[opensuse] Is there a version of KMail available for Win XP?

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Doug McGarrett

29 Feb 2008 29 Feb '08

02:04

The title says it all. Since I'm used to KMail, I'd like to have it on the Wind machine also. --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Patrick Shanahan

29 Feb 29 Feb

02:59

* Doug McGarrett [02-28-08 21:07]:

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The title says it all. Since I'm used to KMail, I'd like to have it on the Wind machine also.

You are joking, right? If not, why don't you go to kde.org and see? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Hudibras

09:47

El jue, 28-02-2008 a las 21:59 -0500, Patrick Shanahan escribió:

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* Doug McGarrett [02-28-08 21:07]:

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The title says it all. Since I'm used to KMail, I'd like to have it on the Wind machine also.

You are joking, right?

If not, why don't you go to kde.org and see? There is a kde for windows, recently issued. So kmail would also be available, I suppose...

Cheers, AOP.

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tabris

03:09

New subject: [opensuse] Is there a version of KMail available for Win XP? [resend]

Doug McGarrett wrote:

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The title says it all. Since I'm used to KMail, I'd like to have it on the Wind machine also. As far as I know, not yet. I'm told that by July (with the release of KDE 4.1) it will be available.

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

03:11

Doug McGarrett wrote:

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The title says it all. Since I'm used to KMail, I'd like to have it on the Wind machine also.

When did you think KDE was ported to Lose-DOS? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

03:25

On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philip Dowie

03:29

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

03:32

Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

04:34

On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:32, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Wrong. Henne determines the standards that apply to this forum. If you cannot abide that, too bad. The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive. Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

04:39

Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:32, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"? If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Wrong. Henne determines the standards that apply to this forum. If you cannot abide that, too bad.

It's a company list for customers, not "Henne's closest friends"

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The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive.

I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago. Since then, he has picked the most idiotic things to use as EXCUSES to ban me. The most recent for giving some guy advice to pay attention to his marriage. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

12:44

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:32, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"? If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Wrong. Henne determines the standards that apply to this forum. If you cannot abide that, too bad.

It's a company list for customers, not "Henne's closest friends"

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The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive.

I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

Since then, he has picked the most idiotic things to use as EXCUSES to ban me. The most recent for giving some guy advice to pay attention to his marriage.

You're more mental and more delusioned than I, and probably others, gave you credit for. This forum deals mainly with technical questions about openSUSE and related linux matters. In all the years I have been participating in this forum nobody has ever raised a question about a problem in his or her marriage and how to go about solving such a problem. Noone asked for any advice about his marriage. It was simply that some jerk decided that a person needed some crude, unsolicited and unwarranted, advice in answer to a technical question. I think you could probably deduce who that jerk is - but I'll give you a month to come up with the answer as we don't need a quick answer because we already know what it is. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

12:59

Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:32, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"? If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Wrong. Henne determines the standards that apply to this forum. If you cannot abide that, too bad.

It's a company list for customers, not "Henne's closest friends"

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The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive.

I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

Since then, he has picked the most idiotic things to use as EXCUSES to ban me. The most recent for giving some guy advice to pay attention to his marriage.

You're more mental and more delusioned than I, and probably others, gave you credit for.

Your dim level of awareness does not constitute an absence of activity.

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This forum deals mainly with technical questions about openSUSE and related linux matters.

In all the years I have been participating in this forum nobody has ever raised a question about a problem in his or her marriage and how to go about solving such a problem.

And yet, on the off topic list, other posters noted that they had the EXACT same thought as I did when they read the post.

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Noone asked for any advice about his marriage.

Oh well. MANY times, people ask one question on here when they should be asking another question....and often, the answer they get is to the un-asked question. So there's hardly anything new about that, jealousy boy.

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It was simply that some jerk decided that a person needed some crude, unsolicited and unwarranted, advice in answer to a technical question.

It was not in any way crude. Grow up.

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I think you could probably deduce who that jerk is - but I'll give you a month to come up with the answer as we don't need a quick answer because we already know what it is.

You expressed your antipathy last week, over the fact that I have apparently done much more in my life than you would ever dare. Instead of getting mad at me, why don't you overcome your fears, and find the power within yourself to reach similar levels of achievement. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider

14:06

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive.

I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

Since then, he has picked the most idiotic things to use as EXCUSES to ban me. The most recent for giving some guy advice to pay attention to his marriage.

