On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 13:05 +0000, JP Rosevear wrote:

On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 16:50 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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I've noticed that the scanning in Knetworkmanager in OpenSUSE 11.0 doesn't work very well. Right now, as I sit at my desk, it only shows 4 networks and doesn't even show mine. On the other hand, my N800 shows 8 networks, including mine. I think this part should go back to the way it worked in 10.3, as that worked well.

You need to run iwlist for comparison to see if its NetworkManager or the driver messing up.

I've been following this thread, and I get one network showing in KNetWorkManager (11.0 on KDE3.5), my own, but iwlist shows the normal five (4 other plus my own). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 18:20:50 schrieb James Knott:

Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 13:05 +0000, JP Rosevear wrote:

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On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 16:50 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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I've noticed that the scanning in Knetworkmanager in OpenSUSE 11.0 doesn't work very well. Right now, as I sit at my desk, it only shows 4 networks and doesn't even show mine. On the other hand, my N800 shows 8 networks, including mine. I think this part should go back to the way it worked in 10.3, as that worked well.

You need to run iwlist for comparison to see if its NetworkManager or the driver messing up.

I've been following this thread, and I get one network showing in KNetWorkManager (11.0 on KDE3.5), my own, but iwlist shows the normal five (4 other plus my own).

Right now, iwlist shows the same as Knetworkmanager, except it's not showing my own network. I've tried it a few times and iwlist usually shows more than Knetworkmanager.

I wonder if the Knetworkmanager from 10.3 will work with 11? If so, I may switch back.

No, it won't as 11.0 ships with NetworkManager 0.7 which is completely incompatible with NetworkManager 0.6.x and therefore with the KNM shipped with 10.3. Helmut -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ted Markowitz wrote:

Mike McMullin said the following on 07/03/2008 12:08 PM:

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On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 13:05 +0000, JP Rosevear wrote:

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On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 16:50 -0400, James Knott wrote:

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I've noticed that the scanning in Knetworkmanager in OpenSUSE 11.0 doesn't work very well. Right now, as I sit at my desk, it only shows 4 networks and doesn't even show mine. On the other hand, my N800 shows 8 networks, including mine. I think this part should go back to the way it worked in 10.3, as that worked well.

You need to run iwlist for comparison to see if its NetworkManager or the driver messing up.

I've been following this thread, and I get one network showing in KNetWorkManager (11.0 on KDE3.5), my own, but iwlist shows the normal five (4 other plus my own).

My experience with the new KNetworkManager in 11.0 has been up and down as well. No nearby hotspots appear by default when the applet is clicked on initially. However, if you do "New connection..." > "wlan0", then they in fact are all there, but they then need to be configured manually. Apparently to have them appear as they did in the prior version (that is the signal strength monitor for each wlan0 connection is shown when you click on the applet in the panel) you need to actually configure a new wlan0 connection in KNetworkManager for each of the ones you want to have shown. Then it looks and works more-or-less like it used to. Also, the connection information (IP address, broadcast address, bytes transferred, etc.) seems to have disappeared; at least I can't see any command in the applet to show it. I've tried right-clicking on it, but that doesn't seem to make any difference and there's no extra info when you hover over the applet either. That was very useful information to have to show how your network was actually configured. Not that you can't see it all with ifconfig or iwlist I suppose, but still...

Not sure why the interface was changed. Personally I found the old one more intuitive and useful, but who am I to stand in the way of progress? ;-)

//ted

I agree. The old version was better in many ways. Also, while you can see available networks when adding a connection, it doesn't always show all of them. I'm considering going back to the KNM from 10.3 as the new version doesn't bring much new, but loses a lot. About the only improvement I can see, is the ability to configure multiple ethernet connections. That's a feature I could really use on my work computer, which unfortunately runs XP, as I'm always having to configure a static IP address, when I configure equipment. Changing addresses on Windows is a real pain, compared to how easy it is in Linux, even without Knetworkmanager. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Helmut Schaa wrote:

Am Donnerstag, 3. Juli 2008 18:23:11 schrieb Ted Markowitz:

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On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 13:05 +0000, JP Rosevear wrote:

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I've noticed that the scanning in Knetworkmanager in OpenSUSE 11.0 doesn't work very well. Right now, as I sit at my desk, it only shows 4 networks and doesn't even show mine. On the other hand, my N800 shows 8 networks, including mine. I think this part should go back to the way it worked in 10.3, as that worked well. You need to run iwlist for comparison to see if its NetworkManager or

