Give VMWare a try. They offer a 30 day full-function demo. Although it is quite an investment, and one that I had said I would never do, I did eventually buy a copy so I can teach myself setting up and running Active Directory (because of work). I also got tired of rebooting into Windows, or my kids rebooting into Windows and not returning to Linux. My Linux runs the house web server, IMAP server, and database. VMWare is cheaper than buying a new PC to run Windows products on, and it takes up less desktop space ;^). But, it is quite an investment just to play games. -- Mitch Thompson, San Antonio, Texas <quote who="Riccardo Facchini">

--- Dave Howorth wrote:

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Damon Register wrote:

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Am I indoctrinating my 3 year old son too early? Now when I come home he says "I want SuSE Linux" so he can play music with XMMS. Maybe I should get more games setup too? If Gates can do it by "giving" all that software to schools, why can't I beat him to it at home?

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The only issue I'm having with my kids is about some games they've got... they run on windows only box, and Codeweavers is of no help, so the only option I have for the time being is to keep the box on dual-boot....

I have the same problem with two programs I use, both quite specialized, both running on windows only...

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On Tue April 27 2004 10:21 am, Riccardo Facchini wrote:

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Give VMWare a try. They offer a 30 day full-function demo. Although it is quite an investment, and one that I had said I would never do, I did eventually buy a copy so I can teach myself setting up and running Active Directory (because of work). I also got tired of rebooting into Windows, or my kids rebooting into Windows and not returning to Linux. My Linux runs the house web server, IMAP server, and database. VMWare is cheaper than buying a new PC to run Windows products on, and it takes up less desktop space ;^).

But, it is quite an investment just to play games.

Yes, I thought of (and tested) it, but:

a) That means I have to buy another product.

b) I'm not completely sure that the use of an OEM Windows license is authorized on a VMWare VM. What happens when I have more VM ready to run?

c) VMWare needs more resources, and games are normally resource-hungry.

d) One of the specialized programs I use needs access to the OpenGL card, and the use of VMWare simulates a non-OpenGL card, so the software I use does not run on a vm.

e) I'd hate to yield in front of the M$onster :-)

For playing games, I think that the solution you want is "winex" (or something like that). I've never used it myself, but I understand that it can play a lot of M$ games. -Nick -- <<< The answer is out there, Neo. >>> /`-_ Nicholas R. LeRoy The Condor Project { }/ http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~nleroy http://www.cs.wisc.edu/condor \ / nleroy@cs.wisc.edu The University of Wisconsin |_*_| 608-265-5761 Department of Computer Sciences

yes a most impressive collection. games as well I can play three rounds of Kmahjongg and wonder where the hour went. CWSIV On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 17:32, Michael James wrote:

On Tuesday 27 April 2004 22:23, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Damon Register wrote:

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Am I indoctrinating my 3 year old son too early? Now when I come home he says "I want SuSE Linux" so he can play music with XMMS.

My kids were also very young when they first saw linux. They were so impressed with the screensavers they turned the study into a theatre and sold tickets.

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On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 08:29, Torkild Ulvøy Resheim wrote:

On Tuesday 27 April 2004 15:51, Damon Register wrote:

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Am I indoctrinating my 3 year old son too early? Now when I come home he says "I want SuSE Linux" so he can play music with XMMS. Maybe I should get more games setup too? If Gates can do it by "giving" all that software to schools, why can't I beat him to it at home?

Damon Register :-) Yeah. My 3 1/2 year old son is an avid fan of tuxracer and klettres. I've also placed bookmarks for all his favourite websites on his desktop, with specially designed icons so he'll recognise them. Still trying to make him log on himself though. He knows how to select his user in the kdm logon screen and type in the password, but because of key repeats it usually ends up wrong. Is there any way to turn off this feature in the logon screen?

You could set him up as a password less user and eliminate the password altogether for him. -- Ken Schneider unix user since 1989 linux user since 1994 SuSE user since 1998 (5.2)

--- Torkild Ulv�y_Resheim wrote:

On Tuesday 27 April 2004 15:51, Damon Register wrote:

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Am I indoctrinating my 3 year old son too early? Now when I come home he says "I want SuSE Linux" so he can play music with XMMS. Maybe I should get more games setup too? If Gates can do it by "giving" all that software to schools, why can't I beat him to it at home?

Damon Register :-) Yeah. My 3 1/2 year old son is an avid fan of tuxracer and klettres. I've also placed bookmarks for all his favourite websites on his desktop, with specially designed icons so he'll recognise them. Still trying to make him log on himself though. He knows how to select his user in the kdm logon screen and type in the password, but because of key repeats it usually ends up wrong. Is there any way to turn off this feature in the logon screen?

I'd run on the same problem... my option was (horror of horrors) to set "empty" passwords for my kids for the time being... I'll wait until they grow a little to teach them the need for a password.

