What does this group think of the Tyan or Asus MOBOs?
Wizards... Esp. you guys that are into hot hardware and ¨roll yer own¨ computers.. Please comment on this matter. I , no doubt, am labouring under some misconceptions.. But having decided that my own baby needs an upgrade.. ( the Hard drives are ok.. and the power supply, oh yean the case...( thermaltake X) Tho I haven´t put the fishtank mod in yet.. I suspect this case will be around for a very long time. I am most interested in Athlon 64bit processors rather than Intel, tho.. I am open to suggestions . Would like to find a MOBO that could or would have up to 4 spots for processors, but which wont bother anything if there is only one, or two.. to start .. For Athlon 64s, multi proc...( i.e. 2or more of Athlon 64 or Opteron , Which looks as if it is intended as a ¨celeron¨ lower price points etc..??? ) And just for fun, is anyone using Suse ( any level I guess but 9.3 certainly ) on any of the dual processors in one chip??? Would it be better to use two of those rather than 4 opterons, for instance. I need the processing power, but don´t see too many MOBOs that would be *desktop* ready. They seem not to have builtins i.e.onboard firewire, USB, sound chip,ethernet, and so on... they also seem to have only two or three slots for things like ethernet or sound, or video etc. That is understandable if they expect folks to just build a server around that system... but ye olde reality requires that the Mobo have builtins for a lot of that stuff, or enough pci slots to take care of those items... As to the two named boards, Asus /Tyan I don´t see any adverts ffor any others, so you most certainly enlighten me there . :-) TIA -- j
On Thursday 12 May 2005 12:42, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
I am most interested in Athlon 64bit processors rather than Intel, tho.. I am open to suggestions .
Would like to find a MOBO that could or would have up to 4 spots for processors, but which wont bother anything if there is only one, or two.. to start ..
How about a Tyan Tiger K8W? (With 2x dual-core opteron 2XX = 4 processors) http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tigerk8w.html This is a workstation board, not a minimalist server one. FWIW, I have a Tyan Tiger MP, which is a dual Athlon workstation mainboard, and it's worked well for me for several years. I had some problems with data loss with an IDE card when the PCI bus was saturating (RAID0 can generate quite high transfer rates), which were possibly due to bugs in the AMD 760MP chipset (which was superceded by the 760MPX). Apart from that it's been fine.
For Athlon 64s, multi proc...( i.e. 2or more of Athlon 64 or Opteron , Which looks as if it is intended as a ¨celeron¨ lower price points etc..??? )
Didn't manage to parse that statement, but anyway: opteron is what you want, for multiprocessing and highest performance.
And just for fun, is anyone using Suse ( any level I guess but 9.3 certainly ) on any of the dual processors in one chip??? Would it be better to use two of those rather than 4 opterons, for instance. I need the processing power, but don´t see too many MOBOs that would be *desktop* ready.
Dual-core CPUs should work fine with SuSE. 4 CPU workstations are fairly high end beasts! But 2 CPU ones are much more common ...so get a 2 CPU mainboard and put 2 dual-core CPUs in it. -- Bill
jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote: ... Tyan I've bought before and would buy again. Asus I've bought before and would not buy again: http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html -- "Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
On Thursday 12 May 2005 08:29 am, Felix Miata wrote:
Tyan I've bought before and would buy again. Asus I've bought before and would not buy again: http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html --
My sentiments exactly. Will never buy another ASUS board.
On Thu, 12 May 2005 14:19:11 -0400, you wrote:
On Thursday 12 May 2005 08:29 am, Felix Miata wrote:
Tyan I've bought before and would buy again. Asus I've bought before and would not buy again: http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html --
My sentiments exactly. Will never buy another ASUS board.
I've got a dozen P4P800's here and have been consistantly happy. Mind, you do need to make sure you get the right model - the VM's suck, but the SE's are fine. Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
Thu, 12 May 2005, by mrmazda@ij.net:
jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote: ... Tyan I've bought before and would buy again. Asus I've bought before and would not buy again:
The company I work for bought 4 Tyan dual Xeon server boards a couple of years ago, 3 of which failed within a week (one was DOA). So I'm not exactly enthousiastic about that brand. We've had failures in Asus boards too, but percentage wise much less, and considering the usage of the PCs the fall-out is acceptable for "consumer" type of boards. Theo -- Theo v. Werkhoven Registered Linux user# 99872 http://counter.li.org ICBM 52 13 26N , 4 29 47E. + ICQ: 277217131 SUSE 9.2 + Jabber: muadib@jabber.xs4all.nl Kernel 2.6.8 + See headers for PGP/GPG info. Claimer: any email I receive will become my property. Disclaimers do not apply.
