On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 09:32:06 -0500, Patrick Shanahan took time to say the following: (^_^)* Charles R. Buchanan [02-04-07 01:30]: (^_^)> (^_^) (^_^)Mailing-List: contact opensuse-test-help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj (^_^)List-Post: mailto:opensuse-test@opensuse.org (^_^)List-Help: mailto:opensuse-test-help@opensuse.org (^_^)List-Owner: mailto:opensuse-test-owner@opensuse.org (^_^)List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse-test-subscribe@opensuse.org (^_^)List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse-test-unsubscribe@opensuse.org (^_^)X-Mailinglist: opensuse-test (^_^) (^_^) (^_^)provided for your information and use (Please). People do (insert favprite word here) about the smallest things these days. Jeez! See how many people actually saved themselves the needless exertion of energy by actually ignoring it? Let me go get my coffee. I sure hope that made you feel so much better. Oh, by the way, a simple note offlist probably would have been better received instead of showing the arrogance and the "see I told him didn't I?" Look at me I'm a BIG man! Also, I didn't know there was those addresses, they weren't included in the "commands available for opensuse@opensuse.org" (just for YOUR information) Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:57:26 -0500, Patrick Shanahan took time to say the following: (^_^)* Charles R. Buchanan [02-04-07 11:50]: (^_^) [...] (^_^)> Oh, by the way, a simple note offlist probably would have been better (^_^)> received instead of showing the arrogance and the "see I told him (^_^)> didn't I?" Look at me I'm a BIG man! Also, I didn't know there was (^_^)> those addresses, they weren't included in the "commands available for (^_^)> opensuse@opensuse.org" (just for YOUR information) (^_^) (^_^)I see that you follow your own advice :^) (^_^) (^_^)hope your coffee was not as hot as your temper.... (^_^)-- (^_^)Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 You're right, it (my reply) should have been take offlist. Granted I only got about two hours of sleep (if that) after an all nighter trying to create a bartpe bootcd, and downloading and installing 65 updates 10.2, and trying to figure out to install a simple program, still no excuse. So I do apologize for my (latest) outburst. Why are there so many different installation technics? rpm, .run, tar.gz, .bin. I mean right there on the website it tells you how to do it, followed the commands exactly, and it (shell program) says that the file/directory doesn't exist. Maybe (probably) I'm missing something here. if the program is "install-realplayer10gold.bin" for instance, The file is in /home/(username), I'm in the directory /home/(username), do a dir and the file is there, I issue the command(s) that is/are listed on the website for this program, what else am I suppose to be doing? I su'd because that is required to install a program. hmmm? Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 04 February 2007 10:11, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Charles R. Buchanan [02-04-07 12:19]: [...]

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Why are there so many different installation technics? rpm, .run, tar.gz, .bin.

different strokes for different distros... There are MANY different distributions who think that their way is better.

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I mean right there on the website it tells you how to do it, followed the commands exactly, and it (shell program) says that the file/directory doesn't exist. Maybe (probably) I'm missing something here.

Definitely. The first is to use rpms when using an rpm based system which openSUSE is (unless you *really* know what you are doing).

So I should look to see if the file(s) are rpm first? If my memory serves me correct, I remember one time it (the distro that was installed at the time) gave me the choice to install using one of the system's programs. I'm not certain if it was SuSe though.

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if the program is "install-realplayer10gold.bin" for instance, The file is in /home/(username), I'm in the directory /home/(username), do a dir and the file is there, I issue the command(s) that is/are listed on the website for this program, what else am I suppose to be doing?

You are supposed to be using the RealPlayer rpm provided on your openSUSE dvd/cd or from one of the openSUSE repositories.

I was using Real Player as an example, but that's good info to know. I wanted to try out Thunderbird but couldn't get it to install. So I'm using KMail at this time, which is serving the main purpose. I did manage to install the ati driver package though. The scrolling is better, but not where it should be, so I might still have some tweaking to do somewhere. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 13:16:48 -0600, Billie Erin Walsh took time to say the following: (^_^)charles buchanan wrote: (^_^)> I wanted to try out Thunderbird but couldn't get it to install. So I'm using KMail at (^_^)> this time, which is serving the main purpose. I did manage to install the ati (^_^)> driver package though. The scrolling is better, but not where it should be, (^_^)> so I might still have some tweaking to do somewhere. (^_^)Thunderbird is on your install disk. Also on most of the install repos. (^_^) (^_^)-- (^_^) (^_^)(o:]>*HUGGLES*<[:o) (^_^)Billie Walsh Hmm? Have to check that out. I remember seeing Firefox during the install, but not TB. Thanks! Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:24:58 -0600, "Rajko M." took time to say the following: (^_^)On Sunday 04 February 2007 13:04, charles buchanan wrote: (^_^)... (^_^)> > > if the program is  "install-realplayer10gold.bin" for instance, (^_^)> > > The file is in /home/(username), I'm in the directory /home/(username), (^_^)> > > do a dir and the file is there, I issue the command(s) that is/are (^_^)> > > listed on the website for this program, what else am I suppose to be (^_^)> > > doing? (^_^)... (^_^)> I wanted to try out Thunderbird but couldn't get it to install. (^_^) (^_^)What is wrong? (^_^)Program not running? (^_^)Shell reports that can't find program? (^_^) (^_^)-- (^_^)Regards, Rajko. Gonna try and do it from the install disc as someone mentioned. KMail seems to do what I need it to do so it's not a really big deal, but I do want to be able to install different packages and the such though. Too many people spend money they haven't earned to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like. -Will Rogers -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 18:15 -0500, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On Sunday 04 February 2007 15:24, Rajko M. wrote:

