo drivers are installed.

Usually the drivers are there, and the DVD players and all that. Yes, office is missing, but if you really want to use OO, then that's freely available (with just a few mouse clicks). And MS Office for home doesn't cost much. The point is that there is another need at home where SUSE could answer. But it needs some work in the user friendlines department (where nobody works). :-) What do you think about the home server? Could somebody start that wiki for example? If not even the things needed at YaST to make this all easier? -- HG. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi! On 1/14/07, Mathias Homann wrote:

then put your rants on a blog somewhere where we can ignore them, not on a _discussion list_.

I wanted discussion about what SUSE _could_ do at home. I've given a use case (backed up by MS), but seems that it's not interesting or sexy enough for SUSE. I'm asking for user friendliness and documentation I guess. And I can understand that it's not what you guys want to do. Care to discuss that? -- HG. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 1/14/07, jdd wrote:

HG wrote:

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I wanted discussion about what SUSE _could_ do at home.

good. I didn't understand that :-( . probably my fault.

but let me ask something: what exacly do you want to do at home that you can't with openSUSE?

I know the correct answer here: nothing as long as I have bash and emacs. But in the contect of this discussion, I want to have one place with reliable and large storage for all the stuff (mostly multimedia) that I have. Then I can access if from all of the computers I have; 2 laptops, workstation (currently 2 of them) and PDA (in near future). I do not want to duplicate data to different computersa and always wonder in which computer do we have the photos of last x-mas. I want to stream multimedia to my AV systems (like possible with the MS media centers and multiple hardware clients). I do not think I'm the only one with these needs. -- HG. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun January 14 2007 3:01 pm, HG scratched these words onto a coconut shell, hoping for an answer:

On 1/14/07, jdd wrote:

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HG wrote:

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I wanted discussion about what SUSE _could_ do at home.

good. I didn't understand that :-( . probably my fault.

but let me ask something: what exacly do you want to do at home that you can't with openSUSE?

I know the correct answer here: nothing as long as I have bash and emacs.

But in the contect of this discussion, I want to have one place with reliable and large storage for all the stuff (mostly multimedia) that I have. Then I can access if from all of the computers I have; 2 laptops, workstation (currently 2 of them) and PDA (in near future). I do not want to duplicate data to different computersa and always wonder in which computer do we have the photos of last x-mas. I want to stream multimedia to my AV systems (like possible with the MS media centers and multiple hardware clients).

I do not think I'm the only one with these needs.

If you are looking for a media streamer, you should subscribe to the Linux-magazine ( Linux-magazine.com ) and after you have access search their archives, they made just such a setup last year. It will probably be even easier now. You may also get some Suse specific tips if you at least get the next issue.. it's going to have a version of 10.2 ( DVD) w/ it... This magazine will help you do a lot of the "gee whizardry" you seem to want. Tho you will have to actually read and follow the directions. I don't recommend you start any communication w/ them by saying "x or y cannot be done in linux" tho . BTW if you really want to make your windows stuff "just work" in linux, buy a lic for crossover office, and sign up for their lists. You would then have some influence in the direction of wine.. at least you would if you actually buy a lic.. I suspect the irritation you are sensing is because people have told you that you actually can do some of the stuff you wish, it just won't come pre-configured for you. And before you say MS does it wait til the new version of Windows comes out and see how much is easily done. A.) they say they are working on security.. that means you can't have everything easily accessed fro everywhere.. you need passwords etc. if only because you probably won't get round to configuring the firewall til way after you set up these easy permissions for anyone on your net.. B.) They want to be *The* DRM company. That means they either pay a lot of cash for lic. or they "cripple" things out of the box.. <shrug> Which way do you think they are likely to jump? Suse, and most of the linux distros that I have tried, will try to make you realize it's a bad idea to do X or Y, before the damage happens. In other words, you must configure it to do something that most of us would tell you not to do . ( Note: Not that you can not do it , just don't. It's bad practice.) If you make a choice that is a bad idea, you and your system are just the first to suffer. But you also expose the rest of the folks you connect to. If that happens to be a Windows box, you may have opened it up to an attack. However unwittingly . And one other thing , the "looking down the nose" attitude comes out when several folks tell you it's a bad idea to do whatever you are asking about, but you persist in saying "it can't be done". If you have the boxed set,do us all a favour and break the mold and be a person that reads the manual. Then buy an in depth book on linux generally and there are even large tomes that deal w/ Suse specifically.They are available at Amazon and Barnes and Noble, for starters. You can get a lot of information from a book that is specific to 10.2 , I suspect in the near future. There has been at least one every release since they began to leave the Admin. book out of the box. Oh yeah, it's on the DVD, you can put it onto your computer and read it there.. tough to take to bed and read but hey... it's a damned good starting point. Once you have the basics down, it's a great starting point for you to learn why we keep saying you *can* do what you want, and you don't always need a shell. But you need to know what you are looking for then you can always use "findutils-locate" to find the items you need to adjust. -- j -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday January 14 2007 15:32, Mathias Homann wrote:

Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:08 schrieb HG:

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Still to continue...

On 1/14/07, jdd wrote:

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Mathias Homann wrote:

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I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some

forget it. home computers are mostly used for games and this will never work with Linux (sad but true)

I do not want discussion about if my points about why Linux will not make it are really true or not.

then put your rants on a blog somewhere where we can ignore them, not on a _discussion list_.

Whoa Mathias, Why so rude and aggressive ? It's almost arrogant, I think. Can't you come down from your knowledge throne and try to think about people who just would like to use their computer without much hassle (just like getting into a car and drive it, without first having to tune its engine and other parts). I think HG made a valid point. Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are desparate and lost how to get for instance their DVD working. Yes, for you (and me) it is quite simple because we know what actions we must take in advance to gets things working ( see analogy with the car), but have you forgotten the first time when you (probably) also had to search and inquire before you had things going ? Again, I agree with HG that this phenomenon really prohibits a lot of people from going to Linux. As it is right now it is a great system for people who have a fairly good knowledge of its workings and who like to search around and complete/expand its functionality system by finding the missing pieces of the Linux jigsaw puzzle. But maybe the community wants to keep it like that ????? HAND, -- Jan Elders the Netherlands http://www.xs4all.nl/~jrme/ "Home of the Network Acronyms" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 a community ? sound a bit holy to me, think some and too some who have left the list because it looks like a very closed community ?? Maybe a good idea to listen to what standard questions the newbies come with and remake some wikis ?? so all have a basic system running.(could be sound, mutimedia and ???) you have to study a bit, a car too ? Think those with a driver lisence had someone to show them how to get the elemental things working, not as you claim, you have to study a bit yourselves. well still is convinced that it is time to loosen up a bit what pinguin community concerns, and drop that rightiousness ? well not so easy. some very helpful guys on the list too niels Kevin Donnelly wrote:

On Sunday 14 January 2007 15:15, Jan Elders wrote:

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I think HG made a valid point. Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are desparate and lost how to get for instance their DVD working. Yes, for you (and me) it is quite simple because we know what actions we must take in advance to gets things working ( see analogy with the car), but have you forgotten the first time when you (probably) also had to search and inquire before you had things going ?

I think one of the problems is that many new users come along and expect to be told exactly what to do in their specific situation to solve whatever problem they're having. "If Linux is as good as Windows, it must be able to do this - I haven't done much googling or reading, but I think you should tell me the answer right now." The response may come across as arrogant, but that is because the original request may have been a bit arrogant - how many posts have there been on this list about codecs (which is why the DVD may not be working - see (4) below) over the last 6 months? It might be polite to read some of them before asking again.

New users, please remember:

(1) You spent a lot of time learning about Microsoft Windows (and swearing at it, and reinstalling drivers, and sanitising it, and ...) - you have to expect to invest some time in experimentation, finding out what YaST can do, etc.

(2) Why?, you might say. Because you are interested in Linux for a purpose - namely, to redress some of the perceived problems with Microsoft Windows. Linux is not a "Windows + better security + no-cost software" - it's a lot more than that, and it is also a community. Step outside the proprietary box you are used to - you may find the first steps disconcerting, but freedom opens up better vistas than Vista.

(3) If you think info is too hard to find, do your bit for others coming after you, and write a page on the wiki to document dealing with specific problems (of course, if people don't read it - cf (1) above - you may be giving "arrogant" answers yourself in a few months ...).

