[opensuse] VNC Remote Install on 11.0 Broken

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Andrew Joakimsen

20 Jun 2008 20 Jun '08

21:07

I've tried on openSUSE 11.0 to install via VNC. Simply added vnc=1 to the startup options, it detects the network via DHCP and then says "Starting VNC viewer... when Yast is finished close your VNC viewer and return to this window" I can then connect via VNC and am prompted for the password. The VNC session immediately closes and some messages are flashed on the screen too quick to read and I am taken to the blue installation menu. I can try again but the same thing happens. I am installing via VNC only and not SSH because I have secure access to that network already so there's no point in complicating matters further and using VNC over SSH. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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Ciro Iriarte

21 Jun 21 Jun

03:14

2008/6/20 Andrew Joakimsen :

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I've tried on openSUSE 11.0 to install via VNC. Simply added vnc=1 to the startup options, it detects the network via DHCP and then says "Starting VNC viewer... when Yast is finished close your VNC viewer and return to this window"

I can then connect via VNC and am prompted for the password. The VNC session immediately closes and some messages are flashed on the screen too quick to read and I am taken to the blue installation menu. I can try again but the same thing happens.

I am installing via VNC only and not SSH because I have secure access to that network already so there's no point in complicating matters further and using VNC over SSH.

Did you define a password for it? Ciro -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Andrew Joakimsen

22 Jun 22 Jun

05:29

I did not use any parameter except adding "vnc=1" but it did prompt immediately for a password. There is no error on the screen until AFTER I connect, enter the password, the screen shows up for 1/2 second and then goes away and then the console on the local PC displays the error. On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Ciro Iriarte wrote:

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2008/6/20 Andrew Joakimsen :

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I've tried on openSUSE 11.0 to install via VNC. Simply added vnc=1 to the startup options, it detects the network via DHCP and then says "Starting VNC viewer... when Yast is finished close your VNC viewer and return to this window"

I can then connect via VNC and am prompted for the password. The VNC session immediately closes and some messages are flashed on the screen too quick to read and I am taken to the blue installation menu. I can try again but the same thing happens.

I am installing via VNC only and not SSH because I have secure access to that network already so there's no point in complicating matters further and using VNC over SSH.

Did you define a password for it?

Ciro

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Brian K. White

18:08

----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Joakimsen" To: "Ciro Iriarte" Cc: "opensuse" Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] VNC Remote Install on 11.0 Broken

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I did not use any parameter except adding "vnc=1" but it did prompt immediately for a password.

There is no error on the screen until AFTER I connect, enter the password, the screen shows up for 1/2 second and then goes away and then the console on the local PC displays the error.

You need at minimum: vnc=1 vncpassword=something Where did you learn about vnc=1 and it didn't also show you vncpassword=foo ? -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Andrew Joakimsen

19:08

If you set vnc=1 only it then ASKS FOR THE PASSWORD. What is the logic that if you do not define vnclassword=foo, the software prompts for the password yet still it does not work because vncpassword=foo was not defined? On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Joakimsen" To: "Ciro Iriarte" Cc: "opensuse" Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] VNC Remote Install on 11.0 Broken

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I did not use any parameter except adding "vnc=1" but it did prompt immediately for a password.

There is no error on the screen until AFTER I connect, enter the password, the screen shows up for 1/2 second and then goes away and then the console on the local PC displays the error.

You need at minimum: vnc=1 vncpassword=something

Where did you learn about vnc=1 and it didn't also show you vncpassword=foo ?

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Andrew Joakimsen

26 Jun 26 Jun

16:44

I tried vnc=1 vncpassword=caballo1 and still it does the same thing, so that is not the problem. On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Joakimsen" To: "Ciro Iriarte" Cc: "opensuse" Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] VNC Remote Install on 11.0 Broken

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I did not use any parameter except adding "vnc=1" but it did prompt immediately for a password.

There is no error on the screen until AFTER I connect, enter the password, the screen shows up for 1/2 second and then goes away and then the console on the local PC displays the error.

You need at minimum: vnc=1 vncpassword=something

Where did you learn about vnc=1 and it didn't also show you vncpassword=foo ?

-- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk!

