[opensuse] Dumb Online Update Question
Hello SuSE people, Running 10.3, KDE3 on a 64 bit system. I have always used Smart and Apt before that for many years. Lately Smart has been trying to download i586 packages to me. So I figured I would use Yast Online Update and give it a try. It did it's thing refreshing, caching, etc. etc. then dumped me into what looks like the Software Management screen. Can't figure out what to do from there. I see some packages are marked in red. Looks like they are the ones to be upgraded. Must I go through all of the different package groups, patches, etc and mark each one individualy for upgrade? Is there not some way to say OK, upgrade everything you found? Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 11 November 2008 13:03:42 Bob S wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
Running 10.3, KDE3 on a 64 bit system.
I have always used Smart and Apt before that for many years. Lately Smart has been trying to download i586 packages to me. So I figured I would use Yast Online Update and give it a try.
It did it's thing refreshing, caching, etc. etc. then dumped me into what looks like the Software Management screen. Can't figure out what to do from there. I see some packages are marked in red. Looks like they are the ones to be upgraded. Must I go through all of the different package groups, patches, etc and mark each one individualy for upgrade? Is there not some way to say OK, upgrade everything you found?
Bob S
Bob, Yast shows packages that have a newer version available in blue - packages in red mean that the version available in the repository is older than the version that you have installed (e.g. you may have installed it from a different repository than the one configured for online update to use. For someone unfamiliar with Yast it can be a little confusing at first because there are at least 3 ways that I know of to get package updates/upgrades via the gui (not counting running zypper directly or running the ncurses version of Yast...) 1. Use the online update app under Yast (which I virtually never use) 2. Use the Software Management Yast module, which is intended for installing/removing software but I find more convenient for updates as it gives more control. 3. Use the opensuseupdater-kde (or -gnome I presume) applet that runs in the system tray and checks at startup (and configurable intervals) and notifies you when updates (and optionally package upgrades) are available. Incidentally, the applet shows only "needed" updates (e.g. security updates) by default - everything else is an upgrade and these are only shown if you check the appropriate check box on the config screen. Hope this helps... -- =================================================== Rodney Baker VK5ZTV rodney.baker@iinet.net.au ===================================================
Bob S wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
Running 10.3, KDE3 on a 64 bit system.
I have always used Smart and Apt before that for many years. Lately Smart has been trying to download i586 packages to me. So I figured I would use Yast Online Update and give it a try.
It did it's thing refreshing, caching, etc. etc. then dumped me into what looks like the Software Management screen. Can't figure out what to do from there. I see some packages are marked in red. Looks like they are the ones to be upgraded. Must I go through all of the different package groups, patches, etc and mark each one individualy for upgrade?
No, in online update, just start it, let it do its thing and then just click "Accept" and yast takes care of all the rest for you. Yast package management is excellent. Use "software management" to add/remove or update "packages". "online update" provides "patches" when released. One extremely good aspect of software management is to update all applications from either a single repository or for your whole system. Dependency management is automatic. The only hiccups will be when you have installed a newer package from a 3rd party repo like packman that provides a dependency like xine-libs instead of libxine. You will get some weird proposed solutions. However, rest assured that those conflicts are relatively rare. I've only run across a handful in 5 years. Is there not some way to say
OK, upgrade everything you found?
Bob S
-- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
Running 10.3, KDE3 on a 64 bit system.
I have always used Smart and Apt before that for many years. Lately Smart has been trying to download i586 packages to me. So I figured I would use Yast Online Update and give it a try.
It did it's thing refreshing, caching, etc. etc. then dumped me into what looks like the Software Management screen. Can't figure out what to do from there. I see some packages are marked in red. Looks like they are the ones to be upgraded. Must I go through all of the different package groups, patches, etc and mark each one individualy for upgrade? Is there not some way to say OK, upgrade everything you found?
Sorry, I forgot the detail of "software management" updates. If you want to update all packages on your system to the latest version contained on the repositories you have added, then for 11.0: yast -> software management -> Package -> All Packages -> update if newer version available The available versions of packages are determined by the repositories you have added. Use webpin to find the repositories that hold the latest version of a specific package you are interested in and then add that repo and go through the update steps to pull in the latest version of the package. webpin is in the: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_11.0 repository See my note about rare, but possible, dependency conflicts in my first reply... -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 10 November 2008 21:16:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Sorry, I forgot the detail of "software management" updates. If you want to update all packages on your system to the latest version contained on the repositories you have added, then for 11.0:
yast -> software management -> Package -> All Packages -> update if newer version available
I didn't ask the original question, but I just wanted to add my thanks to you for mentioning this. I should have realized that this method is available, but didn't. Or if I did, I'd forgotten it. I've done a lot of updating by going down lists showing installed/available versions, and clicking packages individually. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Jerry Houston wrote:
On Monday 10 November 2008 21:16:04 David C. Rankin wrote:
Sorry, I forgot the detail of "software management" updates. If you want to update all packages on your system to the latest version contained on the repositories you have added, then for 11.0:
yast -> software management -> Package -> All Packages -> update if newer version available
I didn't ask the original question, but I just wanted to add my thanks to you for mentioning this. I should have realized that this method is available, but didn't. Or if I did, I'd forgotten it.