You fail to understand that "YOU" were banned, not just an email address. So it would go that "ANY" email address you use would also be banned. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

16:02

Ken Schneider wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive. I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

Since then, he has picked the most idiotic things to use as EXCUSES to ban me. The most recent for giving some guy advice to pay attention to his marriage.

You fail to understand that "YOU" were banned, not just an email

For bogus reasons. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Boyd Lynn Gerber

16:19

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive. I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

Since then, he has picked the most idiotic things to use as EXCUSES to ban me. The most recent for giving some guy advice to pay attention to his marriage. You fail to understand that "YOU" were banned, not just an email

For bogus reasons.

Not from me and others. I saw on the OT list where you thought all would understand you comment as advise. I could no see it that way. It appeared to be a personal attack. I found it very offensive. You could have worded it such that it was not an attack but advice. It really was not clear that it was advice. Before you ask... Yes, I am married and in no way could I understand it as advice. Just as other's on the OT list. Henne, does a great job. I lack the skills to do anything in a politically correct way. I am more like a bull in a china shop, but you have me beat when it comes to lack of tack. I would guess that over half the list find at least some of your comments and attacks to be offensive. I should not feed the troll, but you really do not seem to understand your worse than a bull in a china closet. So Please stick to just technical issues and replies. Then maybe Henne would grant you access again. As it is I think I would agree that you need to be banned. It appears you can not be a force for good assistance on this list. Sad to say. So I will not post any futher comments about this. I guess you just do not get it (understand). This list is for assistance to problems with SUSE/Novell's distribution of Linux. There are far to many OT discussion on this list. The SNR is way to high. -- Boyd Gerber ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

16:32

Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive. I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

Since then, he has picked the most idiotic things to use as EXCUSES to ban me. The most recent for giving some guy advice to pay attention to his marriage. You fail to understand that "YOU" were banned, not just an email For bogus reasons.

Not from me and others. I saw on the OT list where you thought all would understand you comment as advise. I could no see it that way. It appeared to be a personal attack.

That was not an attack in any way, shape or form. And your characterizing it as such is offensive. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike

17:33

On Friday 29 February 2008 17:32, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism pecked at

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The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive.

I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

Since then, he has picked the most idiotic things to use as EXCUSES to ban me. The most recent for giving some guy advice to pay attention to his marriage.

You fail to understand that "YOU" were banned, not just an email

For bogus reasons.

Not from me and others. I saw on the OT list where you thought all would understand you comment as advise. I could no see it that way. It appeared to be a personal attack.

That was not an attack in any way, shape or form.

Not in your way of thinking. But to others it was.

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And your characterizing it as such is offensive.

So be offended. Like we really care. Most of the folks have tried to explain things and you just won't listen. You just don't seem to understand. I'd be willing to bet that after the offending message that Henne heard about it from several folks. That's usually the only time he resorts to removing someone. Personally I could care less. Your original email address hit the bitbucket, and now this one will to. No big loss. -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 6:29pm up 197 days 23:01, 6 users, load average: 2.10, 2.27, 2.22 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Mike wrote:

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On Friday 29 February 2008 17:32, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism pecked at

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> The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, > regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is > distinctive. I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

Since then, he has picked the most idiotic things to use as EXCUSES to ban me. The most recent for giving some guy advice to pay attention to his marriage. You fail to understand that "YOU" were banned, not just an email For bogus reasons. Not from me and others. I saw on the OT list where you thought all would understand you comment as advise. I could no see it that way. It appeared to be a personal attack. That was not an attack in any way, shape or form.

Not in your way of thinking. But to others it was.

So because THEY mis-read what I wrote... Strangely enough, the guy who I actually REPLIED TO never complained that i was attacking him. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. What does that tell you?

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And your characterizing it as such is offensive.

So be offended. Like we really care. Most of the folks have tried to explain things and you just won't listen.

Well then, you should be banned, too. And unlike me, YOUR attack on me was deliberate.

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You just don't seem to understand.

I very well do understand -- Henne has a bug up his ass about me. Not for any substantial reason -- but just a personal dislike, and has decided that his personal feelings should be grounds for company list policy. That's absolutely wrong, and I'm not going to stand for it.

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I'd be willing to bet that after the

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offending message that Henne heard about it from several folks. That's usually the only time he resorts to removing someone.

If so, then why didn't he mention any of this in his "good bye" notes. No..it's all about Henne's bully-boy attitude.

