Report: Less Linux in servers...
Report: Less Linux in servers... "A major disagreement is brewing about exactly what share of the server market Linux actually holds, and Microsoft is again an active player in the debate. A recently released Gartner Dataquest report, sponsored by several companies including Microsoft, found that just 8.6 percent of server shipments in the U.S. during the third quarter of 2000 were Linux-based. The report, authored by Gartner Dataquest principle analyst Jeff Hewitt, also found that 93 percent of those server systems shipped were Red Hat Linux, with the remaining 7 percent consisting of "other Linux flavors." Another interesting finding was that when so-called "white box," or non-branded, server purchases were excluded and only branded server purchases considered, Linux's share of the market fell to just 6 percent in the third quarter of 2000." http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2772060,00.html -- -- ----/ / _ Fred A. Miller ---/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Systems Administrator --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Cornell Univ. Press Services -/____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ fm@cupserv.org
First reply... Remember this survey was taken from only 724 or so "professionals", wonder how many were the MSFT sponsered ones? Add in the fact that the number is so small that it does not represent any real value at all... This is like an election, the first 700 show that leader a has 92%, whilst leader B has only 8%. With so many shadows of doubt over just how many were just taking the survey just to add the MSFT and because if you double the size of the survey you could easily get a very different result. Netcraft is better than any Gartner research anyway...Although thats not perfect. Matt -- "The only thing complex about Linux are the users themselves." On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Report: Less Linux in servers...
"A major disagreement is brewing about exactly what share of the server market Linux actually holds, and Microsoft is again an active player in the debate.
A recently released Gartner Dataquest report, sponsored by several companies including Microsoft, found that just 8.6 percent of server shipments in the U.S. during the third quarter of 2000 were Linux-based.
The report, authored by Gartner Dataquest principle analyst Jeff Hewitt, also found that 93 percent of those server systems shipped were Red Hat Linux, with the remaining 7 percent consisting of "other Linux flavors."
Another interesting finding was that when so-called "white box," or non-branded, server purchases were excluded and only branded server purchases considered, Linux's share of the market fell to just 6 percent in the third quarter of 2000."
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2772060,00.html
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"A major disagreement is brewing about exactly what share of the server market Linux actually holds, and Microsoft is again an active player in the debate.
A recently released Gartner Dataquest report, sponsored by several companies including Microsoft, found that just 8.6 percent of server shipments in the U.S. during the third quarter of 2000 were Linux-based.
FUD!!! Servers shipped has no relationship to servers RUNNING. -- Rudder mailto:rudder@olsusa.com
Xactly, correlation is not causation - Plain and simple. Curtis On Tuesday 12 June 2001 03:19 pm, Rudder wrote:
"A major disagreement is brewing about exactly what share of the server market Linux actually holds, and Microsoft is again an active player in the debate.
A recently released Gartner Dataquest report, sponsored by several companies including Microsoft, found that just 8.6 percent of server shipments in the U.S. during the third quarter of 2000 were Linux-based.
FUD!!!
Servers shipped has no relationship to servers RUNNING.
As a medical professional any survey that doesn't show the legitimacy of the study by: A) publishing the "methods" used in a proven scientific manner: B) Doesn't have a control group: C) Don't show methods to disqualify any bias or self selection: and D) Doesn't discuss the failings that may have been present and the implication that this may have on any "conclusions" that might be arrived at are "conjecture" plain and simple. What statistical analysis and mthods were used? What was the criteria for the population selection? How many confounders were present? The article doesn't even get close to meeting the proven methods and formats for "any" study or survey that would be worth the time and effort to even consider it as a viable source of information that one would use to make decisions or consider as "fact." As far as I'm concerned it's just someones opinion. And given that this "someone" is openly and widely known to be in a contractual partnership with one of the companies involved in the study - it has disqualified itself outright as a biased and unreliable source. IMHO. Curtis On Tuesday 12 June 2001 12:36 pm, StarTux wrote:
First reply...
Remember this survey was taken from only 724 or so "professionals", wonder how many were the MSFT sponsered ones? Add in the fact that the number is so small that it does not represent any real value at all...
This is like an election, the first 700 show that leader a has 92%, whilst leader B has only 8%. With so many shadows of doubt over just how many were just taking the survey just to add the MSFT and because if you double the size of the survey you could easily get a very different result.
Netcraft is better than any Gartner research anyway...Although thats not perfect.
Matt
-- "The only thing complex about Linux are the users themselves."
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Report: Less Linux in servers...
"A major disagreement is brewing about exactly what share of the server market Linux actually holds, and Microsoft is again an active player in the debate.
A recently released Gartner Dataquest report, sponsored by several companies including Microsoft, found that just 8.6 percent of server shipments in the U.S. during the third quarter of 2000 were Linux-based.