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Torkild Ulvøy Resheim wrote:

:-) Yeah. My 3 1/2 year old son is an avid fan of tuxracer and klettres. I've

Tonight I checked out tuxracer and some other games to see if he liked any of them. Tuxracer and several others would not work. I got a dialog box saying that there was no 3D support or it wasn't enabled. I went to sax2 and enabled 3D but I still get the same message. If I remember correctly, this issue has been discussed a lot so now I have to go through the archives to see if I can find any help on the subject. I thought the ATI radeons were supposed to work fairly well with SuSE 9.

screen and type in the password, but because of key repeats it usually ends up wrong. Is there any way to turn off this feature in the logon screen?

I will do the password-less idea suggested by others in this thread Damon Register

On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 08:50, Xaos Katawin wrote:

Man you guys are missing the point here! Stop! Go back before it is too late. I'm warning you. My kids, 14 and 11 had only Linux until they went to school. They never learned Windows. Now I have a steady parade of kids here checking out Linux. I can't get any work done. And they bring me their windows problems. I have a hard enough time keeping up with Linux and to make matters worse, my fourteen year old is starting to scream for root's password.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

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This is fairly closely related, though it deals more with adults. I'd like some opinions on teaching adults with no computer training about Linux. We're talking, uneducated, low-income folks who need new jobs and new lives. I had a discussion with a guy who said outright that he thought it was crazy to try and teach them Linux. If they don't kow anything, what's the harm in teaching them about Linux. I mean KDE, like its MS counterpart, has a desktop, windows, menus, etc. In my personal experience, most of the skills translate rather easily. Any opposing views out there?

I have to agree with you on this one. If they don't know anything it shouldn't matter if they're learning linux or windows. I don't think they'll be doing a lot of troubleshooting or any serious admining type stuff, but for just basic internet/email/word processing usage they won't really care which OS/Desktop they're using. BB

Then get him knoppix and teach him how to do support and data recovery then he can handle the simple problems and you can do the complex. it worked for Moses after he followed his father-in-law's advice. CWSIV On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 05:50, Xaos Katawin wrote:

Man you guys are missing the point here! Stop! Go back before it is too late. I'm warning you. My kids, 14 and 11 had only Linux until they went to school. They never learned Windows. Now I have a steady parade of kids here checking out Linux. I can't get any work done. And they bring me their windows problems. I have a hard enough time keeping up with Linux and to make matters worse, my fourteen year old is starting to scream for root's password.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

* Anders Johansson [04-29-04 20:50]:

On Friday 30 April 2004 03.04, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:

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Then get him knoppix and teach him how to do support and data recovery then he can handle the simple problems and you can do the complex. it worked for Moses after he followed his father-in-law's advice.

Moses ran knoppix? I thought everyone ran Yggdrasil back then

cp/m -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711

On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 11:39:44PM -0400, Don Parris wrote: <snip>

Then along came Jesus and started a whole new distribution.

Please: suse-ot@suse.com /Jon -- Whatever rocks your boat!

Riccardo Facchini wrote:

[BIG SNIP]

trying to return this thread to the original point:

a) is Linux ready for toddler use?

b) is 3 1/2 too young to use linux?

c) is Linux+Wine(ish) good only for games?

or

a) Linux is ready for toddler use, and probably better than Window$.

b) 3 1/2 is a good age to use linux, but probably too young to understand the meaning of OS (this will start a flame war... I'm sure of it)

c) Linux+Wine(ish) seems only good for games, but is not we should head to.

Regarding (c): I would love to migrate to a Linux-Only box, but I'm still stuck to my dual-boot config because I haven't been able to run 3 applications (not games, but tools: like my CAD software, a CNC specific controller for a robot I run and a Airplane Simulator I use to improve my Radio Control flying skills). I know of people that runs Office 2000 with almost no problems, but I need more to be able to cross the Rubicon...

regards,

===== Riccardo G. Facchini

A guy can't crack jokes? How come the Moses comments didn't get quoted? Is mentioning "THE NAME" off topic? maybe some need to get a life. A little humor adds fun to the discussion, IMHO. I think SUSE is great out of the box. With Windows you have to go out and buy the extra software. At $25 and up (each), that's a lot of dough, especially for the cash-strapped. Is there a "Linux for kids" site somewhere? -- Don Parris Webmaster Matheteuo Christian Fellowship Charlotte, NC http://matheteuo.org/ webdev@matheteuo.org

Mike McMullin wrote:

On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 23:39, Don Parris wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Anders Johansson [04-29-04 20:50]:

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On Friday 30 April 2004 03.04, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:

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Then get him knoppix and teach him how to do support and data recovery then he can handle the simple problems and you can do the complex. it worked for Moses after he followed his father-in-law's advice.

Moses ran knoppix? I thought everyone ran Yggdrasil back then

cp/m

Then along came Jesus and started a whole new distribution.

More of a fork wouldn't you say? And then not by intention on his part, as he was in computer terms, clarigying the documentation, was he not?