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Personally I could care less. Your original email address hit the bitbucket, and now this one will to. No big loss.

Ah yes..the great chicken act -- "now that I've attacked you with my bogus argument, I'm announcing that I'm killfiling you so that I don't have to defend any of the bullshit I just wrote." That's very un-clever of you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Ken Schneider

17:58

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Mike wrote:

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That was not an attack in any way, shape or form.

Not in your way of thinking. But to others it was.

So because THEY mis-read what I wrote...

Strangely enough, the guy who I actually REPLIED TO never complained that i was attacking him.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

What does that tell you?

That he is a bigger man then you. And that he knew when not to reply to BS. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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Mike wrote:

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That was not an attack in any way, shape or form. Not in your way of thinking. But to others it was. So because THEY mis-read what I wrote...

Strangely enough, the guy who I actually REPLIED TO never complained that i was attacking him.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

What does that tell you?

That he is a bigger man then you.

Going for the "have you stopped beating your wife?" strategy, eh?

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And that he knew when not to reply to BS.

Or more likely, he interpreted my reply in the spirit that it was written ... as a friendly observation. Strange thata the only people who are personally attacking me are the same ones who IMAGINE what I write to be personal attacks. I do believe the psychologists call that "Projection" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

16:35

Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive. I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

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So I will not post any futher comments about this. I guess you just do not get it (understand). This list is for assistance to problems with SUSE/Novell's distribution of Linux. There are far to many OT discussion on this list. The SNR is way to high.

And this one wouldn't be happening if Henne wasn't behaving as a bully. And I'm not the one who drags politics onto this list, so don't even try pointing that finger at me, either -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

16:53

On Friday 29 February 2008 08:35:27 am Aaron the Kook got on his troll hat and scribbled:

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I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

So I will not post any futher comments about this. I guess you just do not get it (understand). This list is for assistance to problems with SUSE/Novell's distribution of Linux. There are far to many OT discussion on this list. The SNR is way to high.

And this one wouldn't be happening if Henne wasn't behaving as a bully.

And I'm not the one who drags politics onto this list, so don't even try pointing that finger at me, either

Aaron: If you want to fit in, troll the crap out of the place and not get banned, here's where you go: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.suse/topics If you really feel like spouting out then here: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/topics HTH! HAND -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Friday 29 February 2008 08:35:27 am Aaron the Kook got on his troll hat and scribbled:

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I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago. So I will not post any futher comments about this. I guess you just do not get it (understand). This list is for assistance to problems with SUSE/Novell's distribution of Linux. There are far to many OT discussion on this list. The SNR is way to high. And this one wouldn't be happening if Henne wasn't behaving as a bully.

And I'm not the one who drags politics onto this list, so don't even try pointing that finger at me, either

Aaron:

If you want to fit in, troll the crap out of the place and not get banned, here's where you go:

That's NOT what I subscribe to this list for. And it's insulting for you to suggest that I do. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

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On Friday 29 February 2008 09:16:55 am Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Aaron:

If you want to fit in, troll the crap out of the place and not get banned, here's where you go:

That's NOT what I subscribe to this list for.

Could've fooled me.

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And it's insulting for you to suggest that I do.

I only call 'em as I see 'em. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Friday 29 February 2008 09:16:55 am Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Aaron:

If you want to fit in, troll the crap out of the place and not get banned, here's where you go: That's NOT what I subscribe to this list for.

Could've fooled me.

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And it's insulting for you to suggest that I do.

I only call 'em as I see 'em.

But when I do the same, it's worthy of banishment. Interesting double-standard. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Doug McGarrett

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Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Friday 29 February 2008 08:35:27 am Aaron the Kook got on his troll hat and scribbled:

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I was LEGITIMATELY warned once...several months ago.

So I will not post any futher comments about this. I guess you just do not get it (understand). This list is for assistance to problems with SUSE/Novell's distribution of Linux. There are far to many OT discussion on this list. The SNR is way to high.

And this one wouldn't be happening if Henne wasn't behaving as a bully.

And I'm not the one who drags politics onto this list, so don't even try pointing that finger at me, either

Aaron:

If you want to fit in, troll the crap out of the place and not get banned, here's where you go:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.suse/topics

If you really feel like spouting out then here:

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/topics

HTH!

