Dear All, I got problem to install OpenSuSE 11.2 into new PC such as DELL OptiFlex or ACER Veriton (using Intel ICH8 SATA or newer ?). It caused OpenSuSE 11.2 has no driver for such Intel SATA Interface. With OpenSuSE 12.4 installation was very smoothly done. But I have application that not developed yet to run under 12.4 version. Need advise about latest driver for Intel SATA that I want to install with OpenSuSe 11.2. Thank you so much for you help. Best Regards, Wong -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Wong wrote:
Dear All,
I got problem to install OpenSuSE 11.2 into new PC such as DELL OptiFlex or ACER Veriton (using Intel ICH8 SATA or newer ?). It caused OpenSuSE 11.2 has no driver for such Intel SATA Interface.
ICH8 is not exactly new, I'm sure openSUSE 11.2 has drivers for it.
With OpenSuSE 12.4 installation was very smoothly done. But I have application that not developed yet to run under 12.4 version.
12.2 you mean?
Need advise about latest driver for Intel SATA that I want to install with OpenSuSe 11.2.
Can you describe in more detail the problem you're experiencing? Error messages etc. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (9.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Per,
I got problem to install OpenSuSE 11.2 into new PC such as DELL OptiFlex or ACER Veriton (using Intel ICH8 SATA or newer ?). It caused OpenSuSE 11.2 has no driver for such Intel SATA Interface.
ICH8 is not exactly new, I'm sure openSUSE 11.2 has drivers for it. <AW> Yes, you are correct. Intel has ICH9 already and version 11.2 had the driver
With OpenSuSE 12.4 installation was very smoothly done. But I have application that not developed yet to run under 12.4 version.
12.2 you mean? <AW> Yes 12.2. Sorry for incorrect version stated
Need advise about latest driver for Intel SATA that I want to install with OpenSuSe 11.2.
Can you describe in more detail the problem you're experiencing? Error messages etc. <AW> Installer just informed that no DVD Drive, as it has no (built in) driver for SATA in the 11.2 DVD media. If I tried to use USB DVD Drive, installer stopped when accessing HDD with exactly same situation (no built in driver). I am sure if I have driver for SATA and put it into the installation progress, problem will solved. Thanks and Regards. Wong -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Wong wrote:
Can you describe in more detail the problem you're experiencing? Error messages etc.
<AW> Installer just informed that no DVD Drive, as it has no (built in) driver for SATA in the 11.2 DVD media. If I tried to use USB DVD Drive, installer stopped when accessing HDD with exactly same situation (no built in driver). I am sure if I have driver for SATA and put it into the installation progress, problem will solved.
Hi Wong I don't think I've ever seen that. Sometime I have seen messages about "unable to access/partition /dev/sdX" (when starting the partitioner), but those are usually not related to a missing driver. Wrt adding a driver during the installation process, we used to have support for that, but I've not had reason to do that for years. At which point during installation do you get this message, and what is the exact message? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (10.8°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Can you describe in more detail the problem you're experiencing? Error messages etc.
<AW> Installer just informed that no DVD Drive, as it has no (built in) driver for SATA in the 11.2 DVD media. If I tried to use USB DVD Drive, installer stopped when accessing HDD with exactly same situation (no built in driver). I am sure if I have driver for SATA and put it into the installation progress, problem will solved.
Hi Wong I don't think I've ever seen that. Sometime I have seen messages about "unable to access/partition /dev/sdX" (when starting the partitioner), but those are usually not related to a missing driver. Wrt adding a driver during the installation process, we used to have support for that, but I've not had reason to do that for years. At which point during installation do you get this message, and what is the exact message? Hi Per, <AW> I cannot continue the installation at all as Installer could not access DVD Drive after booting. I will capture the screen shot and email to you. <AW> BTW, the chipset is Intel H61. Do you have any idea of this chipset for version 11.2? Thanks & Regards, Wong -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-05 19:34 (GMT+0800) Wong composed:
<AW> BTW, the chipset is Intel H61. Do you have any idea of this chipset for version 11.2?
