Whatever your preference is. Personally, I could go either way, but the fact of the matter is, matters of taste such as this are not as important as other aspects, such as personal flames or including an excessive amount of quotes when they are not needed. Charles philip Chan wrote:

On 21 Jan 2007, samir.vds@googlemail.com wrote:

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Top List? You mean I should write my text after the quote?

Please read this:

http://catb.org/jargon/html/email-style.html

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On Monday 22 January 2007 00:27, John Meyer wrote:

Whatever your preference is. Personally, I could go either way, but the fact of the matter is, matters of taste such as this are not as important as other aspects, such as personal flames or including an excessive amount of quotes when they are not needed.

Well, since you choose NOT to follow the desires and procedures of this list, I think it only fair that we ignore you. <PLONK> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

If you want an alternative view, check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting Charles philip Chan wrote:

http://catb.org/jargon/html/email-style.html

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On 22 Jan 2007, john.l.meyer@gmail.com wrote:

If you want an alternative view, check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting Charles philip Chan wrote:

I am not sure if it is saying any thing different: ,----[ Excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting ] | Partially because of Microsoft's influence, top-posting is more common | on mailing lists and in personal e-mail. Top-posting is viewed as | seriously destructive to mailing-list digests, where multiple levels of | top-posting are difficult to skip. The worst case would be top-posting | while including an entire digest as the original message. | | Some believe that "top-posting" is appropriate for interpersonal e-mail, | but inline posting should always be applied to threaded discussions such | as newsgroups. Objections to top-posting on newsgroups, as a rule, seem | to come from persons who first went online in the earlier days of | Usenet, and in communities that date to Usenet's early days. Among the | most vehement communities are those in the Usenet comp.lang hierarchy, | especially comp.lang.c and comp.lang.c++. Etiquette is looser (as is | almost everything) in the alt hierarchy. Newer online participants, | especially those with limited experience of Usenet, tend to be less | sensitive to arguments about posting style. `---- Please especially take note of the digest part- some people do choose to receive the postings as a digest. The page also contains this section with some choice quotes from RFC 1855[1]: ,----[ Excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_posting ] | In the words of RFC 1855, the RFC Netiquette Guidelines, which comprise | a comprehensive set of voluntary netiquette conventions: | | If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you | summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just | enough text of the original to give a context. This will make sure | readers understand when they start to read your response. | | This section of the RFC is discussing public archived postings such as | mailing lists and newsgroups. For interpersonal e-mail, the subject line | is often sufficient to remind the sender of what was being discussed, | and no quoting of any type is necessary to indicate a reply. However, if | one is politely addressing points of a conversation, the points | discussed should be explicitly stated or quoted inline. This is stated | in the RFC regarding interpersonal communication such as email: | | When replying to a message, include enough original material to be | understood but no more. It is extremely bad form to simply reply to | a message by including all the previous message: edit out all the | irrelevant material. `---- Charles Footnotes: [1] Netiquette Guidelines, http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html -- "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development." (By dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca)

Winfried Huber wrote:

Hi John,

Am Montag, 22. Januar 2007 06:36 schrieb John Meyer:

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If you want an alternative view, check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top-posting#Top-posting

fine! So please read what's written there ...

While each online community differs on which styles are appropriate or acceptable, within any community the use of the "wrong" method risks being seen as a major breach of netiquette, and can provoke vehement response from community regulars.

... so you should be so kind to adopt the usual consent in this list - no top posting!

Regards, Winfried

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On 1 Feb 2007, rll@felton.felton.ca.us wrote:

Do you know of anyway to configure Firefox on a folder by folder bases to open at the bottom of the message therefor saving me the scroll down time for bottom posting?

File a bug report? It doesn't really matter anyway since one is suppose to go through the message and trim it. Charles -- "I'd crawl over an acre of 'Visual This++' and 'Integrated Development That' to get to gcc, Emacs, and gdb. Thank you." (By Vance Petree, Virginia Power)

