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M Harris

3 May 2007 3 May '07

04:42

On Wednesday 02 May 2007 13:49, Carl Spitzer wrote:

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Its also part of the political correctness movement which is unamerican and unconstitutional. There is no right to not be offended. You might be interested in the book, "No More Bullies," by Frank Peretti.

Your statement is patently false... some of us believe that we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights... that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Whether you like it or not there must be limits for decencies that respect the sensibilities of masses of people unitied for the purpose of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Yes--- we do have personal rights to a decent protection against attack... sexual, verbal, physical, &etc. All human beings have this right--- whether their national constitution spells it out or not. Dehumanizing attacks intended to demean, inflame, (pick your word), are a violation of basic human rights... against basic human sensibilities. Its not about PC, or liberalism... I generally recoil at liberalism (registered Republican). However, I do believe that freedom of speech carries with it responsibility of speech. As for boys needing to grow up to be insensitive... that kind of thinking led to the Columbine shooting... it also led to the VT shooting... and it will continue to lead to shootings... until folks get it through their head that insensitivity (and probably bullying) is what makes the difference for a Seung Hui Cho. Please take a look at Peretti's book--- its an eye opener. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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G T Smith

3 May 3 May

08:58

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 M Harris wrote:

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On Wednesday 02 May 2007 13:49, Carl Spitzer wrote:

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Its also part of the political correctness movement which is unamerican and unconstitutional. There is no right to not be offended. You might be interested in the book, "No More Bullies," by Frank Peretti.

Your statement is patently false... some of us believe that we are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights... that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Whether you like it or not there must be limits for decencies that respect the sensibilities of masses of people unitied for the purpose of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Yes--- we do have personal rights to a decent protection against attack... sexual, verbal, physical, &etc. All human beings have this right--- whether their national constitution spells it out or not. Dehumanizing attacks intended to demean, inflame, (pick your word), are a violation of basic human rights... against basic human sensibilities. Its not about PC, or liberalism... I generally recoil at liberalism (registered Republican). However, I do believe that freedom of speech carries with it responsibility of speech.

As for boys needing to grow up to be insensitive... that kind of thinking led to the Columbine shooting... it also led to the VT shooting... and it will continue to lead to shootings... until folks get it through their head that insensitivity (and probably bullying) is what makes the difference for a Seung Hui Cho.

Please take a look at Peretti's book--- its an eye opener.

Please.., please... it may have escaped your notice that many of the list are (thankfully) not citizens of the USA, and are not (yet) subject to what passes for US law... Although the political antics of our ex-colonials sometimes give us brits (and the rest of world) some amusement this is not really the list to debate US domestic politics and morality. Anymore than is the list to discuss TB or the French election. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGOaQ+asN0sSnLmgIRAr+VAKCg71+tLPxDDsSHkAoXoNGEm/VuUQCfd5uo GvCw7Gd/WOjGPXC3EGSgU34= =y4wK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

8 May 8 May

02:28

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On Thursday 03 May 2007 03:58, G T Smith wrote:

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Please.., please... it may have escaped your notice that many of the list are (thankfully) not citizens of the USA, and are not (yet) subject to what passes for US law...

Well, GT... ... you might want to read this... http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer). -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Pueblo Native

02:38

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M Harris wrote:

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On Thursday 03 May 2007 03:58, G T Smith wrote:

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Please.., please... it may have escaped your notice that many of the list are (thankfully) not citizens of the USA, and are not (yet) subject to what passes for US law...

Well, GT...

... you might want to read this...

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html

This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

03:18

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On Monday 07 May 2007 19:38, Pueblo Native wrote:

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This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the right. RRS -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis

03:55

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday 07 May 2007 19:38, Pueblo Native wrote:

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This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer). Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the right.