(4) If you are annoyed with multimedia problems, don't complain here, and don't slag off the distro and/or Linux, baecause that is not where the problem lies. Instead, write to the manufacturers of every piece of media equipment you bought or own, and ask them to provide the option to use open formats. Write to your legislators asking them to outlaw consumer lock-in via closed formats. This will take too much of your valuable time, you say? Not as much time as people have put in trying to create open formats and work around closed ones, with users still complaining because the world is as it is, and not how they want it to be.

(5) The first responsibility for free software users is to accept responsibility - if proprietary formats are stopping you doing what you want, stop using them, make a big fuss about it, try to persuade others not to use them, buy only equipment that allows open formats as well (even if it costs another $10, and you have to wait a week for it to be delivered), etc. Big companies like to peddle the myth that the computer user is a consumer, and go on to make an artificial distinction between the users/consumers and themselves, the "producers" or "content providers". Proprietary formats are a prime tool in this - if you see no problem with them, you will probably have difficulty ever adjusting to a non-proprietary world.

On Sunday 14 January 2007 18:22, Stevens wrote:

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And therein lies the problem: the "look down your nose" attitude of most Linux nerds about the development of user-friendly tools and GUIs. There are vast numbers of computer owners out there who use M$ because it works for them without requiring much in the way of computer skills and until such time that a Linux distro comes along that offers the same ease of use, Linux will stay in the background.

My dear man/boy/girl/woman - there are millions of people using Linux "because it works for them". Do you think they are all having delusional fantasies? No-one is suggesting that you must pass the Eight Levels of Geekiness to be allowed to lay your hands on the One True OS - that is your interpretation of the need to experiment a bit rather than pressing "OK" (see (1) above).

The reason why you may need to experiment a bit (choose a different app, a different configuration, etc) is because Linux allows you to do a huge number of things that you are not allowed to do in proprietary systems, or which would be very expensive there. It's a bit like being in a car rather than on a train - you can see all that nice countryside from a train, but you can't go there ....

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EXTREMELY well stated, Kevin... On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 21:49 +0000, Kevin Donnelly wrote:

On Sunday 14 January 2007 15:15, Jan Elders wrote:XTRE

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I think HG made a valid point. Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are desparate and lost how to get for instance their DVD working. Yes, for you (and me) it is quite simple because we know what actions we must take in advance to gets things working ( see analogy with the car), but have you forgotten the first time when you (probably) also had to search and inquire before you had things going ?

I think one of the problems is that many new users come along and expect to be told exactly what to do in their specific situation to solve whatever problem they're having. "If Linux is as good as Windows, it must be able to do this - I haven't done much googling or reading, but I think you should tell me the answer right now." The response may come across as arrogant, but that is because the original request may have been a bit arrogant - how many posts have there been on this list about codecs (which is why the DVD may not be working - see (4) below) over the last 6 months? It might be polite to read some of them before asking again.

New users, please remember:

(1) You spent a lot of time learning about Microsoft Windows (and swearing at it, and reinstalling drivers, and sanitising it, and ...) - you have to expect to invest some time in experimentation, finding out what YaST can do, etc.

(2) Why?, you might say. Because you are interested in Linux for a purpose - namely, to redress some of the perceived problems with Microsoft Windows. Linux is not a "Windows + better security + no-cost software" - it's a lot more than that, and it is also a community. Step outside the proprietary box you are used to - you may find the first steps disconcerting, but freedom opens up better vistas than Vista.

(3) If you think info is too hard to find, do your bit for others coming after you, and write a page on the wiki to document dealing with specific problems (of course, if people don't read it - cf (1) above - you may be giving "arrogant" answers yourself in a few months ...).

(4) If you are annoyed with multimedia problems, don't complain here, and don't slag off the distro and/or Linux, baecause that is not where the problem lies. Instead, write to the manufacturers of every piece of media equipment you bought or own, and ask them to provide the option to use open formats. Write to your legislators asking them to outlaw consumer lock-in via closed formats. This will take too much of your valuable time, you say? Not as much time as people have put in trying to create open formats and work around closed ones, with users still complaining because the world is as it is, and not how they want it to be.

(5) The first responsibility for free software users is to accept responsibility - if proprietary formats are stopping you doing what you want, stop using them, make a big fuss about it, try to persuade others not to use them, buy only equipment that allows open formats as well (even if it costs another $10, and you have to wait a week for it to be delivered), etc. Big companies like to peddle the myth that the computer user is a consumer, and go on to make an artificial distinction between the users/consumers and themselves, the "producers" or "content providers". Proprietary formats are a prime tool in this - if you see no problem with them, you will probably have difficulty ever adjusting to a non-proprietary world.

