Julia Maddocks wrote:

thank you, I have read the files and followed step by step but alas, it doesn't work, I also read the HOWTO, when I evetualy found it and various chapters from books

I've spent the best part of 3 whole days on this, and I must admit I'm beginning to wonder why I bother.

Well Julia, feel welcome in our little club. ;-) For fun, I wanted to set up a DNS server for my (up to 4 machines), a task otherwise easily done by /etc/hosts. Reverse lookups didn't work at all, but I had copied the config from the howto. Days later, I discovered my config lines started with a space (=separator) I have a few handful of further examples. ;-) The *WHY* in my case is extending my knowledge and -yes- fun. Your problem has a few points of uncertainty. Basic network, Samba using encrypted/unencrypted passwords, syntax of commands, accessing Win98 shares or accessing linux shares from win98? I have some experiances accessing WinNT shares, this usually requires a user name. Win98 shares are *not* (in my experiance) user dependent (unless you authenticate against a NT server/domain). You just need a password. With a domain, the -W domainname parameter grants success. (not for smbmount in my case ;-() As Purple Shirt said, we need more specific information. Every time I play with Samba at work, I need some time to find back where I left off last. Do not sell your soul to the evil Empire! (just trying to be funny) Juergen

I'm just trying to use my Linux machine in the peer to peer network I successfully use when I'm running W98

Purple Shirt wrote:

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Hate to be picky but you seem to be approaching the entire issue from the wrong angle. Giving us error output does in itself not help with debugging your problems. We need to see your smb.conf and maybe your permissions on the directories. You haven't even said what you are trying to share if printer or drives and which way.

I really suggest you read these chapters and follow them step by step. O'reilly has it all for you listed what you need to do:

http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba/chapter/book/index.html

mk

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From: Julia Maddocks Reply-To: julia.maddocks@zoom.co.uk To: "suse-linux-e@suse.com" Subject: [SLE] samba Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:26:04 +0000

I get the following error messgae when I try smbstatus:

couldn't open status file /var/lock/samba/STATUS..LCK

why does this happen? Those microsoft shares are looking more and more appealing...

Julia

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On Wed, 28 Feb 2001, Matthew wrote: m> The documentation on a lot of stuff really sucks...Have you totally fixed m> your problem now? I only discovered I could not get mine to work becuase I m> had to set an encrypt password to the file. m> m> Its not the fault the of Linux, just I know the documentation could be a m> little better. Also, with Samba they have to deal with MS who really are m> trying to stop the Samba team from succeeding too much as Linux can replace m> an NT server... m> In alot of cases, the developers get so busy wrting the program they forget to do the documentation, or neglect to mention certain things because they tend tobe more familiar with the program itself. So what they tend to think is common knowledge for a given command or program is a mystery to others who havn't messed with it at all. In these cases, I like to write my own documentation, or modify the existing and forward it onto the developers for inclusing in the next release of whatever. I would recommend this to everyone who thinks the documentation leaves alot to be desired, because without our help the documentation may not change in the next release because the developers are too busy making the programs better/faster/prettier/etc.. :) -- S.Toms - tomas@primenet.com - www.primenet.com/~tomas SuSE Linux v7.0+ - Kernel 2.2.18 "Contrary to popular belief, penguins are not the salvation of modern technology. Neither do they throw parties for the urban proletariat."

that's really a really great idea for people who have the time, or maybe it's part of their job - I use my PC as a tool, have a job which is unrelated to IT and a family, so I need software that I can use without spending hours learning how to use it. This samba thing has made me realise that I'm not sure Linux is for people like me, although I am keen to use an alternative OS to the dreaded W98, I don't have the time to put into learning enough about it to use it to do simple tasks. snip

Yep! So even if you cannot program this will help! Actually, I think we sometimes need more documentors rather than programmers :-).

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In these cases, I like to write my own documentation, or modify the existing and forward it onto the developers for inclusing in the next release of whatever.

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That's a well written statement, Stephen, and good advice. When Linux becomes ready for the "Julias" of the world then, hopfully, they'll drop by in the future to retest the waters. Meanwhile, they'll pay out their hundreds of dollars in software and license fees until Linux and it's desktops catch up. You and I are natural nerds, lots of folks aren't. If a "Julia" type had encountered my recent problem with the Zip100 drive, and desparately needed to install it, they would have been forced back to the dark side. But, of course, there are situations that arise in the WinXX environment that are equally as difficult to overcome, if not more so. I'm currently encountering a Win2000 Pro configuration problem at work that I'm having trouble solving. A simple problem, really, but if you don't know where the special setting is it may as well be nuclear physics. The problem is: I've lost my ability to drag a desktop icon onto the toolbar. The toolbar refuses to accept it. I've looked through all the services, settings, control panels and even used regedit.exe to try and locate a setting in the registry. So far, nada. I'm glad it's not anything major or show stopping, like the time several years ago when, on my NT box, my scsi got crossfooted with my serial port and nothing on earth could switch them. NT offered no way to switch them and saw nothing wrong with that situation! That's when I left NT for Win95 and crash-hell. I upgraded to Win98SE when I had to install a CDRW that the hardware&network support staff where I work gave me so I could burn CDs. It required a USB port, an animal not found on the WIn95. Win98SE was as crash-prone, if not more so, that Win95... I sure missed the stability of NT. Then the HWNT boys gave me a Win2K CD. Now I only crash about once a week and I only reboot two or three times a week when W2K decides it doesn't want to fire exe's any more. By comparison, I installed a SuSE 6.4 at work to handle a mission critical job last September. It has been up 24/7, except for backups and power outages, and hasn't crashed once. But, unlike your opinion in your 1998 'flame bait", I feel that SuSE + KDE2.1 + SO5.2 (no, while KOffice is making fine progress it is not there yet for serious office work- SO is) makes an excellent combination for the large number of Microsufties who are tired of getting gouged and keeping Gates the richest man on the planet. Julia may be an increasingly uncommon exception. JLK On Thursday 01 March 2001 18:01, Steven T. Hatton wrote:

On Thursday 01 March 2001 13:03, Julia Maddocks wrote:

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that's really a really great idea for people who have the time, or maybe it's part of their job - I use my PC as a tool, have a job which is unrelated to IT and a family, so I need software that I can use without spending hours learning how to use it.

This samba thing has made me realise that I'm not sure Linux is for people like me, although I am keen to use an alternative OS to the dreaded W98, I don't have the time to put into learning enough about it to use it to do simple tasks.

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Julia

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Julia,

I could not agree with you more. I spend most of my waking hours working on Linux. I do it because I believe in it, and because I find it challenging. In the past 3 years Linux has come a very long way toward the ease of use you seek. It isn't there yet, and I get discouraged at times. If linux does not serve your immediate needs I sincerely recommend you use what does. It would be complete folly for people to disrupt their lives simply to use Linux - take it from a fool. {;-)>

When I began working with networks and PCs Microsoft was not even a serious player in the networking business. Setting up DOS to connect to a network required playing with autoexec.bat, emm386, config.sys, ODI drivers, memory exclusions and etc. Other companies such as Novell published their protocols so that other vendors could interoperate with them. This made it easy(sic) for Microsoft to connect its computers to a real network operating system. Networking capability was one of the things that made the PC become so popular, and Microsoft so rich. As soon as Microsoft figured out how to build their own network OS, they did so. Unfortunately the stabbed their erstwhile collaborators in the back, and did not openly publish their protocols. Furthermore, they have often adapt technologies which have been created by industry wide cooperation and modify it just enough to make their implementation incomputable with others who are true to the standards.

It's better that you do what is best for your life today, and not kill yourself with Linux. All I would ask is that you check back every once in a while to see if things have gotten better. I truly admire the effort you have put into this. Some people in the Linux community think the fact that people such as you give up is some kind of evidence that you are not as good as them. This has been true of the Unix community for as long as there has been a Microsoft. This attitude is called arrogance, and it is the reason Bill Gates is the wealthiest man in history.

Here, note the date on this message: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde&m=90349986314191&w=2

Please remember some of us who spend countless hours working on these systems do so in order to provide you with a system that works the way you want it to.

Steve

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 jfweber@eternal.net wrote:

** from the outer limits of space and time electrons arranged themselves into a message from "S.Toms" on Wed, 28 Feb 2001 18:40:23 -0800 (PST) Earth Standard Time

Are three lines of nonsense really necessary?

afterthought--- Two things came out of Berkley - AIX and ACID. Coincidence?

Huh? AIX has nothing to do with Berkeley. AIX was derived from SVR2 by IBM in 1986 long after Berkeley started developing the other major UNIX branch of 1BSD in 1978. And I don't think ACID came out of Berkeley, either, I believe it came out of Harvard (but I don't know my ACID history very well). FWIW, *BSDs, SunOS, QNX, and Irix are mostly BSD based. And Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and UnixWare are mostly SysV based. However, AIX has had little influence from SysV for so long that at this point it really is it's own UNIX-like OS. Greg

On Thu, 1 Mar 2001 jfweber@eternal.net wrote:

** from the outer limits of space and time electrons arranged themselves into a message from Greg Thomas on Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:00:32 -0800 (PST) Earth Standard Timme

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Are three lines of nonsense really necessary?

well. that's what it turns into if you want to accomodate people who prefer a 72 character wide message. It is in fact, one line at the top and one line at the bottom. Since I dont put all the promotional stuff into a signature that some do , I feel more than entitilede to add a tagline. They aren't always funnny, but heck, most of the sigs aren't funny either! !!

That's for sure. One of the many reasons I'll be unsubscribing. The last time I unsubscribed was because I was overworked and had no time to follow the list. This time I'll be unsubscribing because there is far too much Christian proselytizing and too little netiquette on this list, and on top of it after 5 years I'm not sure that I'm going to continue using Linux. Mac OS X on a G4 or Solaris 8 on a $1000 Sun Blade 100 is sounding mighty fine to me.

And, may I suggest ,it isn't nice to make cracks at someone who has already mentioned today that she is ready to go postal on the universe ( bloody doctors and their messing about w/ Rxs that their screwups make necessary)

Even with my additional time to peruse the list I didn't see that mention.

