Hi guys, I read: http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=10744 In my young and wreckless days, I pulled my bt848 tv card from a running system (to see what chip it had so that I can insmod the correct module), and put it back. And it workded - still have that card and it's still working. So, with linux's mount/umount tools, I would assume that it's possible for hard drives on this SATA controller too? Hell, if it can be done without windows falling over... :-) What do you guys think? How do you get linux to pick up a hard drive after boot time? Just curious... Thanks -- Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 10:32, Hans du Plooy wrote:
Hi guys,
I read: http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=10744
In my young and wreckless days, I pulled my bt848 tv card from a running system (to see what chip it had so that I can insmod the correct module), and put it back. And it workded - still have that card and it's still working.
So, with linux's mount/umount tools, I would assume that it's possible for hard drives on this SATA controller too? Hell, if it can be done without windows falling over... :-)
What do you guys think?
How do you get linux to pick up a hard drive after boot time?
Just curious... Thanks -- Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
You don't, at least not with a harddrive. -- Ken Schneider unix user since 1989 linux user since 1994 SuSE user since 1998 (6.2)
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 10:53 am, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
On Wed, 2004-03-24 at 10:32, Hans du Plooy wrote:
Hi guys,
I read: http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=10744
In my young and wreckless days, I pulled my bt848 tv card from a running system (to see what chip it had so that I can insmod the correct module), and put it back. And it workded - still have that card and it's still working.
So, with linux's mount/umount tools, I would assume that it's possible for hard drives on this SATA controller too? Hell, if it can be done without windows falling over... :-)
What do you guys think?
How do you get linux to pick up a hard drive after boot time?
Just curious... Thanks -- Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
You don't, at least not with a harddrive.
Eh??? Why not just mount it?? If the drive is not in use, you can unmount it and then mount it again. If it's in use.... you can't unmount it.
-- Ken Schneider unix user since 1989 linux user since 1994 SuSE user since 1998 (6.2)
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 03/24/04 10:59 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "Eschew Obfuscation!"
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 18:00, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 10:53 am, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
I read: http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=10744 [snip] How do you get linux to pick up a hard drive after boot time?
You don't, at least not with a harddrive. Please read the article I noted. It tells you that with this controller, you can stick a SATA hard disc in a running machine and windows will pick it up. I see no reason why linux can't. It's just a matter of how.
Thanks -- Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 11:06 am, Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 18:00, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 10:53 am, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
I read: http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=10744
[snip]
How do you get linux to pick up a hard drive after boot time?
You don't, at least not with a harddrive.
Please read the article I noted. It tells you that with this controller, you can stick a SATA hard disc in a running machine and windows will pick it up. I see no reason why linux can't. It's just a matter of how.
Thanks -- Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
SATA support is not very robust in the 2.4.x kernels. Maybe 2.6.x will do better, but if you won't use 'mount', I don't have much sympathy for you. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 03/24/04 11:42 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "'SEX' is nothing but 'LOVE' misunderstood."
Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 18:00, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 10:53 am, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
I read: http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=10744
[snip]
How do you get linux to pick up a hard drive after boot time?
You don't, at least not with a harddrive.
Please read the article I noted. It tells you that with this controller, you can stick a SATA hard disc in a running machine and windows will pick it up. I see no reason why linux can't. It's just a matter of how.
Thanks
I thought the idea of SATA was that drives could be hotplugged, making it very useful for cloning disks for other boxes and making backups that could be detached and stowed away safely - all without having to take the box down. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer Linux Only Shop.
On Wednesday 24 March 2004 09:26 pm, Sid Boyce wrote:
I thought the idea of SATA was that drives could be hotplugged, making it very useful for cloning disks for other boxes and making backups that could be detached and stowed away safely - all without having to take the box down. Regards Sid.