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Brian K. White

17:58

Yes I tested myself and also verified. Install via vnc is definitely broken. I hope someone bugzilla'd it. I haven't. Mostly because I have little use for / see little point in the vnc option anyways other than slick eye candy for sales people to show off to the easily impressed by shiny objects. Text is a zillion times faster and works via serial console or ssh and the client side can be anything like even a text only console of some unix/linux box or any kind of xterm or telnet/ssh client anywhere. As common as vnc clients are, they do still require more than telnet/ssh. I can perform an ssh or srial console install from my laptop while only connected to the net via my cell phone. That would be quite painful via vnc and I doubt I would even actually manage to complete the install without the connection breaking and losing everything. And in the case of ssh you can have multiple shells open into the install system to do manual things behind the scenes like set up drives and clone one drives partitioning to 11 other drives in a flash non-interactively with sfdisk instead of all that clicking in the gui partitioner (when setting up software raid on a lot of drives) , manipulating /etc/hosts to force a preconfigured install source url to resolve to some local ip just temporarily, manually assemble unsupported raid arrangements like raid10, etc... Now if they want to make a remote install method that looks pretty, make it web based. Not the java vnc client. That will have all the same speed and client requirements problems. I mean cgis and efficient html style sheets such that most of the graphics get actually transferred once and then most come out of browser cache the rest of the session, and every other available technique to minimize net traffic and maximize client compatibility (don't require flash and don't use java too heavily, etc...) I should be able to do it from Blazer on Palm, or dillo or arachne or maybe even lynx though I'm not sure why I wouldn't just use ssh in that case. -- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Joakimsen" To: "Brian K. White" Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] VNC Remote Install on 11.0 Broken

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I tried vnc=1 vncpassword=caballo1 and still it does the same thing, so that is not the problem.

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Joakimsen" To: "Ciro Iriarte" Cc: "opensuse" Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] VNC Remote Install on 11.0 Broken

...
I did not use any parameter except adding "vnc=1" but it did prompt immediately for a password.

There is no error on the screen until AFTER I connect, enter the password, the screen shows up for 1/2 second and then goes away and then the console on the local PC displays the error.

You need at minimum: vnc=1 vncpassword=something

Where did you learn about vnc=1 and it didn't also show you vncpassword=foo ?

-- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk!

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Andrew Joakimsen

1 Jul 1 Jul

10:15

Yep. Playing "WORKSFORME" ^ "REOPEN" hell right now lets see how far this goes. I guess its marginally better than outright saying they won't fix bugs. On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

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Yes I tested myself and also verified. Install via vnc is definitely broken.

I hope someone bugzilla'd it. I haven't. Mostly because I have little use for / see little point in the vnc option anyways other than slick eye candy for sales people to show off to the easily impressed by shiny objects.

Text is a zillion times faster and works via serial console or ssh and the client side can be anything like even a text only console of some unix/linux box or any kind of xterm or telnet/ssh client anywhere. As common as vnc clients are, they do still require more than telnet/ssh. I can perform an ssh or srial console install from my laptop while only connected to the net via my cell phone. That would be quite painful via vnc and I doubt I would even actually manage to complete the install without the connection breaking and losing everything. And in the case of ssh you can have multiple shells open into the install system to do manual things behind the scenes like set up drives and clone one drives partitioning to 11 other drives in a flash non-interactively with sfdisk instead of all that clicking in the gui partitioner (when setting up software raid on a lot of drives) , manipulating /etc/hosts to force a preconfigured install source url to resolve to some local ip just temporarily, manually assemble unsupported raid arrangements like raid10, etc...

Now if they want to make a remote install method that looks pretty, make it web based. Not the java vnc client. That will have all the same speed and client requirements problems. I mean cgis and efficient html style sheets such that most of the graphics get actually transferred once and then most come out of browser cache the rest of the session, and every other available technique to minimize net traffic and maximize client compatibility (don't require flash and don't use java too heavily, etc...) I should be able to do it from Blazer on Palm, or dillo or arachne or maybe even lynx though I'm not sure why I wouldn't just use ssh in that case.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Joakimsen" To: "Brian K. White" Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [opensuse] VNC Remote Install on 11.0 Broken

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I tried vnc=1 vncpassword=caballo1 and still it does the same thing, so that is not the problem.

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Brian K. White wrote:

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Joakimsen" To: "Ciro Iriarte" Cc: "opensuse" Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] VNC Remote Install on 11.0 Broken

...
I did not use any parameter except adding "vnc=1" but it did prompt immediately for a password.

There is no error on the screen until AFTER I connect, enter the password, the screen shows up for 1/2 second and then goes away and then the console on the local PC displays the error.

You need at minimum: vnc=1 vncpassword=something

Where did you learn about vnc=1 and it didn't also show you vncpassword=foo ?

-- Brian K. White brian@aljex.com http://www.myspace.com/KEYofR +++++[>+++[>+++++>+++++++<<-]<-]>>+.>.+++++.+++++++.-.[>+<---]>++. filePro BBx Linux SCO FreeBSD #callahans Satriani Filk!

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