Mike

Thanks for recognizing that. One guy cracked a humorous joke. I merely chimed in with my $0.02 worth, and got called off-topic. After defending my position, the whole topic went dead. Very revealing, if not helpful. I think the discussion of teaching children about Linux is very important. I truly hope the others have just taken a day off, and not allowed someone's misjudgment to ruin the discussion. If I was out of line - which I do not believe - someone point out how so. I'm fairly well versed in netiquette, and taught that as part of Internet classes back in the mid 90's. I do have some questions of my own regarding Linux and young people. Frankly, I didn't play video games much as a kid - and rarely do now. How do I use games for teaching purposes? That had play in the original discussion. What do the games actually teach? I missed that whole concept as a kid. -- Don Parris Webmaster Matheteuo Christian Fellowship Charlotte, NC http://matheteuo.org/ webdev@matheteuo.org

Jon Clausen wrote:

On Sat, May 01, 2004 at 07:11:34PM -0400, Don Parris wrote:

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Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 23:39, Don Parris wrote:

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Anders Johansson [04-29-04 20:50]:

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On Friday 30 April 2004 03.04, Carl William Spitzer IV wrote:

>Then get him knoppix and teach him how to do support and data recovery >then he can handle the simple problems and you can do the complex. it >worked for Moses after he followed his father-in-law's advice. > > > Moses ran knoppix? I thought everyone ran Yggdrasil back then

cp/m

Then along came Jesus and started a whole new distribution.

More of a fork wouldn't you say? And then not by intention on his part, as he was in computer terms, clarigying the documentation, was he not?

Mike

Thanks for recognizing that. One guy cracked a humorous joke. I merely chimed in with my $0.02 worth, and got called off-topic. After defending my position, the whole topic went dead. Very revealing, if not helpful.

Revealing?

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I think the discussion of teaching children about Linux is very important.

Indeed, as do I. It just so happens that *I* think the whole thread is a perfect candidate for [OT], being non-technical in it's nature (apart from the "very young children and passwords" -bit)...

[OT] was created more or less as a direct result of Fred getting napalmed for posting links to articles, which usually had some sort of relevance to the linux community. It's the place for non-tech stuff.

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I truly hope the others have just taken a day off, and not allowed someone's misjudgment to ruin the discussion.

s/misjudgment/opinion/

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If I was out of line - which I do not believe - someone point out how so. I'm fairly well versed in netiquette, and taught that as part of Internet classes back in the mid 90's.

Fine. I'll just STFU now.

/Jon

I would have to agree that the whole discussion should be part of the OT list. I came into it fairly late, though. I didn't start the Moses-Knoppix-Yggdrasil theme, and should not have been singled out. The whole discussion should have been called "off-topic". At the very least, the comments leading to the fork in the discussion should have been included along with mine. By singling out my comments, it appears - to me, at least - that I was getting singled out for using the "wrong" word in a sentence. If I have misunderstood, just communicate that. Since no one is stepping forth to suggest otherwise, I hold my view to be true. I truly thought others had a sense of humor, too. After all, that's all the fork was - humorous comments. All I'm asking for is to be treated fairly. Kindest regards, -- Don Parris Webmaster Matheteuo Christian Fellowship Charlotte, NC http://matheteuo.org/ webdev@matheteuo.org

Jon Clausen wrote:

On Sun, 02 May, 2004 at 10:49:56 -0400, Don Parris wrote:

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I would have to agree that the whole discussion should be part of the OT list. I came into it fairly late, though. I didn't start the Moses-Knoppix-Yggdrasil theme, and should not have been singled out. The whole discussion should have been called "off-topic". At the very least, the comments leading to the fork in the discussion should have been included along with mine. By singling out my comments, it appears - to me, at least - that I was getting singled out for using the "wrong" word in a sentence. If I have misunderstood, just communicate that. Since no one is stepping forth to suggest otherwise, I hold my view to be true.

O.K. Sorry about that. It was not my intention to single you out, though I can see how it came to look like it... I was just snipping quotes, to clean it up a bit... :P

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I truly thought others had a sense of humor, too. After all, that's all the fork was - humorous comments. All I'm asking for is to be treated fairly.

Fair enough ;)

/Jon

Cool! Thanks for letting me know. At least we can work through misunderstandings with respect intact. :-) -- Don Parris Webmaster Matheteuo Christian Fellowship Charlotte, NC http://matheteuo.org/ webdev@matheteuo.org

On a side note to passwords... CAnt KDE remember your password for you? Then the system has a password for ssh and such, it just remembers it when you log in at the physical kde login screen. Just a thought. On Wednesday 28 April 2004 14:48, Michael P Russell wrote:

On Tuesday 27 April 2004 06:51, Damon Register wrote:

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Am I indoctrinating my 3 year old son too early? Now when I come home he says "I want SuSE Linux" so he can play music with XMMS. Maybe I should get more games setup too? If Gates can do it by "giving" all that software to schools, why can't I beat him to it at home?

Damon Register

Check out www.shiftygames.com They are all child based games my friend and I put out just to play with GUI's. And please give ideas for more.... We will try anything once.

MY son is 4, and we have his password as a game. I tape it to the desk, and change it evey so often. He has to type it as written. We still get the number 1 and the letter i confused, so I print it out now. My hand writing is not the best ;) But matching is fun. 3 may be a little young for this however, but I admire your trying.