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if the program is "install-realplayer10gold.bin" for instance, The file is in /home/(username), I'm in the directory /home/(username), do a dir and the file is there, I issue the command(s) that is/are listed on the website for this program, what else am I suppose to be doing?

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I wanted to try out Thunderbird but couldn't get it to install.

What is wrong? Program not running? Shell reports that can't find program?

-- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal

You can't run a program from the directory it's in.

Actually you can but you need to run the program as ./some_program_to_run. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 15:29 -0800, J Sloan wrote:

Doug McGarrett wrote:

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On Sunday 04 February 2007 15:24, Rajko M. wrote:

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On Sunday 04 February 2007 13:04, charles buchanan wrote: ...

You can't run a program from the directory it's in. That seems to be a UNIX no-no. Back up one directory, and run the command with /directory/install...etc. I know it's goofy, but that's UNIX--and Linux. In this case, the "directory" is /username.

Eh? In unix, you can run a program in any directory, from any directory, no limits, whatsoever.

If the program is not in the path (regardless of what directory the program is in, or your current directory) simply use the full path to the program.

For Example:

If the file "install.sh" is in the current directory, simply type:

./install.sh

"." means the current directory in unix speak.

You may need to chmod 777 install.sh first, if it's not executable.

Actually 555 would do. the modes are rwx where r=4, w=2 and x=1. Add them together for the total. The minimum needed to run a file (script) is r_x=5, you need the ability to Read the file and eXecute it. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 05 February 2007 00:38, Kenneth Schneider wrote:

Actually 555 would do. the modes are rwx where r=4, w=2 and x=1. Add them together for the total. The minimum needed to run a file (script) is r_x=5, you need the ability to Read the file and eXecute it.

500 would do, if you are the owner of the script. and for a binary, you only need execute permissions, so 100 is the minimum needed -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 05 February 2007 00:46, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:

I downloaded a script yesterday. It was a script to check settings or something or other for the ati card that I have installed. Tried to run the script and even that didn't work. So I should have ran "chmod 777 (or 555) as Ken has stated in his post?

Yes. Or you could have run it with bash scriptname.sh

I also ran the chmod command for yet another program I was attempting to install and that didn't work as well.

What exactly did you run, and how did it fail?

I would feel like a heel if I was just guessing at this stuff, but I just did what the instructions on the website said to do. <shrug>

Which web site? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 05 February 2007 02:59, Rajko M. wrote:

Anders example: bash scriptname.sh is in openSUSE equivalent to sh scriptname.sh in instructions on nVidia web site as sh is only symlink to bash.

No, not exactly. When bash is called as "sh", it tries as far as possible to behave like older unix shells. There are differences (although they shouldn't be relevant for most scripts) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 04 February 2007 18:04, Anders Johansson wrote:

On Monday 05 February 2007 02:59, Rajko M. wrote:

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Anders example: bash scriptname.sh is in openSUSE equivalent to sh scriptname.sh in instructions on nVidia web site as sh is only symlink to bash.

No, not exactly. When bash is called as "sh", it tries as far as possible to behave like older unix shells. There are differences (although they shouldn't be relevant for most scripts)

Not being a fan of cli's, guess I'd better start if I need to install programs huh? I did realize yesterday/last night that there was a "." in front of one of the commands I was trying to run. The type on some of these (web) pages are really small and it's easy to miss that period. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 04 February 2007 20:53, Anders Johansson wrote:

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I did realize yesterday/last night that there was a "." in front of one of the commands I was trying to run. The type on some of these (web) pages are really small and it's easy to miss that period.