HAND

A few days ago I asked a legitimate question. How it degenerated into this mess is beyond me, and I am really sorry to see it. Someone has hijacked the thread and used it to call names and become obnoxious, and others have fallen for this garbage. Shame on you all! --doug -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

29 Feb 29 Feb

04:43

On Thursday 28 February 2008 08:34:20 pm Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:32, Banning someone out of personal

spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Wrong. Henne determines the standards that apply to this forum. If you cannot abide that, too bad.

The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive.

Having been guilty of godwin myself, I can see the effect here. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

04:50

Kai Ponte wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 08:34:20 pm Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:32, Banning someone out of personal

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Wrong. Henne determines the standards that apply to this forum. If you cannot abide that, too bad.

The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive.

Having been guilty of godwin myself, I can see the effect here.

Please explain term "godwin" - it is not an expression I've come across. Ciao. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Tommy Pham

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:32, Banning someone out of

Kai Ponte wrote: personal

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spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Wrong. Henne determines the standards that apply to this forum. If

you

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cannot abide that, too bad.

The fact is that you'll never be able to hide your identity, regardless of what email address you use. _Your_ disrespect is distinctive.

Having been guilty of godwin myself, I can see the effect here.

Please explain term "godwin" - it is not an expression I've come across.

Ciao.

-- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke.

--

"godwin" for Godwin's law? Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3] "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a caution against the use of inflammatory rhetoric or exaggerated comparisons, and is often conflated with fallacious arguments of the reductio ad Hitlerum form. (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law) ~Tommy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

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Having been guilty of godwin myself, I can see the effect here.

Please explain term "godwin" - it is not an expression I've come across.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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Ciao.

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Basil Chupin

04:46

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Oh, in the name of "truth, justice and the American way" AK, give it away! -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

04:48

Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Oh, in the name of "truth, justice and the American way" AK, give it away!

I've got an entire telephone book full of names sitting next on the shelf. I'm not going to let some jerk whose authority exceeds his wisdom push me around. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

05:34

On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 23:48 -0500, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Oh, in the name of "truth, justice and the American way" AK, give it away!

I've got an entire telephone book full of names sitting next on the shelf.

I'm not going to let some jerk whose authority exceeds his wisdom push me around.

Really, you don't want to open that can of worms Aaron. I'm bit bucketing this addy from you. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 23:48 -0500, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops. Oh, in the name of "truth, justice and the American way" AK, give it away! I've got an entire telephone book full of names sitting next on the shelf.

I'm not going to let some jerk whose authority exceeds his wisdom push me around.

Really, you don't want to open that can of worms Aaron.

I don't let bullies push me around because THEY can't handle people who look at things differently than they do.

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I'm bit bucketing this addy from you.

What a flake. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

11:38

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 23:48 -0500, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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> On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal > spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: > > A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. > B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and > hateful > rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops. Oh, in the name of "truth, justice and the American way" AK, give it away! I've got an entire telephone book full of names sitting next on the shelf.

I'm not going to let some jerk whose authority exceeds his wisdom push me around.

Really, you don't want to open that can of worms Aaron.

I don't let bullies push me around because THEY can't handle people who look at things differently than they do.

I won't let "bullies" "push you around" either. Name these naughty-type scoundrels, these "bullies" who push you around and I'll get my wife to hit them, really hard, with her handbag! Just name them and I'll take care of the rest! Trust me.

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I'm bit bucketing this addy from you.

What a flake.

"Flake"? -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

11:29

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Oh, in the name of "truth, justice and the American way" AK, give it away!

I've got an entire telephone book full of names sitting next on the shelf.

I'm not going to let some jerk whose authority exceeds his wisdom push me around.

Oooh, so whoyagonnacall eh? Dubya or Condie? In any case, why aren't you posting under your real name, eh? -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

12:51

Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Oh, in the name of "truth, justice and the American way" AK, give it away!

I've got an entire telephone book full of names sitting next on the shelf.

I'm not going to let some jerk whose authority exceeds his wisdom push me around.

Oooh, so whoyagonnacall eh? Dubya or Condie?

In any case, why aren't you posting under your real name, eh?

Why don't you aske Henne, Mr. Jealousy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Philippe Landau

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New subject: [opensuse] Banning personal attacks (was: Is there a version of KMail available for Win XP?

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"? If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops. One rule of successful policing, Aaron, is not to make everyone your enemy. Policing the world is difficult when your empire is destroyed from within by psychopathic mobsters. You are not a troll but you have to learn to respect your limits.