I've done a lot of updating by going down lists showing installed/available versions, and clicking packages individually.
Glad it was helpful. I may have my nits about KDE4, etc.., but package
management with both yast and zypper is a shining star on the openSuSE cap. You
can accomplish the same things with with zypper that you can with yast. Zypper
adds a few niceties that you can't get to in yast as well. It is worth the time
to do "zypper help" and then "zypper help [command]". You can pick up some
nuggets like:
11:55 nemesis~> zypper help ar
addrepo (ar) [options] <URI> <alias>
addrepo (ar) [options]
On Tuesday 11 November 2008 12:16:04 am David C. Rankin wrote:
Bob S wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
Running 10.3, KDE3 on a 64 bit system.
I have always used Smart and Apt before that for many years. Lately Smart has been trying to download i586 packages to me. So I figured I would use Yast Online Update and give it a try.
It did it's thing refreshing, caching, etc. etc. then dumped me into what looks like the Software Management screen. Can't figure out what to do from there. I see some packages are marked in red. Looks like they are the ones to be upgraded. Must I go through all of the different package groups, patches, etc and mark each one individualy for upgrade? Is there not some way to say OK, upgrade everything you found?
Sorry, I forgot the detail of "software management" updates. If you want to update all packages on your system to the latest version contained on the repositories you have added, then for 11.0:
yast -> software management -> Package -> All Packages -> update if newer version available
The available versions of packages are determined by the repositories you have added. Use webpin to find the repositories that hold the latest version of a specific package you are interested in and then add that repo and go through the update steps to pull in the latest version of the package.
webpin is in the:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_11.0
repository
See my note about rare, but possible, dependency conflicts in my first reply...
Hi David, Thanks for replying and especially how to navigate Yast for upgrades. Evidently I am having the same problem wiith Yast as I am with Smart. In trying to upgrade KDE3 it says I need 41 packages but I have 256 conflicts and wants to downgrade just about everything that conflicts with the newer package. Something wrong going on here. Have no idea what it is riight now. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
On Tuesday 11 November 2008 12:16:04 am David C. Rankin wrote:
Hello SuSE people,
Running 10.3, KDE3 on a 64 bit system.
I have always used Smart and Apt before that for many years. Lately Smart has been trying to download i586 packages to me. So I figured I would use Yast Online Update and give it a try.
It did it's thing refreshing, caching, etc. etc. then dumped me into what looks like the Software Management screen. Can't figure out what to do from there. I see some packages are marked in red. Looks like they are the ones to be upgraded. Must I go through all of the different package groups, patches, etc and mark each one individualy for upgrade? Is there not some way to say OK, upgrade everything you found? Sorry, I forgot the detail of "software management" updates. If you want to update all packages on your system to the latest version contained on
Bob S wrote: the repositories you have added, then for 11.0:
yast -> software management -> Package -> All Packages -> update if newer version available
The available versions of packages are determined by the repositories you have added. Use webpin to find the repositories that hold the latest version of a specific package you are interested in and then add that repo and go through the update steps to pull in the latest version of the package.
webpin is in the:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/openSUSE_11.0
repository
See my note about rare, but possible, dependency conflicts in my first reply...
Hi David,
Thanks for replying and especially how to navigate Yast for upgrades. Evidently I am having the same problem wiith Yast as I am with Smart. In trying to upgrade KDE3 it says I need 41 packages but I have 256 conflicts and wants to downgrade just about everything that conflicts with the newer package.
Something wrong going on here. Have no idea what it is riight now.