Why is 11.2 released in 2009 wanted or needed now? 11.2 release date was 15 months prior to H61 release[1]. To expect a chipset to work it should have a release date 4-8 months prior to the release date of an openSUSE release to be installed. [1] http://ark.intel.com/products/52806/Intel-BD82H61-PCH -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
<AW> BTW, the chipset is Intel H61. Do you have any idea of this chipset for version 11.2?
Why is 11.2 released in 2009 wanted or needed now? 11.2 release date was 15 months prior to H61 release[1]. To expect a chipset to work it should have a release date 4-8 months prior to the release date of an openSUSE release to be installed. [1] http://ark.intel.com/products/52806/Intel-BD82H61-PCH <AW> Hi Felix, <AW> Is it any opportunity for 11.x version to use H61? Thanks & Regards, Wong -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-06 09:38 (GMT+0800) Wong composed:
<AW> BTW, the chipset is Intel H61. Do you have any idea of this chipset for version 11.2?
Why is 11.2 released in 2009 wanted or needed now? 11.2 release date was 15 months prior to H61 release[1]. To expect a chipset to work it should have a release date 4-8 months prior to the release date of an openSUSE release to be installed.
<AW> Is it any opportunity for 11.x version to use H61?
Likely not. 11.4 was only released the same quarter as the H61. Can't you use 12.1? Why not 12.2? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
<AW> BTW, the chipset is Intel H61. Do you have any idea of this chipset for version 11.2?
Why is 11.2 released in 2009 wanted or needed now? 11.2 release date was 15 months prior to H61 release[1]. To expect a chipset to work it should have a release date 4-8 months prior to the release date of an openSUSE release to be installed.
<AW> Is it any opportunity for 11.x version to use H61?
Likely not. 11.4 was only released the same quarter as the H61. Can't you use 12.1? Why not 12.2? <AW> I need some time to test my program & compatibility. At the moment I have no time to do it. <AW> One thing that I am curios, Intal has motheboard DH77KC (H77) that release in year 2012. But 11.2 still support it. Really confusing..... Thanks, Wong -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-06 11:38 (GMT+0800) Wong composed:
<AW> BTW, the chipset is Intel H61. Do you have any idea of this chipset for version 11.2?
Why is 11.2 released in 2009 wanted or needed now? 11.2 release date was 15 months prior to H61 release[1]. To expect a chipset to work it should have a release date 4-8 months prior to the release date of an openSUSE release to be installed.
<AW> Is it any opportunity for 11.x version to use H61?
Likely not. 11.4 was only released the same quarter as the H61. Can't you use 12.1? Why not 12.2?
<AW> I need some time to test my program & compatibility. At the moment I have no time to do it.
<AW> One thing that I am curios, Intal has motheboard DH77KC (H77) that release in year 2012. But 11.2 still support it. Really confusing.....
Whatever the problem with H61 is or was, it should have nothing to do with ICH8. ICH8, ICH9 & ICH10 all were released before 11.2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_Controller_Hub Many motherboards come with more than 4 SATA ports. Of those, probably most have one or more SATA ports (often in conjunction with PATA ports since Intel chipsets stopped including PATA ports as of ICH8) on a non-ICH controller chip from JMicron or Marvell or other. Possibly your DVD was connected to a non-ICH controller chip that does not have support in 11.2. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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On 2012-11-06 11:38 (GMT+0800) Wong composed:
<AW> BTW, the chipset is Intel H61. Do you have any idea of this chipset for version 11.2?
Why is 11.2 released in 2009 wanted or needed now? 11.2 release date was 15 months prior to H61 release[1]. To expect a chipset to work it should have a release date 4-8 months prior to the release date of an openSUSE release to be installed.
<AW> Is it any opportunity for 11.x version to use H61?
Likely not. 11.4 was only released the same quarter as the H61. Can't you use 12.1? Why not 12.2?
<AW> I need some time to test my program & compatibility. At the moment I have no time to do it.
<AW> One thing that I am curios, Intal has motheboard DH77KC (H77) that release in year 2012. But 11.2 still support it. Really confusing.....
Whatever the problem with H61 is or was, it should have nothing to do with ICH8. ICH8, ICH9 & ICH10 all were released before 11.2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_Controller_Hub
Many motherboards come with more than 4 SATA ports. Of those, probably most have one or more SATA ports (often in conjunction with PATA ports since Intel chipsets stopped including PATA ports as of ICH8) on a non-ICH controller chip from JMicron or Marvell or other. Possibly your DVD was connected to a non-ICH controller chip that does not have support in 11.2.