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Thu, 12 May 2005, by mrmazda@ij.net:
jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote: ... Tyan I've bought before and would buy again. Asus I've bought before and would not buy again: http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html
The company I work for bought 4 Tyan dual Xeon server boards a couple of years ago, 3 of which failed within a week (one was DOA). So I'm not exactly enthousiastic about that brand. We've had failures in Asus boards too, but percentage wise much less, and considering the usage of the PCs the fall-out is acceptable for "consumer" type of boards.
The issue with either manufacturer has nothing to do with the risk of having some problem that requires support from the manufacturer. The issue is about getting required support when needed. Read the link. You can expect nothing from Asus if they know you are not running M$. If that is an acceptable risk to you, then by all means don't hesitate to support those who refuse to support the use of Linux. As for me, there are plenty other fish in the sea with better attitudes. -- "Through Him all things were made; without Him nothing was made that has been made." John 1:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote: ... Tyan I've bought before and would buy again. Asus I've bought before and would not buy again: http://www.mozillaquest.com/Linux04/Asus_Sucks_Story-01.html -- I have used asus boards for years with no problems. I have one asus 64 athlon at work as our mine server that works good, except the onboard gig nic. I just dropped in an intel 1 gig nic an it rocks. will give you model #tomorrow when i get back into the office. I have another one on order waiting to be my server at home from asus that seems to work ok with the
At 07:29 AM 5/12/2005, Felix Miata wrote: live dvd of 9.;3 when i tried it out on my windows workstation at work its the ASU MB K8N-E DeluX nForce3 GBLAN . I have also one of the tyan tiger dual amd athlon mp running 9.3 at work an it works pretty good. its my test bed machine before i take stuff to the production server. do not know the model of it but its been running suse linux for few years with no problems. so i would recommend either of them. jack
I have an ASUS mobo, about a year and a half old, 2.4 GHz P4. It worked well with Linux 9.1 for about 5 months, and then Linux crashed. I waited for 9.2. Linux 9.2 crashed and burned about a week after I installed it. I have no idea whether it was mobo related or not. I will say that I have absolutely no trouble with XP on the same machine. (I know you folks find it hard to believe, but it's quite true!) I run my hard disks and scanner on SCSI, CD-R and DVD on the mobo controller. FWIW, I think I may reinstall 9.1. I don't like what I'm reading here about 9.3. --doug At 07:42 AM 5/12/2005 -0400, jfweber@bellsouth.net wrote:
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Wizards... Esp. you guys that are into hot hardware and ¨roll yer own¨ computers..
Please comment on this matter. I , no doubt, am labouring under some misconceptions..
But having decided that my own baby needs an upgrade.. ( the Hard drives are ok.. and the power supply, oh yean the case...( thermaltake X) Tho I haven´t put the fishtank mod in yet.. I suspect this case will be around for a very long time.
I am most interested in Athlon 64bit processors rather than Intel, tho.. I am open to suggestions . Would like to find a MOBO that could or would have up to 4 spots for processors, but which wont bother anything if there is only one, or two.. to start ..
For Athlon 64s, multi proc...( i.e. 2or more of Athlon 64 or Opteron , Which looks as if it is intended as a ¨celeron¨ lower price points etc..??? )
And just for fun, is anyone using Suse ( any level I guess but 9.3 certainly ) on any of the dual processors in one chip??? Would it be better to use two of those rather than 4 opterons, for instance. I need the processing power, but don´t see too many MOBOs that would be *desktop* ready.
They seem not to have builtins i.e.onboard firewire, USB, sound chip,ethernet, and so on... they also seem to have only two or three slots for things like ethernet or sound, or video etc. That is understandable if they expect folks to just build a server around that system... but ye olde reality requires that the Mobo have builtins for a lot of that stuff, or enough pci slots to take care of those items...