Bob S
Bob, Usually that means either (1) You don't have all the repositories added that you need in order to satisfy the dependencies or (2) you have loaded one of those strange packages that causes the anomaly. First, for KDE, you should be fine for the update with: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.0/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_11.0/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Backports/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Playground/ in addition to your normal http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.0/ For the second situation, look at what the dependency conflict is. A lot of times, the dependency problem will boil down to "install package xxxxx even though it will change the vendor". I have seen hundreds of dependency conflict generated this way. All that means is that an updated package is was packaged by someone else other than the packager of the current rpm. A change in vendor for an updated version of the package is OK. If that is the problem, then select the solution that installs what you need even though it will change the vendor. If it is one of the mplayer, libxine, xine-lib type problems, then the easiest way to get back to a solid config on whatever set of packages you are dealing with is do disable packman and any other repository holding conflicting packages and making sure you have the following enabled: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.0/ The upgrade/downgrade the packages back to the openSuSE version to establish a good baseline of supported rpms, then add back the other repositories and upgrade a few packages at a time until you identify what package/rpm was causing the dependency problem. Once I find the culprit, I usually just set my installed package (if I like the version) to "Protect -- Do Not Modify" in yast to make sure that the package will not be changed by the 3rd party repository on update in the future. If your still having problems with dependencies, you can save the conflict list to a text file and post the dependency problems here and we can help. IIRC, the option to save the list is under the "Advanced" button when you are presented with the resolver solutions in Yast. I completely update KDE3 relatively frequently without any problems. Currently I'm on 3.5.9 and I'm happy with it. I need to start a separate post on 3.5.10 to see if it is good to go. About a week ago someone was complaining about problems with it. So we will see. For your information, I have the following repositories added: # | Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh ---+-----------------------+----------------------------------------+---------+-------- 1 | openSUSE-11.0-Updates | Updates for 11.0 | Yes | Yes 2 | database | openSUSE BuildService - Database | Yes | Yes 3 | openoffice | openSUSE BuildService - OpenOffice.org | Yes | Yes 4 | subpixel repository | subpixel repository | Yes | Yes 5 | openSUSE-DVD 11.0 | openSUSE-DVD 11.0 | No | No 6 | packman | Packman Repository | Yes | Yes 7 | videolan | VideoLan Repository | Yes | Yes 8 | repo-debug | openSUSE-11.0-Debug | No | No 9 | x11 | openSUSE BuildService - X11:XGL | Yes | Yes 10 | gcctools | gcctools | Yes | Yes 11 | ati | ATI Repository | No | Yes 12 | gnome_comm | gnome_comm | Yes | Yes 13 | edu | edu | Yes | Yes 14 | multimedia-photo | multimedia-photo | Yes | Yes 15 | sugar | sugar | Yes | Yes 16 | games | openSUSE BuildService - Games | Yes | Yes 17 | qt44 | qt44 | Yes | Yes 18 | community | openSUSE BuildService - KDE:Community | Yes | Yes 19 | repo-non-oss | openSUSE-11.0-Non-Oss | Yes | No 20 | repo-oss | openSUSE-11.0-Oss | Yes | No 21 | cc++ | cc++ | Yes | Yes 22 | backports | openSUSE BuildService - KDE:Backports | Yes | Yes 23 | compiz | X11:Compiz | No | Yes Good luck, report back. -- David C. Rankin, J.D., P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:49:52 pm David C. Rankin wrote: ..............<delete earlier messages>........
Hi David,
Thanks for replying and especially how to navigate Yast for upgrades. Evidently I am having the same problem wiith Yast as I am with Smart. In trying to upgrade KDE3 it says I need 41 packages but I have 256 conflicts and wants to downgrade just about everything that conflicts with the newer package.
Something wrong going on here. Have no idea what it is riight now.
Bob S
Bob,
Usually that means either (1) You don't have all the repositories added that you need in order to satisfy the dependencies or (2) you have loaded one of those strange packages that causes the anomaly. First, for KDE, you should be fine for the update with:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.0/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_11.0/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Backports/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Playground/
in addition to your normal
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.0/
Hi again David. FYI Iam running 10.3 not 11. I did alter the repository versions as required. OK, I disabled all repositories escept for the ones you describe aabove. I had already disabled Packman previously
For the second situation, look at what the dependency conflict is. A lot of times, the dependency problem will boil down to "install package xxxxx even though it will change the vendor". I have seen hundreds of dependency conflict generated this way. All that means is that an updated package is was packaged by someone else other than the packager of the current rpm. A change in vendor for an updated version of the package is OK. If that is the problem, then select the solution that installs what you need even though it will change the vendor.
If it is one of the mplayer, libxine, xine-lib type problems, then the easiest way to get back to a solid config on whatever set of packages you are dealing with is do disable packman and any other repository holding conflicting packages and making sure you have the following enabled:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.0/
Only these are enabled
The upgrade/downgrade the packages back to the openSuSE version to establish a good baseline of supported rpms, then add back the other repositories and upgrade a few packages at a time until you identify what package/rpm was causing the dependency problem. Once I find the culprit, I usually just set my installed package (if I like the version) to "Protect -- Do Not Modify" in yast to make sure that the package will not be changed by the 3rd party repository on update in the future.
If your still having problems with dependencies, you can save the conflict list to a text file and post the dependency problems here and we can help. IIRC, the option to save the list is under the "Advanced" button when you are presented with the resolver solutions in Yast.
See the attached list below. Just don't understand why all of those packages must be downgraded or the newer ones not installed. Never had this kind of problem before and I do use Packman, especially for the crippled SuSE video packages.
I completely update KDE3 relatively frequently without any problems. Currently I'm on 3.5.9 and I'm happy with it. I need to start a separate post on 3.5.10 to see if it is good to go. About a week ago someone was complaining about problems with it. So we will see. For your information, I have the following repositories added:
....<deleted>.......
Bob S
Bob S wrote:
On Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:49:52 pm David C. Rankin wrote: ..............<delete earlier messages>........
Hi David,
Thanks for replying and especially how to navigate Yast for upgrades. Evidently I am having the same problem wiith Yast as I am with Smart. In trying to upgrade KDE3 it says I need 41 packages but I have 256 conflicts and wants to downgrade just about everything that conflicts with the newer package.
Something wrong going on here. Have no idea what it is riight now.
Bob S
Bob,
Usually that means either (1) You don't have all the repositories added that you need in order to satisfy the dependencies or (2) you have loaded one of those strange packages that causes the anomaly. First, for KDE, you should be fine for the update with:
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/KDE3/openSUSE_11.0/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Community/openSUSE_11.0/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Backports/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Playground/
in addition to your normal
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.0/
Hi again David.
