I takes many people some time to realise this, MS is, like Fergus says, evil. Not only for their attacks on our privacy, the Free Software community and there just basically disgusting tactics... But has anyone noticed how many times they've been in court for being racists... According to one of the more recent law-suits, MS only likes white males for key functions. Especially black people are given a hard time by them. I would ask anyone, whatever system they like to use, if these ideas are something they find acceptable. IS this what we want our children to be like? I personally make it a point never to take any of my business, for whatever reason, to a company that promotes racism in any (even small) way. And I hope that, in the future, a majority of people will think this way. Kind regards Guy

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On 21/06/2001, 10:31:06, "Fergus Wilde" wrote regarding Re: [SLE] Microsoft Plays Hardball: SDK EULA Prohibits Open Source: think

some of the MS haters on this list went a bit far and were a bit paranoid.

I hereby issue a full and public apology to those people, and join them in their view that MS are essentially evil.

I particularly like the Brave New World style propagandist content of 'viral software', perhaps the nicest example of FUD we have yet seen.

'Beware, beware, O innocent ones, your children may become infected with free things! What will they do if they are not allowed to pay us megabucks, poor creatures'

Watch out for feeling happy, too - remember, warm human emotions are making no money for our company. Be miserable. Buy our kit.

That they are even attempting to do this is just contemptible.

Best to all, Fergus

----- Original Message ----- From: "John D Lamb" Cc: "SuSE Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [SLE] Microsoft Plays Hardball: SDK EULA Prohibits Open Source

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I'm sure this isn't legally enforceable in most jurisdictions, like many other aspects of M$' EULAs. JDL

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Exactly how will Microsoft explain this as a reasonable EULA?

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I think you misunderstand 9at least from my reading of it). You can give software produced with the SDK away. You can ever give away the source code, as long as it isn't distributed under the GPL. alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian Klippel" To: "Timothy R.Butler" ; "SuSE Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [SLE] Microsoft Plays Hardball: SDK EULA Prohibits Open Source | hi all, | | uhhh....wow..... i can not believe this is true..... im in a bad dream here ?? | does m$ really try to say "you can use our sdk (sigh!) only to produce | comercialy usable software" ?? | a software development kit ??? tied to only one purpose ??? | does this mean in fact, that, if anyone is making a little tool/app/whatever | can not give it away for free as long as it is made with their sdk ? | | its now clear how is *against* intellectual property....... very clear..... | | greets, | | chris | (now really scared)

hi alan, from what i read the say : " By way of example but not limitation of the foregoing, Recipient shall not distribute the Software, in whole or in part, in conjunction with any Publicly Available Software. " and then later are definig what this publicly available software is. there they say for example "......or (C) be redistributable at no charge." then they linup alot of licenses. lpgl, gpl, sun, netscape (sigh!)...... semms that only valid could be the bsd license, beside the microsoft crap. as i guess that the compiled program relies/uses/has linked in librarys and functions of the msfc, then all these statements simply say you can not produce software and give it away for free while (saving your right on *your* intellectual property) that no other makes money out of it. as this is what the bsd license allow , this license is excluded from the list. if i read this, and a little between the lines, thyre (a) trying to suggest that linux/free software has an virulent (in means of a virus) attitude, and (b) they say "if you make software with our sdk, you only should (could ?) sell it or if you really want to give it out for free, then only if others (and ms, of course) are allowed to make alot of money out of it" btw: but for me this statements from ms in the past are great news for me, because i see an increasing in my jobs, more and more people wnat to have linux boxes/networks installed. and guess, the ones who switched are happy now, while i can definitely see that there is fewer to administer/maintain (if not, than i could not have time for others to set up their stuff, but i have....) greets, chris Am Donnerstag, 21. Juni 2001 21:34 schrieb Alan Lenton:

I think you misunderstand 9at least from my reading of it). You can give software produced with the SDK away. You can ever give away the source code, as long as it isn't distributed under the GPL.

alan

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| hi all, | | uhhh....wow..... i can not believe this is true..... im in a bad dream

here ??

| does m$ really try to say "you can use our sdk (sigh!) only to produce | comercialy usable software" ?? | a software development kit ??? tied to only one purpose ??? | does this mean in fact, that, if anyone is making a little

tool/app/whatever

| can not give it away for free as long as it is made with their sdk ? | | its now clear how is *against* intellectual property....... very

clear.....

| greets, | | chris | (now really scared)

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On Thursday 21 June 2001 21:33, Curtis Rey wrote:

This is one of the more blatant examples of M$ fear.

Well, as James Caan once said, as he turned around to face the interviewer with his eyes crossed, "Here's how I look at it." Microsoft has id'd the competitors in a formal manner, eh? The list of official competitors can now be attached to any and all correspondence re: MS. This, of course, makes it an easier argument for companies to immediately convene their committees to evaluate their in-house IT requirements. A hospital that is locked into MS needs to seriously consider the impact of potential isolation from vendors that might lose access to servicing their needs. Costly considerations are coming up, folks. There's a hefty cost to staying with MS, now, that wasn't there before. Excellent if you're interested in convincing enterprises to make the move to Open Source. Just a thought, Tom

Yes, I think M$' embraces amount to a bug hug from a 2500 lbs polar bear. May look cuddly, but will break your back in under a second. New dictionary definition in the universe of M$: Embrace - to own, control, eliminate, extinquish, subdue, market exclusively; ex: "We embrace technologies such as Kerberos in order to modify it, fold into to our products, and use it as a tool to force consumers to upgrade or purchase our products at a premium". Cheers, Curtis On Thursday 21 June 2001 02:43 pm, jfweber@eternal.net wrote:

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This is one of the more blatant examples of M$ fear

YOu thought the WOrd "Embrace and Extend" As used by M$ in variuos news releases mean they aren't trying to choke the life out of it w/ those "embraces" <G>

j

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hehe, good catch! That one slipped right by me, Opps. but it still applies - and that's even more Freudian. Cheers On Thursday 21 June 2001 05:04 pm, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Friday 22 June 2001 23:14, Curtis Rey wrote:

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Yes, I think M$' embraces amount to a bug hug from a 2500 lbs polar bear.

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Freudian slip? :)