Ah yes, as if the Left and their "free speech for me, but not for thee" and other policies aren't hypocritical. Randally, you too can feel free to shut the fuck up until you know what the fuck you're talking about. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

G T Smith

10:18

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday 07 May 2007 19:38, Pueblo Native wrote:

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This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the right.

Ah yes, as if the Left and their "free speech for me, but not for thee" and other policies aren't hypocritical.

Randally, you too can feel free to shut the fuck up until you know what the fuck you're talking about.

I would suggest you keep taking the medication :-) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGQE52asN0sSnLmgIRAgRIAJ96SijgUwTUGJ9LVWjUEeF+lGBAaQCgv3mp o8smRz2A71DX1y0vvqnr2+M= =i3nw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

04:54

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On Monday 07 May 2007 22:18, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the right.

Hopocrisy is the hallmark of the far left and the far right, very much depending on the idiot(s) that tries to rationalise their/his/her ideology, but this is certainly not the place to discuss this. Rudolf (m harris, for Rudulf) -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

14:58

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On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 20:18 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday 07 May 2007 19:38, Pueblo Native wrote:

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This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the right.

And the left. IIRC this also happened under Clinton. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

20:41

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* Mike McMullin [05-08-07 11:01]:

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On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 20:18 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday 07 May 2007 19:38, Pueblo Native wrote:

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This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the right.

And the left. IIRC this also happened under Clinton.

Mostly, this all PROVES that this is the incorrect forum for this discussion, errrr debate, errrr complete loss of respect for anyone! -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

20:43

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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 16:41 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Mike McMullin [05-08-07 11:01]:

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On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 20:18 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday 07 May 2007 19:38, Pueblo Native wrote:

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This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the right.

And the left. IIRC this also happened under Clinton.

Mostly, this all PROVES that this is the incorrect forum for this discussion, errrr debate, errrr complete loss of respect for anyone!

Agreed, and I think someone even tried moving this to the proper venue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis

20:53

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Mike McMullin wrote:

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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 16:41 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Mike McMullin [05-08-07 11:01]:

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On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 20:18 -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday 07 May 2007 19:38, Pueblo Native wrote:

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This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer). Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Hypocrisy is the hallmark of the right. And the left. IIRC this also happened under Clinton.

Mostly, this all PROVES that this is the incorrect forum for this discussion, errrr debate, errrr complete loss of respect for anyone!

Agreed, and I think someone even tried moving this to the proper venue.

Which is why i invited the two people who started the political tangent to shut the fuck up.... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dave Cotton

9 May 9 May

07:04

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On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 00:53 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Which is why i invited the two people who started the political tangent to shut the fuck up....

Which is what I, and probably many others, would like you to do. Please take your foul language somewhere else. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis

12:14

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Dave Cotton wrote:

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On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 00:53 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Which is why i invited the two people who started the political tangent to shut the fuck up....

Which is what I, and probably many others, would like you to do.

Please take your foul language somewhere else.

So Dave, it would be alright with you if I started accusing you of tolerating war crimes??? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

George Osvald

23:07

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Dave Cotton wrote:

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On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 00:53 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Which is why i invited the two people who started the political tangent to shut the fuck up....

Which is what I, and probably many others, would like you to do.

Please take your foul language somewhere else.

So Dave, it would be alright with you if I started accusing you of tolerating war crimes???

I bought a new fridge yesterday. Anybody cares to dicuss? -- Regards, George Osvald OK Studio ® http://www.okstudio.com.au Email: mail@okstudio.com.au -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

George Osvald

23:08

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Dave Cotton wrote:

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On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 00:53 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Which is why i invited the two people who started the political tangent to shut the fuck up....

Which is what I, and probably many others, would like you to do.

Please take your foul language somewhere else.

So Dave, it would be alright with you if I started accusing you of tolerating war crimes???

I bought a new fridge yesterday. Anybody cares to discuss? -- Regards, George Osvald OK Studio ® http://www.okstudio.com.au Email: mail@okstudio.com.au -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

23:37

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007 18:08, George Osvald wrote:

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I bought a new fridge yesterday. Anybody cares to discuss? Is it one of those smart fridges with an embedded linux server?

-- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Damon Register

12 May 12 May

02:42

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M Harris wrote:

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007 18:08, George Osvald wrote:

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I bought a new fridge yesterday. Anybody cares to discuss? Is it one of those smart fridges with an embedded linux server?

Is that the one that makes ice cream? I remember reading about an ice cream vending machine that was linux based. Damon Register -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

03:59

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007 18:08, George Osvald wrote:

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I bought a new fridge yesterday. Anybody cares to discuss?

Is it one of those smart fridges with an embedded linux server?

Is that the one that makes ice cream? I remember reading about an ice cream vending machine that was linux based. I was thinking of the prototype that worked in conjunction with your smart card... it tells the card that you're low on milk... and then the card tells

On Friday 11 May 2007 21:42, Damon Register wrote: the system at the local grocery, and when you arrive at the checkout with your other stuff there is your milk--totalled and waiting in the bag... When you arrive home the smart card talks to the fridge and the fridge updates its inventory. (this is no joke) -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

22:02

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Damon Register wrote:

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M Harris wrote:

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On Wednesday 09 May 2007 18:08, George Osvald wrote:

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I bought a new fridge yesterday. Anybody cares to discuss? Is it one of those smart fridges with an embedded linux server?

Is that the one that makes ice cream? I remember reading about an ice cream vending machine that was linux based.

Penguin flavour ice cream? ;-) -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis

8 May 8 May

03:54

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Pueblo Native wrote:

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M Harris wrote:

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On Thursday 03 May 2007 03:58, G T Smith wrote:

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Please.., please... it may have escaped your notice that many of the list are (thankfully) not citizens of the USA, and are not (yet) subject to what passes for US law...

Well, GT...

... you might want to read this...

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html

This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Bullshit. The US military has tried DOZENS of U.S servicemen for war crimes, including officers (usually the last to be tried so as to use the testimonies of the enlisted men to build even stronger cases against the officers). The Milosovich witch-hunt demonstrates the danger of the international criminal court. Milosovich long RESISTED THE DEMANDS of the Serb populace to go to war, even as SERBS were being slaughtered in mass graves (which the press widely and repeatedly MIS-reported as evidence of Serbs committing atrocities, when in fact, the Serbs were the VICTIMS of the atrocities). The ICC is an unelected, unaccountable body, picked by people who themselves are not elected and therefore has ZERO accountability to the public, and therefore no legitimacy. Feel free to shut the fuck up until you know what the hell you're talking about. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Carlos E. R.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-05-08 at 07:54 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Bullshit. The US military has tried DOZENS of U.S servicemen

Just for the record, three US soldiers are in search and capture order by Spanish courts. US authorities refuse to cooperate. They killed a TV reporter. Now, can we go back to Linux, please? - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGQEQFtTMYHG2NR9URAlc3AKCYA1NL7XdVdTSKM4uj/24TwBvcxACeJSAw rSKCxTCIZ6o9kuMSwBi51xc= =HocI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

riccardo35＠gmail.com

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse? ....................... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis

14:02

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it. Do you have a problem with that? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Dave Cotton

14:36

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On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 18:02 +0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it.

Do you have a problem with that?

Well yes I do, and probably many others, it may be all that people as portrayed by Eddie Murphy can manage to utter, but then he's often portraying inept characters. -- Dave Cotton -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike

15:23

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On Tuesday 08 May 2007 16:02, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it.

Do you have a problem with that?

Yep, and until you can contribute something worthwhile to the discussion about SUSE linux, I'd suggest you do the same. Actually never mind. <plonk> Mike -- Powered by SuSE 10.0 Kernel 2.6.13 X86_64 KDE 3.4 Kmail 1.8 5:22pm up 16 days 7:55, 4 users, load average: 2.12, 2.27, 2.19 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

James Knott

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Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it.

