Ah, obviously you got the email. On 13.09.2005 18:45 Jyri Palokangas wrote:

I found my lost mails from gmails spam folder

That was the first place I looked for them, but I didnt find them. that was what I meant with "spanfilter". Thanks, OJ -- Die Ehe ist eine wunderbare Einrichtung, die zwei Menschen befähigt, gemeinsam Schwierigkeiten zu ertragen, die sie nie gehabt hätten, wenn sie einander nicht geheiratet hätten. (Lucky Luke, Die Verlobte von Lucky Luke)

On 13.09.2005 19:42 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

If you are using a browser and reading your mail online at gmail, gmail does *not* show messages you sent in incoming mail.

Im not, I forgot to tell.

A solution, use your own mailer to send mail and use your gmail address and sender. You can then read your mail online in gmail.

Im reading "offline" with Mozilla 1.7.11 at the Moment. OJ -- "Die Ehe ist ein Lotteriespiel..." "Falsch! Beim Lotteriespiel hat man eine Chance zu gewinnen..." (Lucky Luke, Die Verlobte von Lucky Luke)

On 13.09.2005 20:16 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

but are you sending via gmail or your own smtp host?

Via gmail. Why? OJ -- "Du hast die Manieren eines Bettlers." "Ich wollte, daß Du Dich wie zu Hause fühlst." (Monkey Island)

On Tuesday 13 September 2005 22:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

so, as I believe I said earlier, gmail does not show posts you originate in/at gmail in mail received.

It not only doesn't show them, it apparently deletes them as they come in.

solution, use another smtp such as your isp's relay and use your gmail addr as the poster.

Too bad if your isp is like mine and doesn't allow other sender addresses or overwrites them with your isp address. ;-) But kmail can be configured to "keep replies in this folder". It doesn't help with new mails (this could be fixed with a special identity which has the mailing list folder as sent folder), but handy anyway. Just right-click on the folder and choose properties. Cheers, Andreas

* houghi [09-13-05 17:45]:

On Wed, Sep 14, 2005 at 12:29:58AM +0200, Andreas Simon wrote:

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Too bad if your isp is like mine and doesn't allow other sender addresses or overwrites them with your isp address. ;-)

Can you send mail directly? Use postfix to do so and send it directly.

Wouldn't help in his case. He said that his isp will not allow other sender addresses. At any rate, he would have to use a dog of a mail client that supports 'set envelope_from', or the list would bounce his mail. but *you* can as I can see from your headers, and I do. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

* houghi [09-13-05 18:13]:

I have a great provider that is also very Linux friendly (Evonet in Belgium) and can without problem use their server, or I can use the mailserver for my domain, or I could use neither and just deliver mail directly from my server to mx1.suse.de. and mx2.suse.de.

I can mail direct, also, but too many isp's bounce non-static addresses that I relay all thru my provider. I did mail direct until about two years ago, but had to relay mail for aol and a few other places that we used to deride in the _older_ (tm) daz. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

* Johannes Kastl [09-14-05 09:30]:

On 13.09.2005 22:18 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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so, as I believe I said earlier, gmail does not show posts you originate in/at gmail in mail received.

What the f... should that be good for?

You will have to ask gmail.google.com. It's their policy, not mine.

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solution, use another smtp such as your isp's relay and use your gmail addr as the poster.

Ill have a try now with this mail.

did it work?

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I use gmail/fetchmail but post from my box relayed by my isp and I see all of my posts on gmail. You do not need to do the fetchmail bit but you *do* need to post via another avenue other than gmail.

Since Im not always sitting on my linux machine this would not work.

guess you would need to ssh into your linux mach to do list mailings? -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2