Yep, that's not a bad guess - Wong, depending on your experience level, trying to debug this and figure out what to do could well take longer than moving your application to 12.2. /Per -- Per Jessen, Zürich (5.1°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
<AW> BTW, the chipset is Intel H61. Do you have any idea of this chipset for version 11.2?
Why is 11.2 released in 2009 wanted or needed now? 11.2 release date was 15 months prior to H61 release[1]. To expect a chipset to work it should have a release date 4-8 months prior to the release date of an openSUSE release to be installed.
<AW> Is it any opportunity for 11.x version to use H61?
Likely not. 11.4 was only released the same quarter as the H61. Can't you use 12.1? Why not 12.2?
<AW> I need some time to test my program & compatibility. At the moment I have no time to do it.
<AW> One thing that I am curios, Intal has motheboard DH77KC (H77) that release in year 2012. But 11.2 still support it. Really confusing.....
Whatever the problem with H61 is or was, it should have nothing to do with ICH8. ICH8, ICH9 & ICH10 all were released before 11.2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I/O_Controller_Hub
Many motherboards come with more than 4 SATA ports. Of those, probably most have one or more SATA ports (often in conjunction with PATA ports since Intel chipsets stopped including PATA ports as of ICH8) on a non-ICH controller chip from JMicron or Marvell or other. Possibly your DVD was connected to a non-ICH controller chip that does not have support in 11.2.
Yep, that's not a bad guess - Wong, depending on your experience level, trying to debug this and figure out what to do could well take longer than moving your application to 12.2. Hi Per & Felix, <AW> As technology is very dynamic, moving to 12.2 will the best solution & less headache. But again, I have no enough time to do it by now. <AW> Felix, in my opinion SATA port 0 (1st port) that assumed as ICH controller. And I am sure 11.2 also support non-ICH controller. I just proposed to use SATA card (perhaps non-Intel) and disable the onboard SATA controller although it just waste money. <AW> But I really curios why H61 unsupported and H77 (newer & better performance) supported by 11.2. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/h61-expr... http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/chipset-... Thanks & Regards, Wong -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-06 17:32 (GMT+0800) Wong composed:
<AW> As technology is very dynamic, moving to 12.2 will the best solution & less headache. But again, I have no enough time to do it by now.
<AW> Felix, in my opinion SATA port 0 (1st port) that assumed as ICH controller. And I am sure 11.2 also support non-ICH controller. I just proposed to use SATA card (perhaps non-Intel) and disable the onboard SATA controller although it just waste money.
<AW> But I really curios why H61 unsupported and H77 (newer & better performance) supported by 11.2.
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/h61-expr... http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/chipset-...
If it is important to you to run 11.2 on your H61, and the only problem is getting installed via DVD, then you can use options to install that do not involve DVD, instead of using an add-in SATA card. Many of add-in cards only support booting from HD and not OM devices like DVD reader. Maybe your H61 can boot 11.2 CD made from netboot .iso file instead of DVD, or from 11.2 LiveCD? http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/discontinued/distribution/11.2/iso/ PXE boot is one option others use that I have not tried. My favorite method to install whether HD is empty or not, is to first partition via live media, then mkfs an EXT2 /boot partition, and install only Grub and the linux kernel and initrd from the installation media. I then boot using the new Grub to load the installation linux kernel and initrd and install via HTTP (which can be done from ftp5.gwdg.de even for 11.2). This same technique can be used to install from the .iso of 11.2 instead of HTTP by putting the .iso on a previously formatted data (non-/, non-/home) partition. I rarely install any Linux distro directly from DVD media boot. Another option would be to remove the HD from the H61 system and put in a different Intel system that has 11.2 DVD support, install there, then move the HD back to the H61 system. Did you check to make sure lack of DVD support with H61 is not an incompatible BIOS setting? Maybe a cmdline option to offset a quirk would enable the DVD to be used, or maybe failsafe boot mode? Are you sure the DVD reader in the H61 system is not faulty? Will it boot 12.2 DVD or Knoppix DVD or CD. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
<AW> As technology is very dynamic, moving to 12.2 will the best solution & less headache. But again, I have no enough time to do it by now.
