Info only. I belong to three linux lists that ban posting with lookout and lookout xpress. IMHO, they are wrong. We need to be inclusive. Bring people in, and show

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I frankly don't know what the big deal about top posting is ....... If I am following a thread I know pretty well what is going on and as a reader of posts I find it irritating having to scroll down very far to read the relevant content of the post. Intelligent quoting goes with bottom posting ...... The way most people quote it's a pain in the butt to scroll down trying to find what they are saying, especially when it amounts to a sentence here and a sentence there interspersed within a bunch of quoted material. I will always top post because that is the way I prefer to read a post .... I can always reference the material below if necessary. Guess I have that defective gene! Fortunately the email Nazis are not yet in control to the degree that I have ever been bounced for top posting! ........ If you need reference quotes ..... read all the previous posts on this subject It was not worth the bother of repeating them.... There are a number of superior mail clients for windows. I have tried virtually all of them and find Calypsomail to be the best of the lot for various reasons... mainly because I can shut off HTML and prevent scripts from running..... Send me a post in HTML and it gets trashed without being opened unless I have a damn good reason to open it. As a user in transition I use Windows for my mail to prevent the chaos of having mail saved in a bunch of different programs. Occasionally I use one of the Linux programs if I have downloaded mail recently and the probability of something important coming through is low. I suspect quite a few others do the same. I would dearly love to have a Linux version of Calypso ..... I think I'll try it under WINE tonight. H.W.

On Friday 30 January 2004 12:03 am, Charles Philip Chan wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:43:36 -0700

This is where trimming comes in. The prefered style is:

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relevant excerpt 1 response to excerpt

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relevant excerpt 2 response to excerpt

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relevant excerpt 3 response to excerpt

I agree. It's a style I learned not by reading any standard but by imitating practice that I found made it easy to read posts. Personally I'm pretty aggressive in my trimming and even use [paraphrases in brackets] to enable me to trim even more (a common practice in print media). Paul Abrahams

On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 03:56:40PM -0500 or thereabouts, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Gary [01-27-04 15:51]:

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http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

These should be required modifications of lookout on penalty of .....

LOL .. .exactly... make it monetary, and give it to that author <g> -- Gary Super Time-Saver now loading. Please wait.......

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:13:31 +0000 Vince Littler wrote:

but I do feel that a good strategy is to get people to a place where their window$ and Linux coexist in peace on the same pc and then let Linux build their confidence at their pace.

Totally agreed. but we can steer them to better mailers than Outhouse and Outhouse Express, such as Pegasus Mail, Eudora, the Bat!, etc... Charles -- Your job is being a professor and researcher: That's one hell of a good excuse for some of the brain-damages of minix. (Linus Torvalds to Andrew Tanenbaum)

-----Original Message----- From: Patrick Shanahan [mailto:paka@wahoo.no-ip.org]

* Ben Yau [01-27-04 17:23]:

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text, add all the ">" in manually, and cut and paste back to the editor.

*sigh*

Your efforts are appreciated and your style is applaudable.

thanks,

Thanks :) To my wife my efforts are quite laughable. Just picture me at home replying to email and busily doing my repetitive quoting routine: Type the ">", down key, left key, type the ">", down key, left key, (repeat for as many lines are in the email) And she'll just watch me and laugh. I should look into those quoting extensions posted earlier in the thread. Re: your earlier post about company time, I only subscribe to these mailing lists from my company account and read them on company time. As someone else mentioned, considering the job is supporting debian, I would say this is work related. Interesting thread :) Cheers everybody- Ben Yau

Hello Ben, Tuesday, January 27, 2004, 5:22:41 PM, you wrote: BY> However, the difficulty comes when someone writes in HTML. If someone BY> writes me in HTML, I cannot force MS O[E] to respond in straight text, only BY> HTML. In which case believe it or not if I really wnat to reply to the list BY> and it's a short post I'm replying to I cut and paste the post to straight text, add all the ">>" in manually, and cut and text, add all the ">>paste back to the editor. I know I ran into this problem some time ago, and continually educate our clients how to dispense with the HTML... OEXP 6: - After clicking "reply" to an HTML message, click on "Format" -> "Plain Text" Outlook 2003: - After clicking "reply" to an HTML message, There should be a little dropdown menu in your toolbar, change "HTML" to "Plain Text" I don't have access to older versions of these MUAs (nor do I use them myself) so I cannot comment on them, unfortunately. However, I do believe converting HTML to plain text was an option in previous versions. Can anyone else shed some light on older MS MUAs? -- Best regards, Brian Curtis