On Sunday 14 January 2007 18:22, Stevens wrote:

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And therein lies the problem: the "look down your nose" attitude of most Linux nerds about the development of user-friendly tools and GUIs. There are vast numbers of computer owners out there who use M$ because it works for them without requiring much in the way of computer skills and until such time that a Linux distro comes along that offers the same ease of use, Linux will stay in the background.

My dear man/boy/girl/woman - there are millions of people using Linux "because it works for them". Do you think they are all having delusional fantasies? No-one is suggesting that you must pass the Eight Levels of Geekiness to be allowed to lay your hands on the One True OS - that is your interpretation of the need to experiment a bit rather than pressing "OK" (see (1) above).

The reason why you may need to experiment a bit (choose a different app, a different configuration, etc) is because Linux allows you to do a huge number of things that you are not allowed to do in proprietary systems, or which would be very expensive there. It's a bit like being in a car rather than on a train - you can see all that nice countryside from a train, but you can't go there ....

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On Sunday 14 January 2007 16:15, Jan Elders wrote:

I think HG made a valid point. Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are desparate and lost how to get for instance their DVD working.

His point was that XP could do this. It can not do it without extra software. It will not play a DVD right out of the box. Build a computer, and purchase XP for it. Then try to play a DVD. Especially one that has protection. Won't work. You need a player. Plain and simple. The difference is, that with XP, you can run down to your local store and buy the player. linux doesn't have that. Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 11:01pm up 12 days 6:01, 4 users, load average: 2.09, 2.08, 2.08 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike wrote:

On Sunday 14 January 2007 16:15, Jan Elders wrote:

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I think HG made a valid point. Look at the various threads in this list from newbies who are desparate and lost how to get for instance their DVD working.

His point was that XP could do this.

you forget the main point. I beg your XP was built in the computer when you buy it. Mine wasn't. I had to install XP on a previously Linux PC. and XP didn't see the DVD drive. In fact it was seeing the drive at install time, then forgot it afterward. I had hard time understanding than this drive was (for historical reasons) connected as /dev/hda (first drive), that is before the XP HD and XP didn't liked it. Linux didn't bother... So buy a pre-installed Linux box and voilà... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Votez pour nous, merci - vote for us, thanks :-) http://musique.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/Magic-Alliance/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 18:33 schrieb Joachim Schrod:

HG wrote:

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I do not want discussion about if my points about why Linux will not make it are really true or not.

So why do you make them? Especially since you gave no reasons and just stated your opinion; then switching from the usage of SUSE at home to the usage of SUSE on a server.

You knew in advance that people would react on these points, don't you? If not, you're a fool. If yes, you're a troll.

what he said. *raises his tankard in salutation* cheers dude. just my 2 cent: I can't stand those rants anymore. the "linux is not ready for the desktop" rants as well as the opposite "linux is the best invention since sliced bread" rants. ALL software sucks. some sucks more, some less. OK, admittedly, linux in general sucks less than others that come to mind, but its all a question of what you use your computer for. In my case, I can do everything I use my computers at home for in linux, especially after the oh-so-difficult task of typing "zypper sa <url> <description>" into a root shell a few times with a choice of urls like packman, kde buildtree, suser-guru and two or three folders on my own local fileserver, followed by a "zypper -r up". And yes, I DO play games. on linux. lemmy@gildor:/usr/local/games> du -sch * 1,7M Loki_Uninstall 4,4M Loki_Update 0 lost+found 5,8G nwn 831M quake3 1,1G ut 8,6G ut2004 1,2G wine_c_drive 18G insgesamt lemmy@gildor:/usr/local/games> and I DO watch videos on linux. (since i got me a divx-capable philips dvd player, not as often as in the past...). There are TWO things right now that I still use windows for: - mastering video dvds in the rare case that I want more than one movie on one disc, and need a menu for that, or when I have source material with subtitles and want to make anamorphous discs with subs fit for 16:9 AND 4:3 letterbox - playing ragnarök online (since it just doesnt work under wine). everything else I can do under linux, and in 99% of the cases I can do it better and/or easier and/or with more powerful features than under windows (or mac os, for that matter). Just compare, for example, k3b with nero express as delivered with most dvd burners. Compare amarok with windows media player. Compare, if you feel like it, OpenOffice with notepad and/or wordpad. Am I religious about it? Dunno. maybe, maybe not. I use whatever fits my needs best. bye, MH -- Die unaufgeforderte Zusendung einer Werbemail an Privatleute verstößt gegen §1 UWG und 823 I BGB (Beschluß des LG Berlin vom 2.8.1998 Az: 16 O 201/98). Jede kommerzielle Nutzung der übermittelten persönlichen Daten sowie deren Weitergabe an Dritte ist ausdrücklich untersagt! gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi! On 1/14/07, Joachim Schrod wrote:

