On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 22:25 -0200, Druid wrote:

On 11/3/07, Aniruddha wrote:

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Sorry for top posting but this an perfect example I just received in my mailbox:

Go away, already. If you were to leave, you could leave, and not send offtopic emails to this list. Just go.

The least I could do is let the people of the Dutch Wiki and the Dutch mailing list know that I wouldn't be able help any longer. Plus I would like to thank the people who have helped me. This has do to with manners apparently a concept that is alien to you.

They cited you did lots of things, let me cite one thing you did not: you didnt let those who were working do their work without being bothered. Because you were bothering people that were doing some work in opensuse. I was afraid you could not be aware of that, so I had to say, loud and clear.

Interesting point. How do you bother someone on a mailing list? If you you don't want to bothered you can: a) not reply b) unsubscribe

And if that is going to stop by you leaving, I couldnt be more pleased. Have a lot of fun, in whatever distro you are going to pester from now on.

Best regards.

Marcio

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On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 23:00 -0200, Druid wrote:

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The least I could do is let the people of the Dutch Wiki and the Dutch mailing list know that I wouldn't be able help any longer. Plus I would

No, it seems you wanted just to play the victim and spam the link of the discussion in the packman list.

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like to thank the people who have helped me. This has do to with manners apparently a concept that is alien to you.

Interesting point. How do you bother someone on a mailing list? If you you don't want to bothered you can:

I knew something wasnt clear. This is how you bother people in a list: i) you join an specific list you have no idea about the topic, the work of the people, what they are doing, then ii) you start talking in a demaning ways giving orders, thinking you know too much, that you are the salvation of the planet, thinking everybody has to assist you and agree with you right away, and abusing the lists, and criticising people's work even if you havent even dont anything about it. iii) you with your demands wants to give orders to people, teaching their jobs, but the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about makes it even more outrageous to the fellas in the list, and then the people get annoyed at you and finally iv) after all that, and after doing those steps in a couple of lists of opensuse, you come here trying to play the victim, being the drama queen because finally someone put some truth in your eyes, and forced you to see it

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a) not reply b) unsubscribe

You said you were going to leave. Keep up your word.

Best regards.

Marcio

I, and I suspect a number of other people, have NO IDEA what you guys are talking about. Can you take your bickering elsewhere so we don't get over cluttered here with our mailboxes? -- ---Bryen--- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

David C. Rankin wrote:

Aniruddha wrote:

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Sorry for top posting but this an perfect example I just received in my mailbox:

-------- Forwarded Message -------- From: martin glazer To: Aniruddha Subject: Re: [opensuse] Bye all Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:04:59 -0700 (PDT)

GO AWAY ALREADY

If it's all the same, I kinda liked you. Top posts and all. Just remember, if people were actually shot for top posting the Armenian Genocide would pale by comparison.

If you do go, the sad part is, you will not find a better distro no matter how hard you look. Software (I've tried just about all of them) or community (on balance).

Give things a day or two and then you make an informed decision. This is a great community.

an aside, mindless dribble or philosophy, you decide: "remember there are assholes in every group, the bigger the group, the more assholes there are..." (not directed to anyone in particular)

I fully agree and the secret is to not let them bother you. On a side note: If I look at the packman mail dialogue that the OP cited, I come to think that some people are crazy, to say the very least: You reasonably cannot expect service levels, immediate support, security policies and much more, anything delivered immediately and for free, since this is Linux and therfore it needs to be for free... If you need such features, you either need to use an enterprise distribution and pay for what you get or you better stay with Windows, where you get what you deserve. ;-) just my $0.02 regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Michael Skiba wrote:

Am Sonntag, 4. November 2007 12:21:54 schrieb Eberhard Roloff:

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On a side note: If I look at the packman mail dialogue that the OP cited, I come to think that some people are crazy, to say the very least: You reasonably cannot expect service levels, immediate support, security policies and much more, anything delivered immediately and for free, since this is Linux and therfore it needs to be for free...

If you need such features, you either need to use an enterprise distribution and pay for what you get or you better stay with Windows, where you get what you deserve. ;-)

Afaik his needs are satisfied, however he (and that's a very good behaviour imho!) needs to know the facts to give his customers (honest) advices. I'd be happy to have such a salesman whose advices I can trust.

He asked a clear and polite question(he also revealed his honest motivations to ask such a question), so I actually think the reply on the Packman ML is a bit overreacted (at least the first one). It's not the problem that we'd expect a 100% secured repo - but he wanted to get the facts straight to give rational advices - and I think that's ok.

It definitely is, and I fully agree with you. Only from time to time, I wonder whether some people's expectations are set justly. Imho especially in the open source field, some people occasionally confuse free software (as in free speech) with free services (as in free beer), and imho it simply does not work like this. If you are in need to get a salesman "like this" whose advice you can trust, just let me now. regards Eberhard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Eberhard Roloff wrote:

If you need such features, you either need to use an enterprise distribution and pay for what you get or you better stay with Windows, where you get what you deserve. ;-)

just my $0.02 regards Eberhard

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