Sorry... didn't mean that to come across too harshly... the distro usually goes onto the ftp site about 1 to 2 months after it's released. If you like the product, it really helps all of us if we all support them... and of course we do that by buying their products. Aloha and Mahalo. - Herman Beau E. Cox wrote:

Yeah - OK - I'll buy it - Thanks Herman.

Aloha => Beau.

-----Original Message----- From: Herman Knief [mailto:herman@knief.net] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:04 PM To: Beau E. Cox Cc: Suse-Linux-E Subject: Re: [SLE] when will 8.1 be available on the ftp site

Not for a while.... why don't you support them and buy it!

- Herman

Beau E. Cox wrote:

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Hi -

Does anyone know when 8.1 will be available for download on the suse ftp site? I can't find it...

Aloha => Beau.

-- "DRM... Digitally Retarded Media - content that cannot reach its full potential because of artificial restraints."

The only REAL problem that has surfaced is with *some* interactions with Java... namely the Java plugin for browsers and a few Java apps that tend to make system calls back to the OS. As everyone else is switching to gcc 3.2 (even Sun now has gcc 3.2 as part of their contrib. packages), I am sure it will be only a short time before the issue of having a JRE/JDK complied with 3.2 is available. Besides this, 8.1 is actually very nice and the fact that it is built with gcc 3.2 offers a lot of performance benefits (3.2 is just a better compiler.) If you really need Java to work... then yes, maybe you should stick with 8.0 for now. Otherwise, there is nothing to hold you back. - Herman Doug McGarrett wrote:

On Monday 07 October 2002 22:45, Beau E. Cox wrote:

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Yeah - OK - I'll buy it - Thanks Herman.

Aloha => Beau.

-----Original Message----- From: Herman Knief [mailto:herman@knief.net] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 4:04 PM To: Beau E. Cox Cc: Suse-Linux-E Subject: Re: [SLE] when will 8.1 be available on the ftp site

Not for a while.... why don't you support them and buy it!

- Herman

Beau E. Cox wrote:

...

Hi -

Does anyone know when 8.1 will be available for download on the suse ftp site? I can't find it...

Aloha => Beau.

From what I have been reading on this list, probably nobody should buy it. I know new releases tend to have bugs, but this is a dot release--it should have killed the bugs. I think SuSE screwed up badly, and we should all wait for version 8.2, or just use the 8.0 version for quite a while. --doug

-- "DRM... Digitally Retarded Media - content that cannot reach its full potential because of artificial restraints."

* Preston Crawford (prestonc@crawfordsolutions.com) [021008 05:11]: :: :: ::On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Doug McGarrett wrote: :: ::> >From what I have been reading on this list, probably nobody should buy it. ::> I know new releases tend to have bugs, but this is a dot release--it should ::> have killed the bugs. I think SuSE screwed up badly, and we should all ::> wait for version 8.2, or just use the 8.0 version for quite a while. --doug :: ::Better yet. If you're selling your distro SOLELY, for $80, don't expect me ::to pay $80 to be your guinea pig. That's the kind of stuff Mandrake or Red ::Hat can get away with cause you can burn the discs and then throw it away ::if it's critically broken. You'd expect better for a distro that's only ::available by paying $80. Don't pay $80. Pay $49.95 for the upgrade which is the Pro edition w/ the books. Seriously. Please let me take back the bitching I did (minus the JAVA stuff). It was my crapass CDROM that caused 99% of my problems. Well..that's my 2 cents. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

* Herman Knief (herman@knief.net) [021008 05:20]: ::Yeah... smack Ben, not SuSE. :: :::-) I'm kidding Ben. We Bay Area SuSE users gotta stick together. Well..yeah. Why the hell don't we have a Bay Area SuSE users group...or do we all just hate each other but won't admit it. *laugh* -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

I counted 6 in the last round of SLE complaints and comments at least. :) * Herman Knief (herman@knief.net) [021008 05:29]: ::> ::Good question... I wonder how many of us there are? :: -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

* Konstantin (Kastus) Shchuka (kastus@tsoft.com) [021008 06:26]: ::On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 05:31:40AM -0700, Ben Rosenberg wrote: ::> I counted 6 in the last round of SLE complaints and comments at least. :) :: ::Did you count me Ben? I am in Walnut Creek. I mean I want to be counted ::as a Bay area SuSE user and not because I complained ;-) :: ::BTW, what happened to your clock? Did a fresh 8.1 install and forgot to copy back my ntp.conf file. oops. I just didn't notice because for the last 4 hours I've been looking out my window at the clock shop across the street. They have a huge clock that I can see. oops again. :) Yes, I counted you..even though you live all the way over on the otherside of the mountain..evil..evil tunnel. ;) -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.

* Doug McGarrett (dougmack@i-2000.com) [021008 04:31]: :: ::From what I have been reading on this list, probably nobody should buy it. ::I know new releases tend to have bugs, but this is a dot release--it should ::have killed the bugs. I think SuSE screwed up badly, and we should all ::wait for version 8.2, or just use the 8.0 version for quite a while. --doug :: Well, you can ignore most of my bitching about 8.1 with the acception of the Mozilla issue which is Sun's fault for not open sourcing Java so it could be tailored to the persons needs such as compiling it with GCC 3.2 My issues were just a frelled up install from a CDROM that looks as if it was dying. I replaced the Acer 40x I had with a Creative 52x and the install went off without a hitch...well accept that I'm getting to damn old to go through all those damn packages. *laugh* I think it was also partly because the first round of install put the k_deflt kernel in..while the second install put the k_athlon pkg in. I have a Duron which has the same core as the Athlon which makes sense it would use the k_athlon kernel. I have a fresh install and all seems well. -- Ben Rosenberg ---===---===---===--- mailto:ben@whack.org Tell me what you believe.. I tell you what you should see.