FYI Iam running 10.3 not 11. I did alter the repository versions as required.
OK, I disabled all repositories escept for the ones you describe aabove. I had already disabled Packman previously
For the second situation, look at what the dependency conflict is. A lot of times, the dependency problem will boil down to "install package xxxxx even though it will change the vendor". I have seen hundreds of dependency conflict generated this way. All that means is that an updated package is was packaged by someone else other than the packager of the current rpm. A change in vendor for an updated version of the package is OK. If that is the problem, then select the solution that installs what you need even though it will change the vendor.
If it is one of the mplayer, libxine, xine-lib type problems, then the easiest way to get back to a solid config on whatever set of packages you are dealing with is do disable packman and any other repository holding conflicting packages and making sure you have the following enabled:
http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.0/repo/non-oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/update/11.0/
Only these are enabled
The upgrade/downgrade the packages back to the openSuSE version to establish a good baseline of supported rpms, then add back the other repositories and upgrade a few packages at a time until you identify what package/rpm was causing the dependency problem. Once I find the culprit, I usually just set my installed package (if I like the version) to "Protect -- Do Not Modify" in yast to make sure that the package will not be changed by the 3rd party repository on update in the future.
If your still having problems with dependencies, you can save the conflict list to a text file and post the dependency problems here and we can help. IIRC, the option to save the list is under the "Advanced" button when you are presented with the resolver solutions in Yast.
See the attached list below. Just don't understand why all of those packages must be downgraded or the newer ones not installed. Never had this kind of problem before and I do use Packman, especially for the crippled SuSE video packages.
I completely update KDE3 relatively frequently without any problems. Currently I'm on 3.5.9 and I'm happy with it. I need to start a separate post on 3.5.10 to see if it is good to go. About a week ago someone was complaining about problems with it. So we will see. For your information, I have the following repositories added:
....<deleted>.......
Bob S
I just scrolled through your conflicts list and picked out "kdebase3-runtime-3.5.10-24.4.x86_64 requires libldap-2.3.so.0()(64bit)" .. I then searched with http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ ,which is a very useful tool in this case, for libldap-2.3.so.0 under opensuse 10.3 and found it in package openldap2-client-64bit (2.3.37) http://packages.opensuse-community.org/packageinfo.jsp?checksum=f9c2ac5b1e9079f66814ab4c67a4d51b1e3e9748&distro=openSUSE_103 so this is the package you want for 10.3. Next I looked for openldap2-client under 11.0 and discovered that version 2.4.9 is in 11.0 and matches the line "downgrade of openldap2-client-2.4.9-7.1.x86_64 to openldap2-client-2.3.37-20.8.x86_64" From this I conclude that you have at some stage done a one click install of something maybe and no longer have the repository. The package kdebase3-runtime-3.5.10-24.4.x86_64 is only listed as being present in 11.0, 10.3 only has 32 bit versions, try searching for kdebase3-runtime under 11.0 and 10.3 and you will see what I mean. This line further down in your conflict gives a clue "OpenOffice_org-2.4.0.14-1.1.x86_64 requires libldap-2.4.so.2()(64bit), but this requirement cannot be provided". So it seems thats where the problem is. OpenOffice 2.4 is the 11.0 version and 2.3 is the 10.3 version. Whichever repository you got version 2.4 from needs to be enabled. Excuse me if you have already done this but can you post the output of zypper lr . Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 13 November 2008 01:59:58 am Dave Plater wrote:
Bob S wrote:
On Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:49:52 pm David C. Rankin wrote: ..............<delete earlier messages>........
See the attached list below. Just don't understand why all of those packages must be downgraded or the newer ones not installed. Never had this kind of problem before and I do use Packman, especially for the crippled SuSE video packages.
I completely update KDE3 relatively frequently without any problems. Currently I'm on 3.5.9 and I'm happy with it. I need to start a separate post on 3.5.10 to see if it is good to go. About a week ago someone was complaining about problems with it. So we will see. For your information, I have the following repositories added:
....<deleted>.......
Bob S
I just scrolled through your conflicts list and picked out "kdebase3-runtime-3.5.10-24.4.x86_64 requires libldap-2.3.so.0()(64bit)" .. I then searched with http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ ,which is a very useful tool in this case, for libldap-2.3.so.0 under opensuse 10.3 and found it in package openldap2-client-64bit (2.3.37) <http://packages.opensuse-community.org/packageinfo.jsp?checksum=f9c2ac5b1e 9079f66814ab4c67a4d51b1e3e9748&distro=openSUSE_103> so this is the package you want for 10.3. Next I looked for openldap2-client under 11.0 and discovered that version 2.4.9 is in 11.0 and matches the line "downgrade of openldap2-client-2.4.9-7.1.x86_64 to openldap2-client-2.3.37-20.8.x86_64" From this I conclude that you have at some stage done a one click install of something maybe and no longer have the repository. The package kdebase3-runtime-3.5.10-24.4.x86_64 is only listed as being present in 11.0, 10.3 only has 32 bit versions, try searching for kdebase3-runtime under 11.0 and 10.3 and you will see what I mean. This line further down in your conflict gives a clue "OpenOffice_org-2.4.0.14-1.1.x86_64 requires libldap-2.4.so.2()(64bit), but this requirement cannot be provided". So it seems thats where the problem is. OpenOffice 2.4 is the 11.0 version and 2.3 is the 10.3 version. Whichever repository you got version 2.4 from needs to be enabled. Excuse me if you have already done this but can you post the output of zypper lr .