<AW> Felix, in my opinion SATA port 0 (1st port) that assumed as ICH controller. And I am sure 11.2 also support non-ICH controller. I just proposed to use SATA card (perhaps non-Intel) and disable the onboard SATA controller although it just waste money.
<AW> But I really curios why H61 unsupported and H77 (newer & better performance) supported by 11.2.
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/h61-expr... http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstream-chipsets/chipset-...
If it is important to you to run 11.2 on your H61, and the only problem is getting installed via DVD, then you can use options to install that do not involve DVD, instead of using an add-in SATA card. Many of add-in cards only support booting from HD and not OM devices like DVD reader. Maybe your H61 can boot 11.2 CD made from netboot .iso file instead of DVD, or from 11.2 LiveCD? http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/discontinued/distribution/11.2/iso/ PXE boot is one option others use that I have not tried. My favorite method to install whether HD is empty or not, is to first partition via live media, then mkfs an EXT2 /boot partition, and install only Grub and the linux kernel and initrd from the installation media. I then boot using the new Grub to load the installation linux kernel and initrd and install via HTTP (which can be done from ftp5.gwdg.de even for 11.2). This same technique can be used to install from the .iso of 11.2 instead of HTTP by putting the .iso on a previously formatted data (non-/, non-/home) partition. I rarely install any Linux distro directly from DVD media boot. Another option would be to remove the HD from the H61 system and put in a different Intel system that has 11.2 DVD support, install there, then move the HD back to the H61 system. Did you check to make sure lack of DVD support with H61 is not an incompatible BIOS setting? Maybe a cmdline option to offset a quirk would enable the DVD to be used, or maybe failsafe boot mode? Are you sure the DVD reader in the H61 system is not faulty? Will it boot 12.2 DVD or Knoppix DVD or CD. Hi Felix, <AW> Thanks for your explanation. The problem is not only unable install from DVD but inability to detect SATA interface (seems no supported built in driver from 11.2). <AW> I can boot and install easily version 12.2 to H61. So, it should no problem with DVD, BIOS setting, etc. I already tested to move the "full installed" 11.2 (from other Intel Z68) to H61 machine, and failed. Should I edit the menu.lst? <AW> The question is; if 11.2 support H77 (and Z68), does the built in driver for ICH already support to H61? If not, where can I get the driver of H61? <AW> I will capture some pics of my installation progress and send to you directly. I think pics will in big size to be posted here and cause suffer to a lot of reader. Tomorrow I will go out of town and back to office on Thursday. Thanks & Regards, Wong -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-06 13:30 (GMT-0500) Wong composed:
I will capture some pics of my installation progress and send to you directly.
Do not do that. Upload them to your personal webspace, http://susepaste.org/ or some other pastebin site instead, and post the link in a thread email so everyone who wants has an opportunity to see them. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012-11-07 02:30 (GMT+0800) Wong composed:
<AW> Thanks for your explanation. The problem is not only unable install from DVD but inability to detect SATA interface (seems no supported built in driver from 11.2).
<AW> I can boot and install easily version 12.2 to H61. So, it should no problem with DVD, BIOS setting, etc. I already tested to move the "full installed" 11.2 (from other Intel Z68) to H61 machine, and failed.
The above and your previous posts seem to indicate that the failure is more likely a quirk of the particular motherboard, its BIOS, and/or the H61 implementation on that motherboard.
Should I edit the menu.lst?
Without knowledge of the exact error messages and context at the failure point, or seeing device.map, fstab or menu.lst, it's impossible to speculate on whether such a simple change could help.
<AW> The question is; if 11.2 support H77 (and Z68), does the built in driver for ICH already support to H61? If not, where can I get the driver of H61?
Your reference to ICH8 appears to imply compatibility with ICH8 seems to be a component of the H61. Certainly ICH8 itself is much older than 11.2. I know I installed 11.2 on at least two ICH8 systems, and am running 11.4 to type this on an ICH8-equipped motherboard that had previously used 11.0 and then 11.2, and can still boot them both. If H61 is a problem generally, then Google should be able to find you discussion on the subject, probably on one of the kernel mailing lists if nothing else. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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