On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 16:50 -0400, James Knott wrote: the driver messing up. I've been following this thread, and I get one network showing in KNetWorkManager (11.0 on KDE3.5), my own, but iwlist shows the normal five (4 other plus my own). My experience with the new KNetworkManager in 11.0 has been up and down as well. No nearby hotspots appear by default when the applet is clicked on initially. However, if you do "New connection..." > "wlan0", then

Mike McMullin said the following on 07/03/2008 12:08 PM: they in fact are all there, but they then need to be configured manually. Apparently to have them appear as they did in the prior version (that is the signal strength monitor for each wlan0 connection is shown when you click on the applet in the panel) you need to actually configure a new wlan0 connection in KNetworkManager for each of the ones you want to have shown. Then it looks and works more-or-less like it used to. Also, the connection information (IP address, broadcast address, bytes transferred, etc.) seems to have disappeared; at least I can't see any command in the applet to show it. I've tried right-clicking on it, but that doesn't seem to make any difference and there's no extra info when you hover over the applet either. That was very useful information to have to show how your network was actually configured. Not that you can't see it all with ifconfig or iwlist I suppose, but still...

Please refer to [1] if you want to know why we decided to not show all available networks in the context menu.

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Not sure why the interface was changed. Personally I found the old one more intuitive and useful, but who am I to stand in the way of progress? ;-)

//ted

Helmut

[1] https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=397332

I have read that link and still think it's broken. Right now, I'm in my office and connected to our WiFi. I know there are 9 or 10 other access points in this building, but I can't see any other than ours in that "New Connection". If I wanted to change to another connection, how can I do it, if I don't know the name? As to having 20 access points available, in Windows, you can scroll through the list. Why can't that be done here. I can see what's available, by using iwlist (which also requires using grep ESSID to get a plain list), but why can't knetworkmanager do it? That is a fundamental function that is missing. It should show *ALL* available networks, when you want to see them. It should not be necessary to go to a command line and run iwlist, which is impossible for someone to do, if they don't have root priviledges to run it. -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* James Knott [07-08-08 13:07]:

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It should not be necessary to go to a command line and run iwlist, which is impossible for someone to do, if they don't have root priviledges to run it.

since when?? -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22128 2006-04-22 22:26 /usr/sbin/iwlist

it's owned by root, but freely available for anyone to run unless you have changed the privileges.

Sorry, my mistake. I was thinking of something else that, while it can be run by a mere mortal, won't give access to the hardware, unless root. Still, why should it be necessary to run a command to do something that should be available in Knetworkmanager? -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 13:15 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* James Knott [07-08-08 13:07]:

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It should not be necessary to go to a command line and run iwlist, which is impossible for someone to do, if they don't have root priviledges to run it.

since when?? -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22128 2006-04-22 22:26 /usr/sbin/iwlist

it's owned by root, but freely available for anyone to run unless you have changed the privileges.

I had to go to root on my 11.0 install in order to use iwlist. I'll check the permissions next time I'm on the laptop. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott wrote: [snip]

I have read that link and still think it's broken. Right now, I'm in my office and connected to our WiFi. I know there are 9 or 10 other access points in this building, but I can't see any other than ours in that "New Connection". If I wanted to change to another connection, how can I do it, if I don't know the name? As to having 20 access points available, in Windows, you can scroll through the list. Why can't that be done here. I can see what's available, by using iwlist (which also requires using grep ESSID to get a plain list), but why can't knetworkmanager do it? That is a fundamental function that is missing. It should show *ALL* available networks, when you want to see them. It should not be necessary to go to a command line and run iwlist, which is impossible for someone to do, if they don't have root priviledges to run it.

I had the opportunity to really test this yesterday in a location where I know there are 12 strong signals. I could only see 1 that I had knetworkmanager preconfigured for. So yes, this IS broken.....it worked in 10.3. Fred -- This message originated from a Linux computer using Open Source software: openSuSE Linux 11.0 No Gates, no Windows....just Linux - STABLE & SECURE! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Am Dienstag, 8. Juli 2008 19:06:01 schrieb James Knott:

I have read that link and still think it's broken. Right now, I'm in my office and connected to our WiFi. I know there are 9 or 10 other access points in this building, but I can't see any other than ours in that "New Connection".

There you should see every AP in range. That's a bug then. I was only referring to the context menu. Helmut -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org