Yep. That's why it's better to say "bash scriptname" (or "sh scriptname"). It's easier to read

For the reading small fonts on some web pages is good to know keyboard shortcut. Pressing simultaneously CTRL and Plus on numeric keyboard will increase font size. Minus will do the opposite. The same effect has Ctrl-Shift-(plus key). -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 04 February 2007 21:27, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:

Actually I decided to find out how to do that after I sent the message. (I'm not coming to tell you I was holding the ctrl key while using the scroll wheel)  :-D

Never too old to learn something :-) Thanks. -- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

charles buchanan wrote:

Not being a fan of cli's, guess I'd better start if I need to install programs huh? I did realize yesterday/last night that there was a "." in front of one of the commands I was trying to run. The type on some of these (web) pages are really small and it's easy to miss that period.

Not at all - you can install from a cli, but nothing stops you from using the package management systems instead... Joe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 04 February 2007 15:15, Doug McGarrett wrote:

On Sunday 04 February 2007 15:24, Rajko M. wrote:

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On Sunday 04 February 2007 13:04, charles buchanan wrote: ...

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if the program is  "install-realplayer10gold.bin" for instance, The file is in /home/(username), I'm in the directory /home/(username), do a dir and the file is there, I issue the command(s) that is/are listed on the website for this program, what else am I suppose to be doing?

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I wanted to try out Thunderbird but couldn't get it to install.

What is wrong? Program not running? Shell reports that can't find program?

-- Regards, Rajko. http://en.opensuse.org/Portal

You can't run a program from the directory it's in. That seems to be a UNIX no-no. Back up one directory, and run the command with /directory/install...etc. I know it's goofy, but that's UNIX--and Linux. In this case, the "directory" is /username.

--doug

I just ran the check.sh and this is what it said: ===================================================================== ATI Technologies ===================================================================== You are either not running this script from the console or simply do not have console ownership. Requirement failed. Unable to determine XFree86 Version. Stopping now. Now, is console and terminal two different things? I used the "bash check.sh" command. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 06 February 2007 10:50, J Sloan wrote:

charles buchanan wrote:

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On Sunday 04 February 2007 15:15, Doug McGarrett wrote:

I just ran the check.sh and this is what it said:

===================================================================== ATI Technologies ===================================================================== You are either not running this script from the console or simply do not have console ownership. Requirement failed. Unable to determine XFree86 Version. Stopping now.

Now, is console and terminal two different things?

I used the "bash check.sh" command.

To set up X11 drivers, you typically need for X11 to be not running.

Console in this case means glass CRT. Normally a console and a terminal window are functionally equivalent, but when it is required that X11 not be running, there is a major difference.

Joe

So basically, I need to run this ate the cli without KDE running? So I take it that you can almost guess my next question? :-) How do I keep KDE from starting up? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 06 February 2007 21:37, Jon Clausen wrote:

On Tue, 06 Feb, 2007 at 20:57:13 -0800, charles buchanan wrote:

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To set up X11 drivers, you typically need for X11 to be not running.

Console in this case means glass CRT. Normally a console and a terminal window are functionally equivalent, but when it is required that X11 not be running, there is a major difference.

Joe

So basically, I need to run this ate the cli without KDE running? So I take it that you can almost guess my next question? :-) How do I keep KDE from starting up?

At the boot prompt, enter

3

- tells the system to boot into runlevel 3; "Full multiuser but no graphics".

Alternatively, if you miss the boot screen, when the system is up and at the login screen;

<ctrl><alt><F1>

brings you terminal 1. Login as root and enter

init 3

- which takes the system 'down' from runlevel 5, to runlevel 3.

HTH /Jon -- YMMV

Thanks Jon. Sometimes I feel really low because sometimes I will ask a question without thinking farther, and when i hit the send button, off I go searching for one thing and end up finding the answer to my own question. :-O I have been going back and forth with init 3 and init 5 trying to figure this video driver situation out and I think I'm in a bit of a quandary. I found the ati How-to and was following along but it seems the driver I was trying to install conflicts with a driver that is installed. :-( It's a 32bit vs 64bit struggle I think. Anyway, it's past my bed time and I'll have to try and tackle this later on. Thanks! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 08:20 -0500, James Knott wrote:

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You can't run a program from the directory it's in. That seems to be a UNIX no-no. Back up one directory, and run the command with /directory/install...etc. I know it's goofy, but that's UNIX--and Linux. In this case, the "directory" is /username. You don't have to change to another directory. you just have to precede the name with "./".

Most here know this, but in case anyone does not, "." stands for "the current directory." So you are giving it the path without having to type it out entirely. Bryan -- *************************************** Powered by Fedora Linux 6 Gnome 2.16.0 Evolution 2.8.0 This is a Microsoft-free computer Bryan S. Tyson bryantyson@earthlink.net *************************************** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org