Do you have a problem with that?

It also unmistakably communicates the fact that you're an intolerant idiot! -- Use OpenOffice.org http://www.openoffice.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Clayton

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Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it.

Do you have a problem with that?

It also unmistakably communicates the fact that you're an intolerant idiot!

Don't give this guy what he wants... just filter him out like pretty much everyone is doing now. He's a twit, and he keeps proving it... over and over. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

16:52

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Can we continue this over in off topic? I say we because I've posted on this as well. Mike On Tue, 2007-05-08 at 18:42 +0200, Clayton wrote:

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Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it.

Do you have a problem with that?

It also unmistakably communicates the fact that you're an intolerant idiot!

Don't give this guy what he wants... just filter him out like pretty much everyone is doing now. He's a twit, and he keeps proving it... over and over.

C.

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Aaron Kulkis

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Clayton wrote:

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Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it.

Do you have a problem with that?

It also unmistakably communicates the fact that you're an intolerant idiot!

Don't give this guy what he wants... just filter him out like pretty much everyone is doing now. He's a twit, and he keeps proving it... over and over.

Thank you for demonstrating to one and all that just like the original poster, you too have a big pile of hypocrisy and left-wing prejudice... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Peter Bradley

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Ysgrifennodd Aaron Kulkis:

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Clayton wrote:

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Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it.

Do you have a problem with that?

It also unmistakably communicates the fact that you're an intolerant idiot!

Don't give this guy what he wants... just filter him out like pretty much everyone is doing now. He's a twit, and he keeps proving it... over and over.

Thank you for demonstrating to one and all that just like the original poster, you too have a big pile of hypocrisy and left-wing prejudice...

Speaking as a communist (although not a Marxist - history isn't that simple), I'd like to see this discussion/slanging match taken to a more appropriate forum. This is addressed to the left-, right- and centre-wingers, BTW, intolerant ones or not. Did I cover everybody? Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis

18:29

New subject: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial

James Knott wrote:

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Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it.

Do you have a problem with that?

It also unmistakably communicates the fact that you're an intolerant idiot!

Ah, yes, the usual "everyone must be tolerant of us marxists, but we don't need to be tolerant of anyone else" hypocrisy. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Robert Smits

19:20

New subject: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial

On Tuesday 08 May 2007 07:02, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:

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On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:

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free to shut the f*** up

- Toujours la Politesse?

It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and utter contempt for the statement which I was responding to, and the person who made it.

Do you have a problem with that?

Yes. Such language is better reserved for other 10 year olds who may think it impresses someone. It does, but not in the way you intend. -- bob@rsmits.ca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Aaron Kulkis

20:02

New subject: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial

Robert Smits wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 May 2007 07:02, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> riccardo35@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tue 08 May 2007 03:54, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>>>> free to shut the f*** up
>>>  - Toujours la Politesse?
>> It's a way of communicating UNMISTAKABLY complete and
>> utter contempt for the statement which I was responding
>> to, and the person who made it.
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>> Do you have a problem with that?
> 
> Yes. Such language is better reserved for other 10 year olds who may think it 
> impresses someone. It does, but not in the way you intend. 
> 

And in response to completely ignorant assholes, on whom
milder language is ineffective.

Are you campaigning to join that list?


