On 02/06/2010 05:01 AM, Tejas Guruswamy wrote:

Actually, it looks like 11.0 support was dropped from the repo ... looking at the project page on build.oo the 11.0 setup has been removed.

Of course it is the maintainers right to do this, but they should probably have let you and any other users know first ...

Regards, Tejas

Aargh, Looks like 11.0 is the next bastard-child release... That is why SuSE should really look at going to a rolling-release system. Think about the money Novell would save supporting only 1 release verses trying to maintain 3 sets of everything. Plus it entirely eliminates the disruption to the users of a forced reinstall and upgrade at the end of each release cycle. This isn't a joke, the entire rolling-release model makes sense. Novell would save more in support costs in the first year than it could ever hope to realize in revenues from 50 years of selling boxed sets. Who knows, maybe after the saving come in, all the devs could get a $1,000,000 per year bonus like the big bank employees do :p -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 02/08/2010 05:30 AM, Pit Suetterlin wrote:

To be honest, I'm happy they don't. Several things in (the early) 11.1 screwed up my laptop so it was hardly useable. Fortunately I could just continue using 11.0. How do rolling-release systems do huge changes? Like new version of compiler, DE or alike? I wouldn't want to get those with a standard 'zypper up'...

Pit

I see the argument, but there is an answer for that too. In a rolling-release, you have the stable repositories that always have proven code in them. Next, you have the testing (factory) repo where development occurs on the next major milestone of various packages with major changes. The difference is that packages generally stay in testing for no more than 14 days, the rare exception is major kernel changes which may take up to 30 days. (e.g. kernel drm, etc..) But, nothing like the current 270 days of factory testing trying to basically 're-create' an entire distribution for each release. The rolling-release system works very well. If it didn't, I wouldn't bother to mention it. If you want to see it in action. Load Arch Linux, and after 3 months with a rolling-release model, I'll wager you'll become an advocate as well. A major benefit is your packages are always much more current than in the 1-2 year release model. Here we have 500% more resources dedicated to keeping packages 2 major versions behind, where in a rolling-release, you simply have your effort put toward packaging the current version of each package. Additionally, here the oldest supported release is always the 'bastard child' where support evaporates as soon as it is superseded in all but critical security concerns, and entire repositories 'evaporate' without notice for those releases forcing the user to either sit with outdated software, compile from source drawing the "no support because you didn't use a suse rpm, or force the user to upgrade to the latest release. All of that is eliminated with a rolling-release. To each his own, but if multi-million dollar savings can be realized while bringing the distribution more current, benefiting the community by eliminating stale packages or forced upgrades then it's a model that merits some discussion. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On 02/11/2010 11:38 AM, Pavol Rusnak wrote:

On 02/06/2010 09:13 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:

...

Guys,

X11/xfce repository repodata is on the fritz. Looks like it is time for a createrepo --update -d, or there is a redirector that is out of what or a screwed up mirror :p

File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/X11:/xfce/openSUSE_11.0/'

Abort, retry, ignore? [A/r/i]: i

I re-enabled 11.0 repo for X11:xfce. It's difficult to see if people are using it without download statistics :-/

Thank you very much Pavol. It is much appreciated. You have done a great job with xfce and I know there are quite a few other 11.0 user that rely on it for reinstalls, etc. So thanks again! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org