Form your e-mail, it seems that you installed Win98 after installing SuSe.

From my experience, you need to exactly the contrary, i.e installed first Win98 then SuSe which will make the dual boot configuration for you.It will never work the other way, even with WinXP

Darryl Gregorash wrote on 10/02/2005 08.50.29:

John B wrote:

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Heya gang,

I just installed W98 on a second hdd for a few games *only*. The way I did it, was open case, unhook Linux hdd and made second hdd hdd0, installed M$, rehooked everything back to normal. Then I tried to use YaST to setup my LILO so I had the choice of windows also to choose from in the boot screen. Unfortunately, it's not writing all the things it apparently needs to boot the windows hdd. All fstab has is /dev/hdb1 and 'other'. Anyone mind showing me their fstab if they're dual-booting or giving me a hint how to have YaST set it up?

The fstab has absolutely nothing to do wiht LILO or any other boot manager. By the time you get to the fstab, which is used by the "mount" program, the boot manager has long since exited, stage right.

I do believe that Win98, being just M$-DOS 6 with a GUI, does not know about modern things such as booting off something other than the master on the primary IDE -- hda aka. hd0 To make things worse, this being DOS,

there can only be one primary partition on the boot device. (Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this limitation does no longer exist in Win2K or XP, but both still must boot from the primary/master.)

Now we have a bit of a problem, because I believe LILO also cannot boot off anything except the master on the primary IDE -- but at least we can

have more than one primary partition, 4 of them in fact (or 3 plus an extended partition, in case you need more). You can put a primary partition on the first drive and hide it whenever you boot DOS (also you

have to mark the DOS partition "active"), or you can leave things as you

have them and swap the hard drives in the BIOS (using the boot manager, of course).

LILO can do all this for you, but GRUB is much easier to configure and maintain. LILO at times seems to me to be cryptic and unintuitive; GRUB is straightforward and intuitive. It's up to you, but I do suggest you install and use GRUB instead of LILO. Either way, your fstab is irrelevant for now, and probably will need modification only if you want

to access the Win98 stuff from Linux.

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On Thursday 10 February 2005 7:50 am, Darryl Gregorash wrote:

John B wrote:

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Heya gang,

I just installed W98 on a second hdd for a few games *only*. The way I did it, was open case, unhook Linux hdd and made second hdd hdd0, installed M$, rehooked everything back to normal.

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I do believe that Win98, being just M$-DOS 6 with a GUI, does not know about modern things such as booting off something other than the master on the primary IDE -- hda aka. hd0 To make things worse, this being DOS, there can only be one primary partition on the boot device. (Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this limitation does no longer exist in Win2K or XP, but both still must boot from the primary/master.)

Correction coming up. Your version is the simple version of the story. The original PC design provides for up to 4 primary partitions on a hard drive, as you state later. In the DOS world, only 1 primary partition can be active on a single hard drive. A FAT32 drive is type 0x0c, but when hidden it is type 0x1c. Similarly, NTFS is 0x07 and 0x17. To boot a DOS operating system [msdos 1.0 through MSXP] requires that the active primary partition on the first hard drive is booted. BIOSs which boot from other drives do this by presenting the other selected drive as the first drive. To boot different DOS os's on different primary partitions requires that the partition types are changed, to hide all but the required partition. fdisk will do this for DOS, but you need to know what you will boot next, before you shut down [or boot up, do fdisk and reboot]. GRUB and LILO manage the changing of partition types during boot. Booting MS98 from the second hard drive is 'unsupported' but possible with some limitations. The best is to make space for a tiny primary partition, with a boot sector, the hidden files and config.sys and edit whatever sets the windows directory [msdos.sys? so long ago, I have forgotten] to point to the windows directory of the installation on the second hard drive. Alternatively, I believe it may be possible to point GRUB to the boot sector on the second hard drive and boot that, even if the pc bios will not boot it, or if the bios is still set to boot from the first drive. Note that if the installation was done with this drive as C:, the registry may be confused, unless the installation partition is the first FAT partition on first and second drives, in which case it may be accepted as C:, even though it is on the second drive.

Now we have a bit of a problem, because I believe LILO also cannot boot off anything except the master on the primary IDE -- but at least we can have more than one primary partition, 4 of them in fact (or 3 plus an extended partition, in case you need more). You can put a primary partition on the first drive and hide it whenever you boot DOS (also you have to mark the DOS partition "active"), or you can leave things as you have them and swap the hard drives in the BIOS (using the boot manager, of course).

True, LILO and GRUB are subject to exactly the same rules as DOS. As above, LILO and GRUB can be configured to manage hiding and unhiding.

LILO can do all this for you, but GRUB is much easier to configure and maintain. LILO at times seems to me to be cryptic and unintuitive; GRUB is straightforward and intuitive. It's up to you, but I do suggest you install and use GRUB instead of LILO. Either way, your fstab is irrelevant for now, and probably will need modification only if you want to access the Win98 stuff from Linux.

LILO is prone to being broken if any of the files it uses are rewritten, because it only knows the files by hardware address on the disk [every time you change one of the key files, you must run a LILO config utility]. GRUB knows files by name, and can tolerate them being rewritten. Vince

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Bruce Marshall a écrit :

On Thursday 10 February 2005 03:06 pm, Chris wrote:

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-----Original Message----- From: John B [mailto:yonaton@tds.net] Sent: Thursday, 10 February 2005 6:07 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: [SLE] Dual-booting...or trying, heh

Heya gang,

I just installed W98 on a second hdd for a few games *only*. The way I did it, was open case, unhook Linux hdd and made second hdd hdd0, installed M$, rehooked everything back to normal. Then I tried to use YaST to setup my LILO so I had the choice of windows also to choose from in the boot screen. Unfortunately, it's not writing all the things it apparently needs to boot the windows hdd. All fstab has is /dev/hdb1 and 'other'. Anyone mind showing me their fstab if they're dual-booting or giving me a hint how to have YaST set it up?

Thanks,

John

FSTAB has nothing to do with dual booting., FSTAB tells linux how to mount its partitions once *linux* is in the process of booting.

Hi all, Let me tell what I've understood since the question was not clear. I think that John has Linux installed on drive hda (partition hda1), and Windows 98 on drive hdb. He wants that his boot loader has two entries, one for Linux on hda and one for Windows on drive hdb. If it is your problem John, you have to know that the bios is unable to boot a second hard drive ! Nevertheless, you can do that with GRUB, I boot even from the third hard drive ! You need GRUB and not LILO, edit the file : /boot/grub/menu.lst so that it looks like below for the Windows 98 entry : # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Fri Nov 26 09:41:53 2004 color white/blue black/light-gray default 0 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,5)/message title Linux SUSE 9.2 kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 vga=0x314 selinux=0 splash=silent resume=/dev/hda1 desktop elevator=as showopts initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd title Windows 98 map (hd0) (hd1) map (hd1) (hd0) root (hd1,0) chainloader +1 ........ The two map instructions are swapping hd0 and hd1 so that the Bios thinks that it is booting from the first hard disk !! The Linux entry is an example which supposes that you have only one partition, modify it in order to get your own configuration. Did I understand your problem, and is this a solution to it ? As far as I know, there is no solution with Lilo. Good luck. Michel.