HG wrote:

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I do not want discussion about if my points about why Linux will not make it are really true or not.

So why do you make them? Especially since you gave no reasons and just stated your opinion; then switching from the usage of SUSE at home to the usage of SUSE on a server.

You knew in advance that people would react on these points, don't you? If not, you're a fool. If yes, you're a troll.

Thanks, yes I'm a fool. I genuinely thought that if I'm going to try to tell where I think SUSE has lots of potential, I should at least base that on something. I just could not jump in there. I mean, there is no questions that SUSE has possibilities for the business users. It has. But for home, I do not think so. And therefore I thought that I have to re-state the obvious. I actually thought everybody knew all that.

*PLONK*

I'm still probably just a fool, but ... what does that mean? -- HG. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hi! On 1/14/07, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* HG [01-14-07 14:46]:

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*PLONK*

I'm still probably just a fool, but ... what does that mean?

google is your *only* friend: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=plonk

Sigh, yes I've already learned that there are no friends on SUSE list. I've noted this many times - and not just towards me, but against many others also. What I have not yet learned is what one can say or ask here without getting this kind of response. Yet, there are some nice people here too. Some have emailed me privately about this subject also. So, I think I'm not going away just yet because of these - feel free to plonk me as you like. -- HG. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ysgrifennodd Darryl Gregorash:

You can ask anything you want, and just ignore all the "RTFM" responses you get. Most of the rest of us will help as much as we can.

I'll second that. I have on more than one occasion asked questions that, looking back, deserved little more than an RTFM response; but there have always been people sympathetic enough and patient enough to help me along. Even when I hardly deserved it. Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 14 January 2007 09:45, HG wrote:

Hi!

On 1/14/07, Joachim Schrod wrote:

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HG wrote:

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I do not want discussion about if my points about why Linux will not make it are really true or not.

So why do you make them? Especially since you gave no reasons and just stated your opinion; then switching from the usage of SUSE at home to the usage of SUSE on a server.

You knew in advance that people would react on these points, don't you? If not, you're a fool. If yes, you're a troll.

Thanks, yes I'm a fool.

I genuinely thought that if I'm going to try to tell where I think SUSE has lots of potential, I should at least base that on something. I just could not jump in there. I mean, there is no questions that SUSE has possibilities for the business users. It has. But for home, I do not think so. And therefore I thought that I have to re-state the obvious. I actually thought everybody knew all that.

...

*PLONK*

I'm still probably just a fool, but ... what does that mean?

-- HG.

In my opinion your not a troll or a fool.You make some excellent points about usability. Jerome -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mathias Homann wrote:

and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my next harddisk?

anyway, Vista won't be able to run on any of the 5 computers I have on my home today, and I won't buy a new one for that... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net Votez pour nous, merci - vote for us, thanks :-) http://musique.sfrjeunestalents.fr/artiste/Magic-Alliance/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mathias Homann wrote:

Well,

I do have a box with a "vista compatible" sticker on it, but i guess I wont let vista get close to that box.

