Re: [SLE] help me help a linux convert
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 18:11, Pieter Hulshoff wrote:
In esssence, Yast is insisting on shrinking his D: (XP) which, I suppose he is understandably reluctant to do so, and is not letting him install on the 'C:' drive.
I may be able to understand Yast suggesting this (not really actually, but hey:), but there's the option of creating partitions and mount positions in expert mode, right? How does Yast prevent this?
Regards,
Pieter Hulshoff
Thats the problem, he is not 'an expert'.. I see what you are saying tho' I'll try, although the earlier suggestion of created a linux and swap partition may be easier for him... can 'normal' fdisk do this or should I suggest he makes a blank FAT and let Yast shrink/repartition that ? rgds, Pete
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 08 April 2003 12:21 pm, pete atkinson wrote:
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 18:11, Pieter Hulshoff wrote:
In esssence, Yast is insisting on shrinking his D: (XP) which, I suppose he is understandably reluctant to do so, and is not letting him install on the 'C:' drive.
I may be able to understand Yast suggesting this (not really actually, but hey:), but there's the option of creating partitions and mount positions in expert mode, right? How does Yast prevent this?
Regards,
Pieter Hulshoff
Thats the problem, he is not 'an expert'.. I see what you are saying tho'
I'll second that comment and point out that having XP on D: is EXTREMELY odd. (even worse is "nothing at all on C:") This raises red flags in that what is being reported may not be accurate. I would advise a day where you go to your bosses home and physically look at/poke around the computer yourself [you ARE knowledgeable about such pokings, right?] Generally, IDE based systems want to boot from A: or C:; by definition, "A:" is the first floppy drive, and C: is the "first" IDE [or SCSI] drive. Later BIOS's have the option to boot from what is CALLED D:, E:, or F:; which corresponds to the primary drive on the secondary controller followed by the secondary drives on the primary & secondary controllers [PLEASE check that -- it could also be that the order is C1/D1; C1/D2; C2/D1; C2/D2 where C=controller and D=drive] It starts to get fun when you have tertiary controllers or SCSI controllers [with 7 or 15 drives...] - -- Yet another Blog: http://osnut.homelinux.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://osnut.homelinux.net/TomEmerson.asc iD8DBQE+kxeRV/YHUqq2SwsRAl8nAJ9+Q0R19R7xCfxqq1g1CuAwrIKf1gCdHJKW UkQhBwTROlsuGgaFKewYMzU= =zbKQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Even being more cautious, take out the XP disk for the linux install (just put the cables). That way you won't accidentally erase his data. The only downsode is that Suse won't install XP in the GRUB loader automatically. On Tuesday 08 April 2003 14:40, Tom Emerson wrote:
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On Tuesday 08 April 2003 12:21 pm, pete atkinson wrote:
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 18:11, Pieter Hulshoff wrote:
In esssence, Yast is insisting on shrinking his D: (XP) which, I suppose he is understandably reluctant to do so, and is not letting him install on the 'C:' drive.
I may be able to understand Yast suggesting this (not really actually, but hey:), but there's the option of creating partitions and mount positions in expert mode, right? How does Yast prevent this?
Regards,
Pieter Hulshoff
Thats the problem, he is not 'an expert'.. I see what you are saying tho'
I'll second that comment and point out that having XP on D: is EXTREMELY odd. (even worse is "nothing at all on C:") This raises red flags in that what is being reported may not be accurate. I would advise a day where you go to your bosses home and physically look at/poke around the computer yourself [you ARE knowledgeable about such pokings, right?]
Generally, IDE based systems want to boot from A: or C:; by definition, "A:" is the first floppy drive, and C: is the "first" IDE [or SCSI] drive. Later BIOS's have the option to boot from what is CALLED D:, E:, or F:; which corresponds to the primary drive on the secondary controller followed by the secondary drives on the primary & secondary controllers [PLEASE check that -- it could also be that the order is C1/D1; C1/D2; C2/D1; C2/D2 where C=controller and D=drive] It starts to get fun when you have tertiary controllers or SCSI controllers [with 7 or 15 drives...]