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Huh? AIX has nothing to do with Berkeley. AIX was derived from SVR2 by IBM in 1986 long after Berkeley started developing the other major UNIX branch of 1BSD in 1978. And I don't think ACID came out of Berkeley, either, I believe it came out of Harvard (but I don't know my ACID history very well).

It WAS a tagline, okay??? I dont write em, tehy come w/ the mail proggy and like teh newest versions of Yast2 are updated mostly automagically.

I hope it's not fortune because the contributors to fortune have lost my respect if so.

Apparently you are having a bad day also , no???

It was passible, not too bad.

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Huh? AIX has nothing to do with Berkeley. AIX was derived from SVR2 by IBM in 1986 long after Berkeley started developing the other major UNIX

I believe teh guy who was lead on the IBM devwelopment team got started at Berkeley ... FWIW , Acid did start , as in was devloped ( physical chemical patentable drug ) at Harvard, but Berkeley Made teh most of it in thier heyday as genreal agitators and place for rich kids to pretend to be revolutioneries while spending pots of daddies money on pot, and other potables! Life's a beach, ya know? Get over it... <g>

Adieux, Greg

jfweber@eternal.net wrote:

** from the outer limits of space and time electrons arranged themselves into a message from Greg Thomas on Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:00:32 -0800 (PST) Earth Standard Time

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Are three lines of nonsense really necessary?

was it necessary to post this twice?? Who knows .. but the Wheel of Karma must have had a reason , or the Gods are all sleeping , or life wouldn't be so crummy today. I'm taking a "do over" tomorrow. Do over a screwed up install ( it doesn't see to LIKE the nvidia Rave 64 AT ALL!. It only allows a root login to do anythign EXCEPT the business of adding users changing password ( not even root can change a pword!!!) AND then... it wipes out soemwher along the way and startx doesn't work ... yast 1 doesn't come up ... and most of the folkders are empty of content ( Saw that before it ate itself! )

I used to have a simular thing w/ 7.0 , but if I installed it w/out the 3d package, it would install , and surprisingly would give me opengl 3d w/o my asking again???!!

also for the rest of you having problems w/ it doind the updates w/ yast 2 doesn't help much. BUT, I figured out what was causing the "fade to black when I'd press one of the arrows in the "test configuration" Dont hold them down, just click and let upm they will actually move teh thing, center it, stretch it or whatever is needed , but holding it down ( any arrow on the screen) will make it go to black, adn sometimes it never comes back... <sigh>

Tomorrow , a pair of new video cards for home??? UGH!!! That's going to cause some crankiness at table ! Anyone have suggestions for a nicely behaved reletively innexpensive vidiot card?? SAy under $150, and anyone wawnt ot tell me what is a nicely behaved high end ( for moi , I pay for it , keeps the complaints to a minimum! OR better yet, is it posible there will be a fix available .. like NOW!!! <VBG>

PMS anyone!! Bloody doctors!

j

afterthought--- I saw this in a cartoon once, but I think I can do it ...

Is this of any help? http://portal.suse.de/en/content.php?3occccccccccccccccccccaccccccccccocccccccococcccccccccccccccc&content/hardware/nvidia71.html

**ALERT** **ALERT** **TECHNICAL QUESTION** I am working in an office for a couple of months and I want to connect my laptop to the local windows network. I want to be able to view shared folders on the network (peer-to-peer TCP/IP win98) and to be able to access the shared HP laser printer. I don't need to give anyone access to my computer. Should I be looking to samba to solve this or should I be looking elsewhere? TIA, Jethro

Jethro Cramp wrote:

**ALERT** **ALERT** **TECHNICAL QUESTION**

I am working in an office for a couple of months and I want to connect my laptop to the local windows network. I want to be able to view shared folders on the network (peer-to-peer TCP/IP win98) and to be able to access the shared HP laser printer.

I don't need to give anyone access to my computer.

Should I be looking to samba to solve this or should I be looking elsewhere?

TIA,

Jethro

yes. Samba coems with a bunch of tools / programs to work the other direction, namely from linux to windows. like smbmount, smbclient. be careful with the term smbmount, since SMB shares can be mounted directly now. Dig the man pages. ;-) Juergen

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I just did Samba. There are a number of gotcha's with it, and things that are weird. It took me the longest time to figure out how it was getting the username. I'm still not sure I fully understand. Well, check out my website (www.forsitesolutions.com/Techstuff/samba.html). It's new and a bit rough, but you might find a clue to your riddle in there. Otherwise, I suggest telling the list what you have done until now- in a short pithy series of steps. Also you might try posting the the linux.samba newsgroup... more expertise is there... And finally, you are very patient, but I suggest sending email after only 1 day. Otherwise you will run out of patience and throw in the towel. Not that I would blame you...

thank you, I have read the files and followed step by step but alas, it doesn't work, I also read the HOWTO, when I evetualy found it and various chapters from books

I've spent the best part of 3 whole days on this, and I must admit I'm beginning to wonder why I bother.

I'm just trying to use my Linux machine in the peer to peer network I successfully use when I'm running W98

Purple Shirt wrote:

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