Re: [opensuse] can I add dos 6.22 to grub without using a separate partition

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Vahe Avedissian

21 Apr 2008 21 Apr '08

17:39

----- Original Message ---- From: Carlos E. R. To: OS-en Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] can I add dos 6.22 to grub without using a separate partition -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2008-04-21 at 07:57 -0700, Vahe Avedissian wrote:

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As most hw manufacturers force us to boot into dos to upgrade BIOS or run diagnotsics we all need to keep a floppy (or usb) with dos on it. I know I can create a small partition and install the floppy contents thee and add the requisite entry to grub (or lilo).

My question is we can boot and jump into memtest using a floppy, or a menu entry in grub using a dot bin file. Can we do the same with dos 6.22 and not create a new partition for dos?

You can emulate dos inside linux. You can run a dos virtual box using vmware or virtual box or whatever. But no, you can not boot a file and have dos. And the first two options are useless to update the bios (a virtualized system accesses a virtual bios, not the real bios); and the emulated dos will be refused access to the bios by the linux kernel. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Thanks Carlos, I suspected so much - I just wanted to make sure I didn't overlook anything. Furthermore, if I need to run any type of dos diagnostic that generates a log file, booting from an image or file would not work anyway. Vahe ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Bob Williams

21 Apr 21 Apr

18:44

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On Monday 21 April 2008 18:39:59 Vahe Avedissian wrote:

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----- Original Message ---- From: Carlos E. R. To: OS-en Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] can I add dos 6.22 to grub without using a separate partition

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The Monday 2008-04-21 at 07:57 -0700, Vahe Avedissian wrote:

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As most hw manufacturers force us to boot into dos to upgrade BIOS or run diagnotsics we all need to keep a floppy (or usb) with dos on it. I know I can create a small partition and install the floppy contents thee and add the requisite entry to grub (or lilo).

My question is we can boot and jump into memtest using a floppy, or a menu entry in grub using a dot bin file. Can we do the same with dos 6.22 and not create a new partition for dos?

You can emulate dos inside linux. You can run a dos virtual box using vmware or virtual box or whatever.

But no, you can not boot a file and have dos.

And the first two options are useless to update the bios (a virtualized system accesses a virtual bios, not the real bios); and the emulated dos will be refused access to the bios by the linux kernel.

- -- Cheers, Carlos E. R.

Thanks Carlos,

I suspected so much - I just wanted to make sure I didn't overlook anything.

Furthermore, if I need to run any type of dos diagnostic that generates a log file, booting from an image or file would not work anyway.

Vahe

Google for Ultimate Boot CD, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. -- Bob Registered Linux User #463880 GPG-FP: A6C1 457C 6DBA B13E 5524 F703 D12A FB79 926B 994E openSUSE 10.3, Kernel 2.6.22.17-0.1-default, KDE 3.5.9 Intel Celeron 2.53GB, 2GB DDR RAM, nVidia GeForce 7600GS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dave Plater

22 Apr 22 Apr

04:57

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Vahe Avedissian wrote:

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----- Original Message ---- From: Carlos E. R. To: OS-en Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:21:12 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] can I add dos 6.22 to grub without using a separate partition

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The Monday 2008-04-21 at 07:57 -0700, Vahe Avedissian wrote:

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As most hw manufacturers force us to boot into dos to upgrade BIOS or run diagnotsics we all need to keep a floppy (or usb) with dos on it. I know I can create a small partition and install the floppy contents thee and add the requisite entry to grub (or lilo).

My question is we can boot and jump into memtest using a floppy, or a menu entry in grub using a dot bin file. Can we do the same with dos 6.22 and not create a new partition for dos?

Hi, I just flashed my bios with flashrom, from the coreboot-utils package. See http://www.coreboot.org/Flashrom for installation details and supported chipsets and mother boards. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd

06:13

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Dave Plater a écrit :

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Hi, I just flashed my bios with flashrom, from the coreboot-utils package. See http://www.coreboot.org/Flashrom for installation details and supported chipsets and mother boards. Regards Dave P

this seems very interesting, could you document this on the wiki? thanks. jdd -- http://www.dodin.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dave Plater

07:18

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Dave Plater a �crit :

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Hi, I just flashed my bios with flashrom, from the coreboot-utils package. See http://www.coreboot.org/Flashrom for installation details and supported chipsets and mother boards. Regards Dave P

this seems very interesting, could you document this on the wiki? thanks.

jdd I've never posted to the wiki before, where can I find help? Regards Dave P

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Dave Plater

08:56

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Dave Plater wrote:

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jdd wrote:

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Dave Plater a �crit :

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Hi, I just flashed my bios with flashrom, from the coreboot-utils package. See http://www.coreboot.org/Flashrom for installation details and supported chipsets and mother boards. Regards Dave P

this seems very interesting, could you document this on the wiki? thanks.

jdd I've never posted to the wiki before, where can I find help? Regards Dave P

Hi, I've just finished my fist wiki at http://en.opensuse.org/Biosflash any comments appreciated. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

jdd sur free

09:34

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Dave Plater a écrit :

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Hi, I've just finished my fist wiki at http://en.opensuse.org/Biosflash any comments appreciated.

very nice, thanks I just edited slightely the page to make it "anonymous". As many people can edit the page, it's better not to use forms like "I did", "my computer", replaced by "this computer was tested" "or this tip works on this make"... now try to find a category and add it to the page, try to find a page where this one can be referenced to be easily found by users :-) this part (organising) is the harder thing to do and usually is done by others, more experienced users if you ever made an entry in wikipedia, you may have noticed than you page is sometime edited *before* you finished it :-) at openSUSE we are not that numerous for this to happen :-)) thanks again jdd -- Jean-Daniel Dodin Président du CULTe www.culte.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dave Plater

10:14

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jdd sur free wrote:

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I just edited slightely the page to make it "anonymous". As many people can edit the page, it's better not to use forms like "I did", "my computer", replaced by "this computer was tested" "or this tip works on this make"...

now try to find a category and add it to the page, try to find a page where this one can be referenced to be easily found by users :-)

this part (organising) is the harder thing to do and usually is done by others, more experienced users

if you ever made an entry in wikipedia, you may have noticed than you page is sometime edited *before* you finished it :-)

at openSUSE we are not that numerous for this to happen :-))

thanks again jdd

Thanks for the tips, I've placed a link at http://en.opensuse.org/BIOS which is where I ended up when I searched for bios. Do you think thats a good reference? Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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