Someday, maybe. Kernel 2.6.x, Maybe. For now, why can't you accept that SATA is relatively new and linux always has to catch up because vendors won't write the code for their hardware. -- +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ + Bruce S. Marshall bmarsh@bmarsh.com Bellaire, MI 03/24/04 21:38 + +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Rather than a beep Or a rude error message, These words: "File not found."
I thought the idea of SATA was that drives could be hotplugged, making it very useful for cloning disks for other boxes and making backups that could be detached and stowed away safely - all without having to take the box down. Regards Sid. Exactly what I'm suggesting - I just want to know how you would get the kernel (let suppose for the sake of the argument, that hotplugging SATA drive is fully supported under linux, and so are the relevant controllers) to identify
On Thursday 25 March 2004 04:26, Sid Boyce wrote: the drive. Thanks -- Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
Hans du Plooy wrote:
I read: http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=10744
I get nothing but a white page in Mozilla. -- "Surely God would not have created such a being as man to exist only a day! No, no, man was made for immortality." President Abraham Lincoln Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
OK, sorry to all who couldn't get the link I posted. It seems Silicon Image change the location of those pages almost on a daily bases. Here's one way of getting to it: Go to http://www.siimage.com/products/sii3112.asp and click on the red and white support button. This takes you to the Silicon Image support site (wish they would give it a proper domain name so one can go there directly) On the left, click on "Serial ATA" ---> "Controllers" ---> "SiI3112/3112A" ---> (in the main window) "SATA: Hot Plugging Drives under Win2000/XP " This gives you the page I was referring to. Sorry for the confusion Hans On Wednesday 24 March 2004 22:12, Felix Miata wrote:
Hans du Plooy wrote:
I read: http://12.24.47.40/display/2n/kb/article.asp?aid=10744
I get nothing but a white page in Mozilla. -- "Surely God would not have created such a being as man to exist only a day! No, no, man was made for immortality." President Abraham Lincoln
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409
Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/
-- Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 04:33, Hans du Plooy wrote:
OK, sorry to all who couldn't get the link I posted. It seems Silicon Image change the location of those pages almost on a daily bases.
Here's one way of getting to it: Go to http://www.siimage.com/products/sii3112.asp and click on the red and white support button. This takes you to the Silicon Image support site (wish they would give it a proper domain name so one can go there directly) On the left, click on "Serial ATA" ---> "Controllers" ---> "SiI3112/3112A" ---> (in the main window) "SATA: Hot Plugging Drives under Win2000/XP "
This gives you the page I was referring to.
Sorry for the confusion Hans
And how does this help people using linux? This article refers to Win2000/XP. -- Ken Schneider unix user since 1989 linux user since 1994 SuSE user since 1998 (6.2)
On Thursday 25 March 2004 14:18, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
"SiI3112/3112A" ---> (in the main window) "SATA: Hot Plugging Drives under Win2000/XP "
This gives you the page I was referring to.
Sorry for the confusion Hans
And how does this help people using linux?
This article refers to Win2000/XP. That's exactly my question, how would that be done in linux?
Thanks -- Kind regards Hans du Plooy Newington Consulting Services hansdp at newingtoncs dot co dot za
Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Thursday 25 March 2004 14:18, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
"SiI3112/3112A" ---> (in the main window) "SATA: Hot Plugging Drives under Win2000/XP "
This gives you the page I was referring to.
Sorry for the confusion Hans
And how does this help people using linux?
This article refers to Win2000/XP.
That's exactly my question, how would that be done in linux?
Thanks
It seems definitely supported in 2.6.4 kernels with udev, there is also stuff in the hotplug and kernel mailing lists, but I haven't been paying it any attention, there is a summary here of chipsets and their capabilities ... http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2004-02/6813.html It looks like some reading may be in order. In 2.6.x I have both /sys and udev support, but I haven't yet got my head around it, it reads like I could mv /dev, create an empty /dev and udev would create the devices on boot up, something I may test later. "ls /udev" has everything there that's in /dev, seems complicated. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce .... Hamradio G3VBV and keen Flyer Linux Only Shop.
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