Thanks for replying Dave, and your analysis of the conflict list. So, are you saying I have a mixture of 10.3 and 11.0 packages installed? And the solution is to enable the 11.0 repositories? Or is the solution to let everything be downgraded to get back to a pure 10.3 system? Here is the output of zypper lr: bob@Easystreet:~> zypper lr # | Alias | Name | Enabled | Refresh ---+---------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------------+---------+-------- 1 | openSUSE_10.3 | KDE3 Backports | Yes | Yes 2 | KDE3 | KDE3 | Yes | Yes 3 | openSUSE-10.3-DVD_10.3_1 | openSUSE-10.3-DVD 10.3 | No | No 4 | openSUSE-10.3-Non-Oss | openSUSE-10.3-Non-Oss | Yes | Yes 5 | openSUSE-10.3-DVD 10.3 | openSUSE-10.3-DVD 10.3 | No | No 6 | Nvidia | Nvidia | No | Yes 7 | openSUSE_BuildService_-_Mozilla | openSUSE BuildService - Mozilla | No | Yes 8 | Updates_for_10.3 | Updates for 10.3 | Yes | Yes 9 | KDE3_Community | KDE3 Community | Yes | Yes 10 | openSUSE_BuildService_-_Games | openSUSE BuildService - Games | No | Yes 11 | smart | The Smart Package Manager project (openSUSE_10.3) | No | Yes 12 | Update_10.3 | Update 10.3 | Yes | Yes 13 | VideoLan_Repository | VideoLan Repository | No | Yes 14 | KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop | KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Desktop | No | No 15 | openSUSE-10.3-Debug | openSUSE-10.3-Debug | No | Yes 16 | NVIDIA_Repository | NVIDIA Repository | No | Yes 17 | Packman_Repository | Packman Repository | No | Yes 18 | openSUSE_BuildService_-_Database | openSUSE BuildService - Database | No | Yes 19 | openSUSE_BuildService_-_KDE:Community | openSUSE BuildService - KDE:Community | No | Yes 20 | openSUSE-10.3-Oss | openSUSE-10.3-Oss | Yes | Yes 21 | KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Extra-Apps | KDE:KDE4:STABLE:Extra-Apps | No | No 22 | openSUSE_BuildService_-_X11:XGL | openSUSE BuildService - X11:XGL | No | Yes bob@Easystreet:~> Sorry about the line wrap. I did do a "one click" install of KDE4 but did not like it and uninstalled it. I also disabled / deleted the repository. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
On Thursday 13 November 2008 01:59:58 am Dave Plater wrote:
Bob S wrote:
On Tuesday 11 November 2008 11:49:52 pm David C. Rankin wrote: ..............<delete earlier messages>........
See the attached list below. Just don't understand why all of those packages must be downgraded or the newer ones not installed. Never had this kind of problem before and I do use Packman, especially for the crippled SuSE video packages.
I completely update KDE3 relatively frequently without any problems. Currently I'm on 3.5.9 and I'm happy with it. I need to start a separate post on 3.5.10 to see if it is good to go. About a week ago someone was complaining about problems with it. So we will see. For your information, I have the following repositories added:
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Bob S
I just scrolled through your conflicts list and picked out "kdebase3-runtime-3.5.10-24.4.x86_64 requires libldap-2.3.so.0()(64bit)" .. I then searched with http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ ,which is a very useful tool in this case, for libldap-2.3.so.0 under opensuse 10.3 and found it in package openldap2-client-64bit (2.3.37) <http://packages.opensuse-community.org/packageinfo.jsp?checksum=f9c2ac5b1e 9079f66814ab4c67a4d51b1e3e9748&distro=openSUSE_103> so this is the package you want for 10.3. Next I looked for openldap2-client under 11.0 and discovered that version 2.4.9 is in 11.0 and matches the line "downgrade of openldap2-client-2.4.9-7.1.x86_64 to openldap2-client-2.3.37-20.8.x86_64" From this I conclude that you have at some stage done a one click install of something maybe and no longer have the repository. The package kdebase3-runtime-3.5.10-24.4.x86_64 is only listed as being present in 11.0, 10.3 only has 32 bit versions, try searching for kdebase3-runtime under 11.0 and 10.3 and you will see what I mean. This line further down in your conflict gives a clue "OpenOffice_org-2.4.0.14-1.1.x86_64 requires libldap-2.4.so.2()(64bit), but this requirement cannot be provided". So it seems thats where the problem is. OpenOffice 2.4 is the 11.0 version and 2.3 is the 10.3 version. Whichever repository you got version 2.4 from needs to be enabled. Excuse me if you have already done this but can you post the output of zypper lr .
Thanks for replying Dave, and your analysis of the conflict list.
