Greetings! Ok, I'm clueless. When someone forwards me attachments, GIF, JPG, MPEG whatever, I get them as an attachment but they are basically garbage. I get an attachment icon showing a big green question mark saying Attachment: 1 When they are also sent to my other mail account using M$ Outlook they come out ok. If I then save them to a file, create a new message and re-send them to my KDE Kmail account they come out ok. I'm puzzled as to why this is happening and what I need to do to have the Attachment: 1 stuff in a format I can use. Any ideas? Thanks! Eric
On Wednesday 07 August 2002 20:00, eric wrote:
When someone forwards me attachments, GIF, JPG, MPEG whatever, I get them as an attachment but they are basically garbage. I get an attachment icon showing a big green question mark saying Attachment: 1
When they are also sent to my other mail account using M$ Outlook they come out ok. If I then save them to a file, create a new message and re-send them to my KDE Kmail account they come out ok.
Eric forwarded me an example off-list. The attachments are ms-tnef (Microsoft Transport Neutral Encapsulation Format), and kmail can't handle it. I found a program called Fentun that claims to be able to handle it, but I've never tried it. My best suggestion is that you ask people that mail you to use real email, and not allow Microsoft to monopolize email. If you still absolutely must be able to read it, look at http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_3458.html regards Anders
Anders, Ok, I agree and thank you for your help in this. My question is: What do you mean by 'real email'? If 80% of the world is using M$ what's real? I can't tell the sender to use real email if I can't also explain to the sender how to do it. I'm caught in a Catch-22 and I'd love to be able to explain to the sender how to do this. Ideas? Eric On Wednesday 07 August 2002 21:36, Anders Johansson wrote:
On Wednesday 07 August 2002 20:00, eric wrote:
When someone forwards me attachments, GIF, JPG, MPEG whatever, I get them as an attachment but they are basically garbage. I get an attachment icon showing a big green question mark saying Attachment: 1
When they are also sent to my other mail account using M$ Outlook they come out ok. If I then save them to a file, create a new message and re-send them to my KDE Kmail account they come out ok.
Eric forwarded me an example off-list. The attachments are ms-tnef (Microsoft Transport Neutral Encapsulation Format), and kmail can't handle it. I found a program called Fentun that claims to be able to handle it, but I've never tried it.
My best suggestion is that you ask people that mail you to use real email, and not allow Microsoft to monopolize email. If you still absolutely must be able to read it, look at
http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_3458.html
regards Anders
On Wednesday 07 August 2002 21:55, eric wrote:
Anders,
Ok, I agree and thank you for your help in this.
My question is: What do you mean by 'real email'? If 80% of the world is using M$ what's real?
That which is defined by the standards. Everything connected to the internet is defined in documents known as RFCs (Request For Comments). No one company should be allowed to dictate what gets used on the net, because if that happens it's only a very short step to being forced to pay money for things like sending mail, which has been standardized and free for half a century (the first email app was written for the DARPAnet in the 50s) I don't have the formal definition of email at hand, but one part of it is that it should be in cleartext (ASCII I think, maybe there's an ANSI Unicode standard too) but you shouldn't need a program or protocol from one specific company to read it.
I can't tell the sender to use real email if I can't also explain to the sender how to do it. I'm caught in a Catch-22 and I'd love to be able to explain to the sender how to do this.
I'm afraid I know exactly nothing about Outlook. Others will have to help you there. There are outlook users on this list so I'm sure there's a way to do it. //Anders
Hello,
To send what M$ calls a plain-text message in Outlook is fairly simple.
Tell your friends that to send you an email, they should click on "Format"
and then "Plain Text" in the new email window before sending. This should
remove most if not all M$ formatting and such. I understand your position,
I tend to view M$ as a nessacarry evil in many situations. Hope this helps.
Preston
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From: "Anders Johansson"
I can't tell the sender to use real email if I can't also explain to the sender how to do it. I'm caught in a Catch-22 and I'd love to be able to explain to the sender how to do this.
I'm afraid I know exactly nothing about Outlook. Others will have to help you there. There are outlook users on this list so I'm sure there's a way to do it.
//Anders
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Hi, Telling all the guys to modify an option in their email client should take a long and wasting time. I thing the better choice is to modify your email server. If you have an Exchange server, here is what M$ advice to go around ti this issue : "Those attachments contain Microsoft Exchange's rich text information, encoding attributes of the message such as boldface, underlining, fonts, and colors. Exchange/Internet Mail puts these attributes into an attachment so that they can appear to other Exchange users on the Internet. The problem arises when people not using Exchange receive these attachments: instead of seeing a formatted message, they see a big chunk of UUENCODE data named WINMAIL.DAT, or a section application/ms-tnef if you're using MIME (which is what Communicator uses). These attachments contain only formatting and are not important to the message itself. For communicating with users of other clients, Exchange contains an option to suppress sending rich text information when mailing them. You may want to contact the person who sends these attachments, and ask them to turn these off for messages sent to you. To do this, they need to double-click on your address and uncheck the box labelled "Send to this recipient in Microsoft rich text format." Hope it helps, -- Banthat Sengsavanh - Cegetel Reunion It is exactly because a man cannot do a thing that he is a proper judge of it. -- Oscar Wilde
Eric wrote:
When someone forwards me attachments, GIF, JPG, MPEG whatever, I get them as an attachment but they are basically garbage. I get an attachment icon showing a big green question mark saying Attachment: 1 When they are also sent to my other mail account using M$ Outlook they come out ok. If I then save them to a file, create a new message and re-send them to my KDE Kmail account they come out ok.
I'm puzzled as to why this is happening and what I need to do to have the Attachment: 1 stuff in a format I can use.
If you save the attached file and open it with an editor, you will see a few human readable lines at the beginning, followed by a large number of seemingly arbitrary characters in lines of equal length. Those arbitrary characters are the Mime-encoded form of the original JPG etc. I once succeeded in retrieving the original file by deleting those first few lines with that editor, so that only the coded stuff remains, and then decoding the file with: mmencode -u <filename> -o newfile newfile (or whatever you name it) should be the file you are looking for. I suspect that those first lines preceding the coded lines contain some non-standard stuff, because of which KMail does not recognize it. SH
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