Personal attacks like the above need to be banned to allow a fruitful exchange. If your war places you above the law there just now, here you aren't. Philippe -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

05:36

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Philippe Landau wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

One rule of successful policing, Aaron, is not to make everyone your enemy. Policing the world is difficult when your empire is destroyed from within by psychopathic mobsters. You are not a troll

Don't be too sure about this - have a good look at what a "troll" could be.

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but you have to learn to respect your limits.

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Personal attacks like the above need to be banned to allow a fruitful exchange. If your war places you above the law there just now,

How can anyone be "placed above the law" because of (an illegal [when was 'war' declared on any nation in the last 60 years?]) war or any other justification for that matter? Certainly not in the EU or any nation which adheres to the principle of being a democratic nation. Aren't all civilised nations signatories to the Geneva Convention?

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here you aren't.

Philippe

Perhaps not. Ciao. -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Philippe Landau wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

One rule of successful policing, Aaron, is not to make everyone your enemy.

I'm not making YOU my enemy. I'm just calling attention to Henne's repeated illogical scapegoating of me, because I look at computer problems from a different viewpoint than his. If you don't like it, then stand up and do the right thing, and take Henne to task. But I am *NOT* going to let him bully me by abusing his administrative powers. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

11:52

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Philippe Landau wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

One rule of successful policing, Aaron, is not to make everyone your enemy.

I'm not making YOU my enemy.

I'm just calling attention to Henne's repeated illogical scapegoating of me, because I look at computer problems from a different viewpoint than his.

If you don't like it, then stand up and do the right thing, and take Henne to task.

But I am *NOT* going to let him bully me by abusing his administrative powers.

So why aren't you posting under your true name but rather pretending to be someone else? It would seem that in your eyes Henne is obviously a 'watermelon' in disguise and therefore deserves to get "da full treatment". Do you perhaps consider that he ought to have an extended holiday in Abu Ghraib? -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Philippe Landau wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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> On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal > spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: > A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. > B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and > hateful > rhetoric is entirely appropriate. > Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

One rule of successful policing, Aaron, is not to make everyone your enemy.

I'm not making YOU my enemy.

I'm just calling attention to Henne's repeated illogical scapegoating of me, because I look at computer problems from a different viewpoint than his.

If you don't like it, then stand up and do the right thing, and take Henne to task.

But I am *NOT* going to let him bully me by abusing his administrative powers.

So why aren't you posting under your true name but rather pretending to be someone else?

Because I decided to stop glossing over the problem, and instead, call attention to it.

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It would seem that in your eyes Henne is obviously a 'watermelon' in disguise and therefore deserves to get "da full treatment". Do you perhaps consider that he ought to have an extended holiday in Abu Ghraib?

Lame. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike

16:09

New subject: [opensuse] Banning personal attacks

On Friday 29 February 2008 13:44, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Because I decided to stop glossing over the problem, and instead, call attention to it.

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It would seem that in your eyes Henne is obviously a 'watermelon' in disguise and therefore deserves to get "da full treatment". Do you perhaps consider that he ought to have an extended holiday in Abu Ghraib?

Lame.

Not at all. You are the one that brags about going to Iraq. Big Deal. There are a few of us that were at "war" long before you were around. We don't make stupid statements about it. We don't make it public. You are the one that did that. So take the heat. There are lot of folks that think it's wrong. Deal with it. And as fast as you get banned with this address, I know you'll just create another one. But I can send them to the bit bucket just as fast. Get a life. Better yet, switch to Mandriva or Red Hat and bother them. -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 5:03pm up 197 days 21:35, 6 users, load average: 2.01, 2.07, 2.08 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Mike wrote:

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On Friday 29 February 2008 13:44, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Because I decided to stop glossing over the problem, and instead, call attention to it.

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It would seem that in your eyes Henne is obviously a 'watermelon' in disguise and therefore deserves to get "da full treatment". Do you perhaps consider that he ought to have an extended holiday in Abu Ghraib? Lame.

Not at all. You are the one that brags about going to Iraq. Big Deal.

Giving the details of when, and under what conditions I was having to administrate Windows is not bragging...it's stating that even under the US Department of Defence's networks which are MUCH more secure than any commercial environment that I've ever worked in, Windows was still a pain in the rear to deal with, and still had security problems. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Philippe Landau wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"? If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops. One rule of successful policing, Aaron, is not to make everyone your enemy. Policing the world is difficult when your empire is destroyed from within by psychopathic mobsters.

What empire are you talking about? What are the vassal states? When do they start paying tribute?