So, are you saying I have a mixture of 10.3 and 11.0 packages installed? And the solution is to enable the 11.0 repositories? Or is the solution to let everything be downgraded to get back to a pure 10.3 system?
Bob S
Well you must have got office 2.4 from somewhere as well, maybe as part of the one click install? There does seem to be 10.3 versions packages available for openladap-client-2.4 and other missing libraries, so if you're feeling adventurous you can hunt the missing library packages down using http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ and try installing them via one click, making sure that you keep the repositories they came from enabled but if you start to get a lot more conflicts stop. It may even be better to simply upgrade to 11.0 as openoffice packages are amongst the largest ones on the system. Don't enable the 11.0 repos if you want to stay on 10.3, the safest move is to only have your original 10.3 repos and packman or videolan if you have used them from the begining and simply follow yast's advice. The rule is :- if you installed something from a certain repository then keep that repository enabled and if you uninstall something from a build service repo that was installed via one click then make sure that repository is disabled when you uninstall to ensure your system goes back to where it was. Remember the rule, if you have a package installed from a particular repo then make sure that repo is enabled otherwise you may lose dvd, audio and video functions. I would also advise enabling the dvd repository if you decide to follow yast's suggestions. My suggestion would be remove your build service and community repositories, enable 11.0 repos including packman and videolan (edit your old ones and simply change 10.3 to 11.0), download an 11.0 dvd and upgrade to 11.0. I see only 11.0 kde 3.5.10 packages available and not 10.3. Warning once again "Do not enable 11.0 repositories if you do not want to upgrade" and if you wish to try to install missing dependencies then go through the list one by one, search for the 10.3 version via http://packages.opensuse-community.org/ and add the repository it comes from, then try yast again. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2008-11-13 at 22:28 -0500, Bob S wrote:
So, are you saying I have a mixture of 10.3 and 11.0 packages installed? And the solution is to enable the 11.0 repositories? Or is the solution to let everything be downgraded to get back to a pure 10.3 system?
I would revert to pure 10.3, with 10.3 auxiliary repos added. To upgrade to 11.0 I would use the DVD. My opinion, of course :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkdbXsACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UX9ACgmV/WSA74Shlgehl2gHEjug6j qYsAnjqELAouEs8XaTxlf3rJubyg3kGa =s3x2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Thursday, 2008-11-13 at 22:28 -0500, Bob S wrote:
So, are you saying I have a mixture of 10.3 and 11.0 packages installed? And the solution is to enable the 11.0 repositories? Or is the solution to let everything be downgraded to get back to a pure 10.3 system?
I would revert to pure 10.3, with 10.3 auxiliary repos added. To upgrade to 11.0 I would use the DVD.
My opinion, of course :-)
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Seconded.. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 14 November 2008 07:22:17 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Thursday, 2008-11-13 at 22:28 -0500, Bob S wrote:
So, are you saying I have a mixture of 10.3 and 11.0 packages installed? And the solution is to enable the 11.0 repositories? Or is the solution to let everything be downgraded to get back to a pure 10.3 system?
I would revert to pure 10.3, with 10.3 auxiliary repos added. To upgrade to 11.0 I would use the DVD.
My opinion, of course :-)
Hi Carlos, Your opinions are usually right. I think I will try to revert to a pure 10.3. I already have the 11.0 DVD and installed it on another partition with KDE4. I was so dissapointed it just sits there doing nothing. Don't use it. My 10.3 does everything I need with KDE3.5. I will try 11.1 when it comes out and blow away 11.0 Keep your fingers crossed for me. Bob S. PS to Dave Plater. Good advice. Will carefully keep it in mind. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 14 November 2008 09:41:56 pm Bob S wrote:
On Friday 14 November 2008 07:22:17 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
system?
I would revert to pure 10.3, with 10.3 auxiliary repos added. To upgrade to 11.0 I would use the DVD.
My opinion, of course :-)
Hi Carlos,
Your opinions are usually right. I think I will try to revert to a pure 10.3. I already have the 11.0 DVD and installed it on another partition with KDE4. I was so dissapointed it just sits there doing nothing. Don't use it. My 10.3 does everything I need with KDE3.5. I will try 11.1 when it comes out and blow away 11.0
Keep your fingers crossed for me.
Bob S.
So far so good. An awful lot of stuff got downgraded or not installed. One psarticularly annoying thing was the attempt to make an architectural change to OO to i586. Question is that when I upgrade using "Software Management > Packages > All Packages > Upgrade if newer pacages exist" is that I don't see any patches being downloaded. Do I have to do that separately? Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
On Friday 14 November 2008 09:41:56 pm Bob S wrote:
On Friday 14 November 2008 07:22:17 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
system?
I would revert to pure 10.3, with 10.3 auxiliary repos added. To upgrade to 11.0 I would use the DVD.
My opinion, of course :-)
Hi Carlos,
Your opinions are usually right. I think I will try to revert to a pure 10.3. I already have the 11.0 DVD and installed it on another partition with KDE4. I was so dissapointed it just sits there doing nothing. Don't use it. My 10.3 does everything I need with KDE3.5. I will try 11.1 when it comes out and blow away 11.0
Keep your fingers crossed for me.