The report, authored by Gartner Dataquest principle analyst Jeff Hewitt, also found that 93 percent of those server systems shipped were Red Hat Linux, with the remaining 7 percent consisting of "other Linux flavors."
Another interesting finding was that when so-called "white box," or non-branded, server purchases were excluded and only branded server purchases considered, Linux's share of the market fell to just 6 percent in the third quarter of 2000."
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2772060,00.html
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Just goes to show that most corporate official 'spokespeople' have no idea
what servers they are running - they just assume it is Windows.
There are a number of other issues.
1. Most Linux users buy their kit either with no o/s (we bought a Dell
Poweredge server with no o/s the other month, to put SuSE 7.1 on -
presumable it is not only not counted as Linux, but the M$ licence police
will be paying a visit :)) or Windoze on it and install their own copy of
Linux.
2. With the end of the dot com boom there is a ton of equipment out there
that is 1->2 years old. Needless to say the chances of it being able to run
the latest Windoze is minimal. It runs Lunux just fine and is dirt cheap.
3. A lot of Linux servers are older machines that weren't bought as such
but were saved from dumping when the hardware was upgrade and turned into
Linux servers. Most people in the office don't even know they are running
Linux, especially if it's using Samba.
alan
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From: "Fred A. Miller"
These surveys are certainly *not* scientific, they cannot stand up to scrutiny very well, if at all. Why don't they come out and say "according to the Gypsy Lady last night Windows is being shipped on more servers than ever before, this seems to be the consensus across most Gypsies surveyed". Before I get a death spell cast one, I wish to point out this was used only as an example, no wish to offend any gypsies out there...:-) Matt -- "The only thing complex about Linux are the users themselves." On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Alan Lenton wrote:
Just goes to show that most corporate official 'spokespeople' have no idea what servers they are running - they just assume it is Windows.
There are a number of other issues.
1. Most Linux users buy their kit either with no o/s (we bought a Dell Poweredge server with no o/s the other month, to put SuSE 7.1 on - presumable it is not only not counted as Linux, but the M$ licence police will be paying a visit :)) or Windoze on it and install their own copy of Linux.
2. With the end of the dot com boom there is a ton of equipment out there that is 1->2 years old. Needless to say the chances of it being able to run the latest Windoze is minimal. It runs Lunux just fine and is dirt cheap.
3. A lot of Linux servers are older machines that weren't bought as such but were saved from dumping when the hardware was upgrade and turned into Linux servers. Most people in the office don't even know they are running Linux, especially if it's using Samba.
alan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred A. Miller"
To: "SuSE Linux List" Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:11 PM Subject: [SLE] Report: Less Linux in servers... | Report: Less Linux in servers... | | "A major disagreement is brewing about exactly what share of the server | market Linux actually holds, and Microsoft is again an active player in | the debate. | | A recently released Gartner Dataquest report, sponsored by several | companies including Microsoft, found that just 8.6 percent of server | shipments in the U.S. during the third quarter of 2000 were | Linux-based. | | The report, authored by Gartner Dataquest principle analyst Jeff | Hewitt, also found that 93 percent of those server systems shipped were | Red Hat Linux, with the remaining 7 percent consisting of "other Linux | flavors." | | Another interesting finding was that when so-called "white box," or | non-branded, server purchases were excluded and only branded server | purchases considered, Linux's share of the market fell to just 6 | percent in the third quarter of 2000." | | http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2772060,00.html | | -- | -- | ----/ / _ Fred A. Miller | ---/ / (_)__ __ ____ __ Systems Administrator | --/ /__/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / Cornell Univ. Press Services | -/____/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ fm@cupserv.org | | -- | To unsubscribe send e-mail to suse-linux-e-unsubscribe@suse.com | For additional commands send e-mail to suse-linux-e-help@suse.com | Also check the FAQ at http://www.suse.com/support/faq and the | archives at http://lists.suse.com | |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Fred A. Miller wrote:
Report: Less Linux in servers...
A recently released Gartner Dataquest report, sponsored by several
I've spent a lot of time during my career reading Gartner Group reports, mostly because the exec's at the company I worked for bought the subscription, and believed they held the holy grail. My opinion, however, is that they know absolutely nothing about the technology they write about. Their reports are based soley on their perception of market share, and to them, garnering market share is the sole criteria for success of a product. Their 'recommendations' amount to: "Follow the crowd" and nothing more. It saddens me that most of the high-level execs that I've encountered think like them, and follow their advice... -- Rick Green "I have the heart of a little child, and the brain of a genius. ... and I keep them in a jar under my bed"
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Alan Lenton
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Curtis Rey
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Fred A. Miller
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Rick Green
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Rudder
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StarTux