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You are not a troll but you have to learn to respect your limits.

That I do, and will. However, I am *NOT* going to slink away meekly just because some guy has taken a disliking to me and decided to abuse his list administrator privileges against me. Henny gave me a warning once...which I will admit WAS justified. Since then, however, every one of his further actions against me has been for the most trifling causes. But the last time...when kicked me off for giving someone some marriage-saving advice...that was the last straw.

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Personal attacks like the above need to be banned to allow a fruitful exchange.

I wasn't banned for a personal attack. Henne has repeatedly banned me over stuff that no reasonable person would consider offensive. Several days ago, for nothing more than advising a guy that maybe he ought to stop neglecting his marriage, which was then used as another empty EXCUSE to kick me off. The other times were even more trivial. Henne is the one who has decided to make this personal issue. So don't lecture ME about personal attacks, when this guy is behaving like nothing more than schoolyard bully towards anyone who holds different viewpoints than his own.

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If your war places you above the law there just now, here you aren't.

Where did THAT come from?

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Philippe

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Philipp Thomas

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Several days ago, for nothing more than advising a guy that maybe he ought to stop neglecting his marriage, which was then used as another empty EXCUSE to kick me off.

If you did that on a technical list, he had every right to kick you. Otherwise: a new addition to my kill list. Welcome to the bit bucket. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

12:05

New subject: [opensuse] Banning personal attacks

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philippe Landau wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"? If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops. One rule of successful policing, Aaron, is not to make everyone your enemy. Policing the world is difficult when your empire is destroyed from within by psychopathic mobsters.

What empire are you talking about? What are the vassal states? When do they start paying tribute?

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You are not a troll but you have to learn to respect your limits.

That I do, and will.

However, I am *NOT* going to slink away meekly just because some guy has taken a disliking to me and decided to abuse his list administrator privileges against me.

R-i-g-h-t, so Henne is abusing his administrative priveleges is he? and against you to boot? Poor Henne <sigh>. He's really in for big trouble now...

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Henny gave me a warning once...which I will admit WAS justified. Since then, however, every one of his further actions against me has been for the most trifling causes.

But the last time...when kicked me off for giving someone some marriage-saving advice...that was the last straw.

"Marriage-saving advice"! LOL. Where did you learn all about "marriage-saving advice"? Out of Penthouse or The Hustler? Are you married, BTW?

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exchange. Personal attacks like the above need to be banned to allow a fruitful

I wasn't banned for a personal attack. Henne has repeatedly banned me over stuff that no reasonable person would consider offensive.

Several days ago, for nothing more than advising a guy that maybe he ought to stop neglecting his marriage,

Doctor AK, where did you acquire your qualifications to be able to give such advice - unsolicited as it was - to anyone? Perhaps you learnt from Dr Phil while he was on the Oprah show, hmmm?

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which was then used as another empty EXCUSE to kick me off.

The other times were even more trivial.

Henne is the one who has decided to make this personal issue.

So don't lecture ME about personal attacks, when this guy is behaving like nothing more than schoolyard bully towards anyone who holds different viewpoints than his own.

"Schoolyard bully". Henne is a "schoolyard bully". What else is Henne? But why ARE you posting here under a false name? -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

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Basil Chupin wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philippe Landau wrote:

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Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote: A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"? If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops. One rule of successful policing, Aaron, is not to make everyone your enemy. Policing the world is difficult when your empire is destroyed from within by psychopathic mobsters.

What empire are you talking about? What are the vassal states? When do they start paying tribute?

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You are not a troll but you have to learn to respect your limits.

That I do, and will.

However, I am *NOT* going to slink away meekly just because some guy has taken a disliking to me and decided to abuse his list administrator privileges against me.

R-i-g-h-t, so Henne is abusing his administrative priveleges is he? and against you to boot?

Poor Henne <sigh>. He's really in for big trouble now...

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Henny gave me a warning once...which I will admit WAS justified. Since then, however, every one of his further actions against me has been for the most trifling causes.

But the last time...when kicked me off for giving someone some marriage-saving advice...that was the last straw.

"Marriage-saving advice"! LOL.

Where did you learn all about "marriage-saving advice"? Out of Penthouse or The Hustler?

Are you married, BTW?

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exchange. Personal attacks like the above need to be banned to allow a fruitful

I wasn't banned for a personal attack. Henne has repeatedly banned me over stuff that no reasonable person would consider offensive.