Many years ago, a friend of mine peeled a "Ready for Windows 95" sticker off a monitor and stuck it on the toilet. Perhaps you could do the same with that sticker. ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Mathias Homann wrote:

I thought along those lines already, but it's a laptop, and i rather rest my palm on some stupid sticker than on some place where the palmrest is sticky because of the stupid sticker that i peeled off there ;)

In the States we have this wonderful product called GooGone .. I don't know if they sell it there, but if so then grab some. After you peel the sticker off .. just use some of that on tissue and no more sticky spot. :D - Ben -- "We should forgive our enemies. But not before they are hanged." Heinrich Heine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Jan 14, 2007, at 6:21 PM, James Knott wrote:

Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:

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On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Mathias Homann wrote:

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I thought along those lines already, but it's a laptop, and i rather rest my palm on some stupid sticker than on some place where the palmrest is sticky because of the stupid sticker that i peeled off there ;)

In the States we have this wonderful product called GooGone .. I don't know if they sell it there, but if so then grab some. After you peel the sticker off .. just use some of that on tissue and no more sticky spot. :D

I find that ordinary lighter fluid works well for most label glues.

True. It does. But it can also eat through the plastic if one isn't careful. :) -- "We should forgive our enemies. But not before they are hanged." Heinrich Heine -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 14 January 2007 7:37 pm, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:

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I find that ordinary lighter fluid works well for most label glues. True. It does. But it can also eat through the plastic if one isn't   careful. :)

WD-40 is great for removing adhesive, and it will not eat through the plastic. http://www.wd40.com/Brands/wd40.cfm Bryan **************************************** Powered by Mepis Linux 6.0 KDE 3.5.3 KMail 1.9.3 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net **************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:

On Jan 14, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Mathias Homann wrote:

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I thought along those lines already, but it's a laptop, and i rather rest my palm on some stupid sticker than on some place where the palmrest is sticky because of the stupid sticker that i peeled off there ;)

In the States we have this wonderful product called GooGone .. I don't know if they sell it there, but if so then grab some. After you peel the sticker off .. just use some of that on tissue and no more sticky spot. :D

So where can I get a SUSE sticker to replace or just cover the M$ one? -ds -- Dennis E. Slice Department of Anthropology University of Vienna ======================================================== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 16:01 +0100, Mathias Homann wrote:

Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 15:44 schrieb jdd:

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Mathias Homann wrote:

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and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my next harddisk?

anyway, Vista won't be able to run on any of the 5 computers I have on my home today, and I won't buy a new one for that...

Well,

I do have a box with a "vista compatible" sticker on it, but i guess I wont let vista get close to that box.

I wonder if they have something that you can run to see if you are Vista ready in hardware terms. I'm just wondering what other hardware I need to lose/reconfigure for Windows. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2007-01-14 at 15:44 +0100, jdd wrote:

Mathias Homann wrote:

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and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my next harddisk?

anyway, Vista won't be able to run on any of the 5 computers I have on my home today, and I won't buy a new one for that...

Ill stick to XP for now and if Bill remains stupid Ill never get another. Its on its own drive and rarely used so It can do little harm. I keep my other drives SuSE or SuSE with PCDOS. -- ___ _ _ _ ____ _ _ _ | | | | [__ | | | |___ |_|_| ___] | \/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Sonntag, 14. Januar 2007 22:17 schrieb Darryl Gregorash:

On 2007-01-14 08:28, Mathias Homann wrote:

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then why do i have an extra 30gig partition on my main gaming box which is mounted to /usr/local/games?

and why am i so sure that that partition has to be bigger on my next harddisk?

Because you have too much spare time on your hands? :-)

nwvault, more likely. honestly, neverwinter nights with all those custom modules out there is a real disk eater. bye, MH -- Die unaufgeforderte Zusendung einer Werbemail an Privatleute verstößt gegen §1 UWG und 823 I BGB (Beschluß des LG Berlin vom 2.8.1998 Az: 16 O 201/98). Jede kommerzielle Nutzung der übermittelten persönlichen Daten sowie deren Weitergabe an Dritte ist ausdrücklich untersagt! gpg key fingerprint: 5F64 4C92 9B77 DE37 D184 C5F9 B013 44E7 27BD 763C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd wrote:

Mathias Homann wrote:

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I've been wanting to replace windows at home with SUSE for some

forget it. home computers are mostly used for games and this will never work with Linux (sad but true)

LOL, it's sad that you have such a strange idea. Let's get this right: Linux is a great platform for games, the only thing needed is *more games*. As it is, some of the popular windoze only games (counter strike, half life 2, etc) can be played under wine, but I have made a point of buying only those games that are available in a native linux version, and there are some good ones: quake3, quake4, doom3, ut2004, RtCW, enemy territory, and more. Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org