Bob S.
So far so good. An awful lot of stuff got downgraded or not installed. One psarticularly annoying thing was the attempt to make an architectural change to OO to i586.
Question is that when I upgrade using "Software Management > Packages > All Packages > Upgrade if newer pacages exist" is that I don't see any patches being downloaded. Do I have to do that separately?
Bob S
To get updates and patches you need to use online update not software management. You should try 11.0 with kde 3. Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2008-11-14 at 23:29 -0500, Bob S wrote:
So far so good. An awful lot of stuff got downgraded or not installed. One psarticularly annoying thing was the attempt to make an architectural change to OO to i586.
Question is that when I upgrade using "Software Management > Packages > All Packages > Upgrade if newer pacages exist" is that I don't see any patches being downloaded. Do I have to do that separately?
(patches are downloaded by the update module) It simply means there are no newer versions in the repos you configured. You can double check manually. You can also filter by repository, display all packages of the repo, and then right click and select upgrade if newer. And see visually the versions available. Or, when any package you are interested in upgrading is selected, click on the versions tab, and see the various versions available, and click on any particular one you want. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkehc4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WIrQCaA80LXX7tib1dokrfQRPaFcoy UMkAnRzQEAo0CLAUVAFmao4boK71gBQi =4t1P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:18:21 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2008-11-14 at 23:29 -0500, Bob S wrote:
So far so good. An awful lot of stuff got downgraded or not installed. One psarticularly annoying thing was the attempt to make an architectural change to OO to i586.
Question is that when I upgrade using "Software Management > Packages > All Packages > Upgrade if newer pacages exist" is that I don't see any patches being downloaded. Do I have to do that separately?
(patches are downloaded by the update module)
It simply means there are no newer versions in the repos you configured. You can double check manually.
You can also filter by repository, display all packages of the repo, and then right click and select upgrade if newer. And see visually the versions available.
Hi Carlos. Yes, I guess I didn't make myself very clear. The question was when you do the upgrade all if newer, does it include all of the patches.
Or, when any package you are interested in upgrading is selected, click on the versions tab, and see the various versions available, and click on any particular one you want.
-- Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:18:21 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2008-11-14 at 23:29 -0500, Bob S wrote:
So far so good. An awful lot of stuff got downgraded or not installed. One psarticularly annoying thing was the attempt to make an architectural change to OO to i586.
Question is that when I upgrade using "Software Management > Packages > All Packages > Upgrade if newer pacages exist" is that I don't see any patches being downloaded. Do I have to do that separately? (patches are downloaded by the update module)
It simply means there are no newer versions in the repos you configured. You can double check manually.
You can also filter by repository, display all packages of the repo, and then right click and select upgrade if newer. And see visually the versions available.
Hi Carlos. Yes, I guess I didn't make myself very clear. The question was when you do the upgrade all if newer, does it include all of the patches.
Or, when any package you are interested in upgrading is selected, click on the versions tab, and see the various versions available, and click on any particular one you want.
-- Bob S
Bob, I do upgrade all about once a month. BUT, when I upgrade, I know what repositories I have installed and I know what packages will be updated. If I have a question about whether a repository "might" cause a problem, I disable it before performing the update. You can look at my repo list at: http://www.3111skyline.com/download/openSUSE_10.3/repodata/snv_zypper.repo Aside from packman, there are no conflicting repositories and I know how to handle the resolver cases there. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2008-11-15 at 23:23 -0500, Bob S wrote:
Hi Carlos. Yes, I guess I didn't make myself very clear. The question was when you do the upgrade all if newer, does it include all of the patches.
Ah. Yes, it does. If there is a newer version (patch, delta, full) in the update repo, it is downloaded or applied, instead of downloaded the plain old archive. Whether it chooses the delta, the patch, or the full archive, that's up to YaST to decide, but I assume it does what is faster :-) Mmmm... maybe an option to give preference to the smaller download would be nice, for those with metered connections. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkgRNcACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VQKgCfU5VhJjARbWVVqzUOkh84sMPH p0sAoJdP+8cMBf72fm8fMe7ExE0JkIoj =rA+n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 2008-11-14 at 21:41 -0500, Bob S wrote:
I would revert to pure 10.3, with 10.3 auxiliary repos added. To upgrade to 11.0 I would use the DVD.
My opinion, of course :-)
Hi Carlos,
Your opinions are usually right. I think I will try to revert to a pure 10.3. I already have the 11.0 DVD and installed it on another partition with KDE4. I was so dissapointed it just sits there doing nothing. Don't use it. My 10.3 does everything I need with KDE3.5. I will try 11.1 when it comes out and blow away 11.0
Why don't you like it? 11.0 with kde 3 is very good. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkehLQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VAcwCfcey+GXsv6Wy0ZMLCjuVBiTaz zKgAn0c1/OIFBNkwPKUwKvF8k/ktbYxc =OgvD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:13:30 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2008-11-14 at 21:41 -0500, Bob S wrote:
I would revert to pure 10.3, with 10.3 auxiliary repos added. To upgrade to 11.0 I would use the DVD.