Several days ago, for nothing more than advising a guy that maybe he ought to stop neglecting his marriage,

Doctor AK, where did you acquire your qualifications to be able to give such advice - unsolicited as it was - to anyone?

Ah yes..you've made it quite clear in the past how jealous you are of my life experiences and insights.

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Perhaps you learnt from Dr Phil while he was on the Oprah show, hmmm?

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which was then used as another empty EXCUSE to kick me off.

The other times were even more trivial.

Henne is the one who has decided to make this personal issue.

So don't lecture ME about personal attacks, when this guy is behaving like nothing more than schoolyard bully towards anyone who holds different viewpoints than his own.

"Schoolyard bully". Henne is a "schoolyard bully". What else is Henne?

I don't know. I've never met the man.

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But why ARE you posting here under a false name?

Because as long as this jerk is making me come up with new accounts, I might as well make it obvious every time he does it. NOBODY noticed before when I went through numerous accounts...or even that there was any REASON for him to ban me. So I'm done playing that game. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Stefan Hundhammer

17:47

New subject: [opensuse] Banning personal attacks

On Friday 29 February 2008 13:49, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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NOBODY noticed before when I went through numerous accounts...

Don't you think the way you behave is a dead giveaway?

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or even that there was any REASON for him to ban me.

Think about it. The reason is exactly that behaviour of yours. Small things add up. While you may be right that every single one of certain remarks alone might not justify a ban, the constant flow of them for sure does. You are a knowledgeable person. You are also an intelligent person. But clearly, the way you treat other people just sucks. And as much as the openSUSE community appreciates valuable input from someone who knows a lot about various aspects of Linux (and also old-time Unix) systems, there is a limit to anti-social behaviour that such a community can endure. Could you just try to stay on the community side of that line? I know that sometimes that's not simple. There are always people who don't read FAQs, people who don't read list charters (or who just don't give a damn), people who are just downright stupid. That's all facts of life. I keeps confusing me how you as someone who advocates Linux so much OTOH values the community aspect of it all so little. Linux is all about community. But flaming people who do something wrong or who just have a different opinion is counterproductive for this community. So please, try to have some more patience with those people. Maybe there is a chance for us to educate them. At least some of them. But when they leave immediately after receiving a thrashing, the impression they leave with is something along the lines of "those arrogant Linux SOBs". Just my (private) 2 cents. -- Stefan Hundhammer Penguin by conviction. YaST2 Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Nürnberg, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

18:08

New subject: [opensuse] Banning personal attacks

Stefan Hundhammer wrote:

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On Friday 29 February 2008 13:49, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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NOBODY noticed before when I went through numerous accounts...

Don't you think the way you behave is a dead giveaway?

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or even that there was any REASON for him to ban me.

Think about it. The reason is exactly that behaviour of yours.

Or conversely, Henne has decided that his personal prejudices should be list policy. No company that I've ever worked for would allow such demeaning attitude towards long-term users of their products, especially one who is in position to advance the company's business goals.

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Small things add up. While you may be right that every single one of certain remarks alone might not justify a ban, the constant flow of them for sure does.

You are a knowledgeable person. You are also an intelligent person. But clearly, the way you treat other people just sucks.

I have a group of 160 men who lived and worked with me for 15 months who would absolutely laugh at such an accusation, and they, more than anyone ought to know. Last weekend, a couple of us got together to party a bit, and out of the blue, one told me that he felt that I was part of the glue that helped hold the whole group together, because, as he said, "Whenever anyone saw you...what did they do? They always smiled." And if you think this is more "bragging" on my part, feel free to go to http://www.theultimates.com/white and search for Dusty Bidwell, in Millersburg, MI, and talk to the man himself.

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And as much as the openSUSE community appreciates valuable input from someone who knows a lot about various aspects of Linux (and also old-time Unix) systems, there is a limit to anti-social behaviour that such a community can endure.

Making a simple observation and offering simple, useful advice is anti-social now?

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Could you just try to stay on the community side of that line?

I find it very interesting that over the last several months NOBODY has been banned for any of several personal attacks on me. And yet, I'm expected to be absolutely perfect. Why is that? Maybe I should change my name to Johann.

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I know that sometimes that's not simple. There are always people who don't read FAQs, people who don't read list charters (or who just don't give a damn), people who are just downright stupid. That's all facts of life.

And sometimes it's just plain prejudicial. And I'm not going to abide by that.