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I'll second that comment and point out that having XP on D: is EXTREMELY odd. (even worse is "nothing at all on C:")
yeah, pardon me for jumping in here but, are you certain there is ONLY Xp on this box, at present? IIRC w2k was the first w32 product they claimed would play nicely w/ *others* tho in fact , they only meant other windows products. I'd not be surprised to see Xp install beside some other windows product, but on "d" w/ an other OS ?? It is VERY unWindows like. Esp since the boot sequence is usually set in the bios and gets really cranky when it isn't followed as prescribed. ( I have a floppy , two cd s and then the first scsi disk , for instance. I only have one windows partition in the place and it's on a C:\ location , w. Suse 8.0 having taken over most of the rest of the disk. It gets more and more shrunken each time Suse gets installed, I.e from 7.2 , 7.3 . 8.0 etc.. I suspect it will soon go the way of the DoDo .. which isn't a bad thing in this case <G> -- j Afterthought : Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.
On Tuesday 08 April 2003 03:21 pm, pete atkinson wrote:
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 18:11, Pieter Hulshoff wrote:
In esssence, Yast is insisting on shrinking his D: (XP) which, I suppose he is understandably reluctant to do so, and is not letting him install on the 'C:' drive.
I may be able to understand Yast suggesting this (not really actually, but hey:), but there's the option of creating partitions and mount positions in expert mode, right? How does Yast prevent this?
Regards,
Pieter Hulshoff
Thats the problem, he is not 'an expert'.. I see what you are saying tho' I'll try, although the earlier suggestion of created a linux and swap partition may be easier for him... can 'normal' fdisk do this or should I suggest he makes a blank FAT and let Yast shrink/repartition that ?
rgds, Pete ====================
Pete, First of all I find it unusual that XP is on the second partition (D:) rather than the first (C:)? Maybe that is something new XP does that the other Windows versions did not or maybe I am out of touch with Windows. :o) How far along is he in the XP stuff? Could he possibly start over? Install XP as a FAT32 setup on C:, so he could read & write to the partition, format the second partition (D:) as FAT32 and then install SuSE on the second partition? He should be ok at that point and have a good install. Patrick -- --- KMail v1.5.9.1i --- SuSE Linux Pro v8.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange...
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 14:43, O'Smith wrote:
On Tuesday 08 April 2003 03:21 pm, pete atkinson wrote:
On Tue, 2003-04-08 at 18:11, Pieter Hulshoff wrote:
In esssence, Yast is insisting on shrinking his D: (XP) which, I suppose he is understandably reluctant to do so, and is not letting him install on the 'C:' drive.
Could it be that there is actually only ONE physical harddrive and that is why YaST is having a problem with the partitioning? Remember that *nix does not use drive letters and refers to drives as drives and partitions as opposed to M$ windows that treats each partition as a drive.
I may be able to understand Yast suggesting this (not really actually, but hey:), but there's the option of creating partitions and mount positions in expert mode, right? How does Yast prevent this?
Regards,
Pieter Hulshoff
Thats the problem, he is not 'an expert'.. I see what you are saying tho' I'll try, although the earlier suggestion of created a linux and swap partition may be easier for him... can 'normal' fdisk do this or should I suggest he makes a blank FAT and let Yast shrink/repartition that ?
rgds, Pete ====================
Ken
Op dinsdag 8 april 2003 20:48, schreef Ken Schneider:
Thats the problem, he is not 'an expert'.. I see what you are saying tho' I'll try, although the earlier suggestion of created a linux and swap partition may be easier for him... can 'normal' fdisk do this or should I suggest he makes a blank FAT and let Yast shrink/repartition that ?
Make it yourself easy, use knoppix :) (http://www.knoppix.org) The latest version let you save a 30MB home partition on the windows file system, or if you have one on a USB external memory stick. With the latter he can even use linux at work :) -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless
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