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007 13:46:26 -0500, Patrick Shanahan took time to say the following: (^_^)* Robert Lewis [02-01-07 11:22]: (^_^) [...] (^_^)> Do you know of anyway to configure Firefox on a folder by folder (^_^)> bases to open at the bottom of the message therefor saving me the (^_^)> scroll down time for bottom posting? (^_^) (^_^)Yes, it's called trimming, ie: removing text not necessary to put your (^_^)comments into context. (^_^) (^_^)Posting at the bottom is only PART. Posting within the quoted text (^_^)with spacing to help readers see your comments apart from the quotes, (^_^)giving better context is also acceptable and desirable. (^_^) (^_^)It's known as being considerate. Just to throw my two cents in. I can see both sides of this issue. I mean this has been the topic of many discussions for the longest time, and it gets very close to the Mac vs PC arguments. (most of the time it's not a discussion/debate). I bottom post here because that is what I noticed and it was a discussion back a few years when the list was called something else. With that said, everywhere else, I usually top post. I will snip a lot, and I even do that here, but some people don't and to have to scroll down a message that's upwards of five pages to get to "I Agree!" is mind boggling to say the least. It is just my pet peeve when some (generally speaking so don't take it personal) will get that holier than thou attitude because someone may or may not bottom post or someone that's obviously new to this (I might still be considered a newbie although I have attempted installs of Linux back to the days when it wasn't for the faint of heart people) and they are looked down upon, snide remarks about how many seconds it took to google something and so forth. The bottom line for me is, I don't think one person here came out of their mother sitting in front of a computer and installing Linux! Everyone was a newbie ONCE! With that said, I also agree that sometimes its hard for someone to sit back and NOT say something like that, I was accused of coming straight here and asking for help. I won't ask for help unless I have tried other avenues and have searched the net. Maybe didn't hit the right sites, but a lot of what I read on the current problem didn't make much sense to me and so forth. I will admit, the likelyhood of me coming up with the solutions/hints and so forth that was posted here were very low, I still attempted to find other sites where people had these problems and while I know somewhere someone posted exactly the things that were posted here, but they weren't in the top 20 of the search results, that's for sure. :-) I would touch on people being called a liar, but I only have so long before heading back on the road! :-) Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris wrote:

Well, actually, that's part of the method to the madness...

... bottom posting is one of way stating (implying) that the poster has read the stuff at the top. In other words, its a polite way to acknowledging what the other person has said--- you recognize the other person's viewpoint by posting "after" , and hopefully, by posting "within" their context. Actually, bottom posting is the "minimum" etiquette. Relevant contextual posting is the best.... comments interspersed (in context) following the point made by the original poster. Also, as I have done here, trimming is especially helpful. It doesn't make sense to copy the "entire" previous post if you're only going to comment on one sentence. Trim the stuff that doesn't matter, and post "after" the quoted stuff.... true bottom posting. This is easy to do in kmail... just highlight the area you will be commenting about and press the "l" key (for list)... and the To: field will be filled in for the list (automatically) and the text will be autotrimmed ready for you to fill in your comment at the bottom... very cool.

Thanks that feedback was the best I have seen. I use Thunderbird rather than Kmail for some reason or another. But, I think I'll do the trimming in the future as you suggest.

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Just to muddy the waters: I hate bottom posting. I know from the thread what it is about. If I need a reminder, then I'll scroll down for a review but I seldom need to review a message to which I am replying so just for courtesy I'll put it at the bottom in case the person to whom I am replying forgot what (s)he said. Scrolling down is a waste of time and energy. Top posting LIVE FOREVER!!! :) Bottom posting may have had a place in the 80's and 90's but I doubt it and, additionally, those days are over. Chuck Davis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Chuck Davis writes:

Just to muddy the waters: I hate bottom posting. I know from the thread what it is about. If I need a reminder, then I'll scroll down for a review but I seldom need to review a message to which I am replying so just for courtesy I'll put it at the bottom in case the person to whom I am replying forgot what (s)he said. Scrolling down is a waste of time and energy. Top posting LIVE FOREVER!!! :)

Bottom posting may have had a place in the 80's and 90's but I doubt it and, additionally, those days are over.

Chuck Davis

You know that people are very passionate about this don't you? :-) Don't quite understand that passion given there are more important things in life that are more important, but that's the way it is. Some will swear by Linux, others Windows, others Macs. Ford, Chevy. Like I said before, I bottom post just because that's the "norm" here. Like you, I can scroll down to refresh my memory, but if one interested in a thread, then that person already know what has been said before because he/she would have had to have read the message he/she is replying to. <shrug> The biggest reason why these types of threads bothers me is because they more often than not turn into flame wars. which is counterproductive in my opinion. Now I don't know if bottom posting is a written rule, or an unwritten rule, but if it is a written rule, adopted by the powers that be, then that should be made clear to everyone. If not, and bottom posting is an "open" choice of the poster, then that is fine too. There are more important things in life, like how to tweak SuSe 10.2 where it's not as sluggish as it is? :-) Jerky scrolling and the such? I can only imagine what it would be like running on a 700mhz system! :-O -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

JB wrote:

On Saturday 03 February 2007 09:44, Chuck Davis wrote:

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person to whom I am replying forgot what (s)he said. Scrolling down is a waste of time and energy. Top posting LIVE FOREVER!!! :)

Shout out that laziness!

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Bottom posting may have had a place in the 80's and 90's but I doubt it and, additionally, those days are over.

You mean reading English from top to bottom changed in 2000?

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Pretty much what I was about to point out. Sadly, the reason so many people seem to have adopted top-posting is a certain LookOut MUA which does it by default. It's akin to answering a question before it's been asked. It makes more logical sense to read replies *after* the original posting. As for "scrolling down is a waste of time and energy" how much time/energy is wasted hitting CTRL-End (or whatever your GUI's key combination for "jump to the bottom" is)? Perhaps we're all supposed to start reading Lord of the Rings backwards? -- Paul Walsh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org