As to the two named boards, Asus /Tyan I don´t see any adverts ffor any others, so you most certainly enlighten me there . :-) TIA -- j
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On Thursday 12 May 2005 02:11 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have an ASUS mobo, about a year and a half old, 2.4 GHz P4. It worked well with Linux 9.1 for about 5 months, and then Linux crashed. I waited for 9.2. Linux 9.2 crashed and burned about a week after I installed it. I have no idea whether it was mobo related or not. I will say that I have absolutely no trouble with XP on the same machine. (I know you folks find it hard to believe, but it's quite true!) I run my hard disks and scanner on SCSI, CD-R and DVD on the mobo controller. FWIW, I think I may reinstall 9.1. I don't like what I'm reading here about 9.3. --doug ==========
Doug, If you'll do a search of the mail archives, as well as the original poster, you'll find some mails concerning ASUS motherboards and the fact that they are very anti-Linux! Your situation is not surprising at all on an ASUS, try something better, if you can. regards, Lee -- --- KMail v1.8 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.2 --- Registered Linux User #225206 "He's not my brother, he's just heavy." ........Bucky Katt
On Thursday 12 May 2005 02:11 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have an ASUS mobo, about a year and a half old, 2.4 GHz P4. It worked well with Linux 9.1 for about 5 months, and then Linux crashed. I waited for 9.2. Linux 9.2 crashed and burned about a week after I installed it. I have no idea whether it was mobo related or not. I will say that I have absolutely no trouble with XP on the same machine. (I know you folks find it hard to believe, but it's quite true!) I run my hard disks and scanner on SCSI, CD-R and DVD on the mobo controller. FWIW, I think I may reinstall 9.1. I don't like what I'm reading here about 9.3. --doug
Hi,
I've an ASUS dual P3 and dual SCSI MOBO : CUV4XDLS. I run every release of SuSE from 7.1 to 9.3 on it without any problem. As far as 9.3 is concerned, it is the best release I ever used. Don't forget that on this group you don't read the people which are satisfied. Michel
BandiPat wrote:
On Thursday 12 May 2005 02:11 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have an ASUS mobo, about a year and a half old, 2.4 GHz P4. It worked well with Linux 9.1 for about 5 months, and then Linux crashed. I waited for 9.2. Linux 9.2 crashed and burned about a week after I installed it. I have no idea whether it was mobo related or not. I will say that I have absolutely no trouble with XP on the same machine. (I know you folks find it hard to believe, but it's quite true!) I run my hard disks and scanner on SCSI, CD-R and DVD on the mobo controller. FWIW, I think I may reinstall 9.1. I don't like what I'm reading here about 9.3. --doug
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Doug, If you'll do a search of the mail archives, as well as the original poster, you'll find some mails concerning ASUS motherboards and the fact that they are very anti-Linux! Your situation is not surprising at all on an ASUS, try something better, if you can.
regards, Lee
I have 2 Asus A7N8x-E motherbords in use, I suffered 3 bad ones, one that corrupted my hard drive. I went to Asus simply because they offered more extras on the board than anything else I saw. Recently I bought 2 sticks of Kingston 512M DDR (Recommended) which would not run on this board, it wouldn't boot, but ran fine on an Asrock board. I had to install a modified BIOS, alter the memory timings and voltage, stable over the last 6 days or so. My next purchase definitely won't be Asus. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Keen licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM Mainframes and Sun Servers Tech Support Specialist Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux for all Computing Tasks
Doug, If you'll do a search of the mail archives, as well as the original poster, you'll find some mails concerning ASUS motherboards and the fact that they are very anti-Linux! Your situation is not surprising at all on an ASUS, try something better, if you can.
regards, Lee
Lee, I didn't see your original reply--maybe it will be forthcoming. When I bought the ASUS mobo, it was in response to several messages on this forum that recommended it. Things may have changed since then, but that's why I went that way. I really am not considering changing the mobo now. (Modern mobo's are not friendly to parallel printers, ferinstance. Also, it's a hell of a hassle!) --doug -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.9 - Release Date: 5/12/2005
On Thursday 12 May 2005 2:11 pm, Doug McGarrett wrote:
I have an ASUS mobo, about a year and a half old, 2.4 GHz P4. It worked well with Linux 9.1 for about 5 months, and then Linux crashed. I waited for 9.2. Linux 9.2 crashed and burned about a week after I installed it. I have no idea whether it was mobo related or not. I will say that I have absolutely no trouble with XP on the same machine. (I know you folks find it hard to believe, but it's quite true!) I run my hard disks and scanner on SCSI, CD-R and DVD on the mobo controller. FWIW, I think I may reinstall 9.1. I don't like what I'm reading here about 9.3.
Take what you read with a grain of salt. Fred -- The only bug free software from MickySoft is still shrink-wrapped in their warehouse..."
On Thu, 12 May 2005 14:11:46 -0400, you wrote: [snip]
scanner on SCSI, CD-R and DVD on the mobo controller. FWIW, I think I may reinstall 9.1. I don't like what I'm reading here about 9.3.
You should give 9.3 a shot. I've had 2 minor glitches on 4 systems, both fixed the same day I hit them. OTOH, several major annoyances (complete sound failure in 9.2 for example) are gone... And 9.3 is seriously FAST. On the basis of the performance boost I went ahead and rebuilt my production firewall/mail server/web server on 9.3. I'm pretty happy about the whole thing. I've seen a few folks whining, but damned if I can reproduce any of their problems. Multimedia works fine, VMware 5.0 WS works fine, Wine works fine. Network printing is working fine (samba and cups both). Mike- -- Mornings: Evolution in action. Only the grumpy will survive. -- Please note - Due to the intense volume of spam, we have installed site-wide spam filters at catherders.com. If email from you bounces, try non-HTML, non-encoded, non-attachments.
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