My opinion, of course :-)
Hi Carlos,
Your opinions are usually right. I think I will try to revert to a pure 10.3. I already have the 11.0 DVD and installed it on another partition with KDE4. I was so dissapointed it just sits there doing nothing. Don't use it. My 10.3 does everything I need with KDE3.5. I will try 11.1 when it comes out and blow away 11.0
Why don't you like it? 11.0 with kde 3 is very good.
I installed 11.0 just to see how KDE4 was. I am happy with my 10.3 and KDE3. KDE4 was what I didn't like. I'll try again with 11.1 and KDE4 although I have a feeling that I will be sticking with my 10.3 and KDE3. I sincerely hope that SuSE will continue to support a full version of KDE3 until they get KDE4 right. Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
Bob S wrote:
On Saturday 15 November 2008 03:13:30 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Friday, 2008-11-14 at 21:41 -0500, Bob S wrote:
I would revert to pure 10.3, with 10.3 auxiliary repos added. To upgrade to 11.0 I would use the DVD.
My opinion, of course :-) Hi Carlos,
Your opinions are usually right. I think I will try to revert to a pure 10.3. I already have the 11.0 DVD and installed it on another partition with KDE4. I was so dissapointed it just sits there doing nothing. Don't use it. My 10.3 does everything I need with KDE3.5. I will try 11.1 when it comes out and blow away 11.0 Why don't you like it? 11.0 with kde 3 is very good.
I installed 11.0 just to see how KDE4 was. I am happy with my 10.3 and KDE3. KDE4 was what I didn't like. I'll try again with 11.1 and KDE4 although I have a feeling that I will be sticking with my 10.3 and KDE3. I sincerely hope that SuSE will continue to support a full version of KDE3 until they get KDE4 right.
Bob S
Bob, I like 11.0 with KDE 3.5.10 better than I like 10.3 with KDE 3.5.10! Why, zypper & yast repository refresh is 10 times faster on 11.0 than on 10.3. I can't wait to see KDE 3.5 on 11.1! Although in fairness, KDE4 on 11.1B5 is quite usable. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. | Rankin Law Firm, PLLC | Countdown for openSuSE 11.1 510 Ochiltree Street | http://counter.opensuse.org/11.1/small Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 | Telephone: (936) 715-9333 | openSoftware und SystemEntwicklung Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 | http://www.opensuse.org/ www.rankinlawfirm.com | -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2008-11-15 at 23:33 -0500, Bob S wrote:
10.3. I already have the 11.0 DVD and installed it on another partition with KDE4. I was so dissapointed it just sits there doing nothing. Don't use it. My 10.3 does everything I need with KDE3.5. I will try 11.1 when it comes out and blow away 11.0
Why don't you like it? 11.0 with kde 3 is very good.
I installed 11.0 just to see how KDE4 was. I am happy with my 10.3 and KDE3. KDE4 was what I didn't like. I'll try again with 11.1 and KDE4 although I have a feeling that I will be sticking with my 10.3 and KDE3. I sincerely hope that SuSE will continue to support a full version of KDE3 until they get KDE4 right.
Yes, I also don't like kde 4, but you can use kde 3 in 11.0, and 11.0 has some interesting advantages, specially in package management. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkgRU4ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VNLwCfZukpC0q9nmIBD6JB0qhTLsfX mrEAnjsaYtqI/AwWnePmrfJun+EDKzUN =0Wdp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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On Saturday, 2008-11-15 at 23:33 -0500, Bob S wrote:
I installed 11.0 just to see how KDE4 was. I am happy with my 10.3 and KDE3. KDE4 was what I didn't like. I'll try again with 11.1 and KDE4 although I have a feeling that I will be sticking with my 10.3 and KDE3. I sincerely hope that SuSE will continue to support a full version of KDE3 until they get KDE4 right.
Yes, I also don't like kde 4, but you can use kde 3 in 11.0, and 11.0 has some interesting advantages, specially in package management.
And his additude/understanding relates directly to the vehminent accusations by four or five list participants about the status of KDE4 and the mind-set of its programmers. The differences between KDE3 and KDE4 are similar to changing word processor/text editors, wordstar/wordperfect/ms-junk, and having to learn new key sequences, or a different email client :^) I learned wordstar keystrokes on cp/m and prefer anything that resembles them now as I don't have to learn something *completely* different. KDE4 is the future and the nay-sayers may as well contribute by using it, unless it will not provide the necessary functions they *require*, and contribute bug-reports to gain uses and actions they desire. David Rankin has chosen this path as have a few others but there are several *loud* spoken individuals, especially Fred Miller, who's attitudes and approach are only causing turmoil and descension. Bob S wants to do things but has little understanding and appears to be very impressionable and I feel that it is this group of individuals who hear the nay-sayers comments and blindly follow, causing great delay the development of linux. You have seen the same applied to gnome. I read your admonishment of David Rankin in the factory list :^). </rant> I feel better now, thanks for listening... -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org
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Bob S
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Carlos E. R.
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Dave Plater
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David C. Rankin
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Jerry Houston
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Patrick Shanahan
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Rodney Baker