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I keeps confusing me how you as someone who advocates Linux so much OTOH values the community aspect of it all so little. Linux is all about community. But flaming people who do something wrong or who just have a different opinion is counterproductive for this community.

Actually, I do. Just not in the same way that YOU do. I belong to (attend the meetings of) several LUGs. I've migrated several people's home computers off of Windows onto SuSE.

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So please, try to have some more patience with those people. Maybe there is a chance for us to educate them. At least some of them. But when they leave immediately after receiving a thrashing, the impression they leave with is something along the lines of "those arrogant Linux SOBs".

IF Henne wasn't being an even bigger jerk than what you're claiming me to be, this conversation wouldn't even be necessary. Chew on that for a while. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Tony Alfrey

18:10

New subject: [opensuse] Banning personal attacks

Stefan Hundhammer wrote:

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On Friday 29 February 2008 13:49, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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NOBODY noticed before when I went through numerous accounts...

Not true; I noticed immediately (along with Randall). We just have better things to do than spend a lot of time with this. But this time, I'm hoping that you might *hear* this feedback. <snip>

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You are a knowledgeable person. You are also an intelligent person. But clearly, the way you treat other people just sucks.

I agree with this. You simply don't understand (or want to understand) that a lot of your remarks are simply mean-spirited. This diminishes your effectiveness and it gives the list a negative tenor. This is certainly not good advertising for the linux community and for SuSE specifically. You are argumentative for the sheer sake of argument. <snip>

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But flaming people who do something wrong or who just have a different opinion is counterproductive for this community.

Precisely. This applies to *any* social interaction. My usual choice is to simply ignore your input on a thread when I see that it has evolved from linux to rant. I wish others would take that approach; I suspect you would stop ranting if you received no reinforcement. <snip> -- Tony Alfrey tonyalfrey@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

18:18

New subject: [opensuse] Banning personal attacks

Tony Alfrey wrote:

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Stefan Hundhammer wrote:

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On Friday 29 February 2008 13:49, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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NOBODY noticed before when I went through numerous accounts...

Not true; I noticed immediately (along with Randall).

If that's immediately, then your definition means "any time over a period of months" No...you noticed it when I changed my name to Magic Nose Goblin. You completely missed the several other times Henne banned me for absolutely no credible reason at all. This last week, however, has been the last straw, and I decided that if Henne wants to play childish Whack-a-Mole games, then I'm going to call the entire list's attention to it until he stops. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

05:03

On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 22:32 -0500, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate.

Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Did you miss the part where he is the list owner? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism

05:24

Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 22:32 -0500, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Did you miss the part where he is the list owner?

Acting on behalf of Suse this list is not for his own personal whims. Every single time he's banned me, it's been complete BULLSHIT and I'm fed up with it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Basil Chupin

12:16

Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Thu, 2008-02-28 at 22:32 -0500, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

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Philip Dowie wrote:

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On Thursday 28 February 2008 19:11, Banning someone out of personal spite is uncalled for fascism wrote:

A) Personal spite can in no way be equated with Fascism. B) Banning someone for irrelevant, uncalled-for, slanderous and hateful rhetoric is entirely appropriate. Isn't the phrase we are looking for here "please, don't feed the trolls"?

If Henne's going to be a disrespectful jerk, then I'm going to call attention to it, until he stops.

Did you miss the part where he is the list owner?

Acting on behalf of Suse this list is not for his own personal whims.

Every single time he's banned me, it's been complete BULLSHIT and I'm fed up with it.

Oooow, that this mean that we have seen the last of you as of this (above) message? Maybe we may see you in print at Amazon with a title like, "When your wife asks for an applet for her browser, give her "ONE!" in the not too distant future? -- I was very heavily into pornography. Then my pornograph broke. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Fred A. Miller

03:28

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Doug McGarrett wrote:

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The title says it all. Since I'm used to KMail, I'd like to have it on the Wind machine also.

When did you think KDE was ported to Lose-DOS?

Check this out. http://www.danka.de/printpro/NX.html http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/kde3/screenshots.php Fred -- A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Kai Ponte

03:42

On Thursday 28 February 2008 06:04:41 pm Doug McGarrett wrote:

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The title says it all. Since I'm used to KMail, I'd like to have it on the Wind machine also.

IIRC, there is a group starting to write QT4 apps for Wintendo and the Cult of Mac. google around a bit. I think the news broke in the past few months. -- kai www.filesite.org || www.4thedadz.com || www.perfectreign.com remember - a turn signal is a statement, not a request -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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