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14 May 14 May

08:19

New subject: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial - US penitentiary????????????? NO NO NO

This whole issue of an Australian, held without charge, on foreign soil (non AU and NON US), under US Law, to be heard before a Military Court. Also please consider Australian Armed forces joined with US forces in the Gulf war and Australia was billed for each bomb they dropped and every litre of fuel they used and the AU government paid the bill. You should also be aware of the ANZUS Treaty http://www.australianpolitics.com/foreign/anzus/anzus-treaty.shtml and when requested by US, AU has never not honoured request for military assistance - Totally at Australian Expense. Australian could rightfully request extradition years ago, but did not do so for political reasons. ALL it would have taken is 1 phone call by the AU PM to US President under this treaty, however the prisoner was not being held on US Soil. Gets very very messy and in end no one benefits. Many Nations, 1 World without beginning centre or end - its round. Scott - Australia and good evening to all at 18:18 GMT +10 Pueblo Native wrote:

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M Harris wrote:

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On Thursday 03 May 2007 03:58, G T Smith wrote:

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Please.., please... it may have escaped your notice that many of the list are (thankfully) not citizens of the USA, and are not (yet) subject to what passes for US law...

Well, GT...

... you might want to read this...

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html

This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

Yet somehow the American government will not let US soldiers be tried for international war crimes. Boggles the mind.

Patrick Shanahan

19:52

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* Registration Account [05-14-07 04:21]:

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This whole issue of an Australian, held without charge, on foreign soil (non AU and NON US), under US Law, to be heard before a Military Court.

You recognize that this post *is* OT, why not take it there, PLEASE? Mailing-List: contact opensuse-offtopic+help@opensuse.org; run by mlmmj X-Mailinglist: opensuse-offtopic List-Post: mailto:opensuse-offtopic@opensuse.org List-Help: mailto:opensuse-offtopic+help@opensuse.org List-Subscribe: mailto:opensuse-offtopic+subscribe@opensuse.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:opensuse-offtopic+unsubscribe@opensuse.org -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

20:51

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This whole issue of an Australian, held without charge, on foreign soil (non AU and NON US), under US Law, to be heard before a Military Court.

You recognize that this post *is* OT, why not take it there, PLEASE? I just realized what may be happening here... I have filters setup (hundreds of them) that do all "sorts" of magic... and one of them files [opensuse][OT] in my own off-topic list. So, when I personally respond to these I am responding to an off-topic entry and I am not really paying attention to the fact that the item is actually appearing on the main list... and of course

On Monday 14 May 2007 14:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote: those of us who monitor all lists dont really care whether the item shows up here of there cause we read them all anyway. I do read some groups before others obviously. Anyway, you could setup a filter for [opensuse][OT] and just send them to /dev/null and not worry about it. As long as the message is either directed to the off-topic list, or at least flagged [OT] then I dont see a problem... but thats just me. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

20:52

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* M Harris [05-14-07 16:47]: [...]

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Anyway, you could setup a filter for [opensuse][OT] and just send them to /dev/null and not worry about it. As long as the message is either directed to the off-topic list, or at least flagged [OT] then I dont see a problem... but thats just me.

So, if I don't see the guy raping the girl across the street, it's ok, but that's just you ?? -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

21:26

New subject: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial - US penitentiary????????????? NO NO NO

On Monday 14 May 2007 15:52, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Anyway, you could setup a filter for [opensuse][OT] and just send them to /dev/null and not worry about it. As long as the message is either directed to the off-topic list, or at least flagged [OT] then I dont see a problem... but thats just me.

So, if I don't see the guy raping the girl across the street, it's ok, but that's just you ?? huh? uh, raping who? ... never mind...

... come on, I'm just saying that there are two considerations here: 1) if you monitor both lists... opensuse, and opensuse-offtopic, then it really doesn't matter which list stuff goes to (personally) cause you monitor both of them anyway... (I use filters, myself) 2) if a message is flagged [opensuse][OT] there is no problem. The archive can handle this, and every person with a set of filters can handle it too... And there is another minor (maybe not) point that has to do with orders of magnitude (ie, I don't equate someone posting an occasional [opensuse][OT] entry with boundary rape... which I think you were alluding to) so, I am just recommending setting a filter and going with the flow... and in the mean time... I will commit to you that I will pay better attention to where stuff is really showing up. -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

15 May 15 May

00:07

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On Monday 14 May 2007 16:26, M Harris wrote:

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And there is another minor (maybe not) point that has to do with orders of magnitude (ie, I don't equate someone posting an occasional [opensuse][OT]

I can side with Patrick on off topic issue. The biggest threads here are off topic or those that became off topic. We should show a bit more consideration for the guys that are coming here for the first time and may have problems with navigation. And, yes I did all "don't do it" from: http://en.opensuse.org/Opensuse_mailing_list_netiquette but we really should try to move all stuff that is not a technical issue to off topic, project etc. lists. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

00:35

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On Monday 14 May 2007 19:07, Rajko M. wrote:

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We should show a bit more consideration for the guys that are coming here for the first time and may have problems with navigation. yeah... the newbies... ok, good point

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Patrick Shanahan

01:38

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* M Harris [05-14-07 20:31]:

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On Monday 14 May 2007 19:07, Rajko M. wrote:

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We should show a bit more consideration for the guys that are coming here for the first time and may have problems with navigation. yeah... the newbies... ok, good point

BUT, not *just* the nubies, anyone wanting/needing to search the archives which are approaching 50 percent trash. And the list archives *should* be one of our greatest assets. The condescending attitude toward legitiment list traffic is reprehensible. And, if the shoe fits..... -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

M Harris

01:53

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anyone wanting/needing to search the archives which are approaching 50 percent trash. And the list archives *should* be one of our greatest assets. I was wondering about this topic a couple of days ago... I too have been frustrated with the signal to noise ratio of the archive (and I am fully able to admit my share [or more] of the noise). I am wondering if a candidate system has been discussed for the archive? Its a little like reverse list moderation... items are flagged (later, either by the OP or the primary responder) for inclusion into the archive. A moderator reviews the flagged

On Monday 14 May 2007 20:38, Patrick Shanahan wrote: posts and then updates the archive appropriately with topics that actually provided resolution to a given problem. Even with correct use of the list, there is probably a 60-40 signal to noise ration of regular technical discussion and not all of it should merit the archive. Right? -- Kind regards, M Harris <>< -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

02:28

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On Monday 14 May 2007 20:53, M Harris wrote:

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On Monday 14 May 2007 20:38, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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anyone wanting/needing to search the archives which are approaching 50 percent trash. And the list archives *should* be one of our greatest assets.

I was wondering about this topic a couple of days ago... I too have been frustrated with the signal to noise ratio of the archive (and I am fully able to admit my share [or more] of the noise). I am wondering if a candidate system has been discussed for the archive? Its a little like reverse list moderation... items are flagged (later, either by the OP or the primary responder) for inclusion into the archive. A moderator reviews the flagged posts and then updates the archive appropriately with topics that actually provided resolution to a given problem. Even with correct use of the list, there is probably a 60-40 signal to noise ration of regular technical discussion and not all of it should merit the archive. Right?

Good thinking, but making one system that will flag messages and sort them out is way harder than to create mail list and ask users to post according to the advertised topic. Actually only this list has a problem with to much load. Networking has no single post since May 7th, and the similar is with most of specialized lists. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Pueblo Native

03:04

New subject: [opensuse] [OT] - Australian extradited to US to stand trial - US penitentiary????????????? NO NO NO

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* M Harris [05-14-07 16:47]: [...]

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Anyway, you could setup a filter for [opensuse][OT] and just send them to /dev/null and not worry about it. As long as the message is either directed to the off-topic list, or at least flagged [OT] then I dont see a problem... but thats just me.

So, if I don't see the guy raping the girl across the street, it's ok, but that's just you ??

Okay, would you like to take a moment to examine how retarded that statement is, or would you like us to do it for you? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

Mike McMullin

8 May 8 May

03:16

New subject: [opensuse] [OT] - Apple Computer new product announcement ("joke")

On Mon, 2007-05-07 at 21:28 -0500, M Harris wrote:

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On Thursday 03 May 2007 03:58, G T Smith wrote:

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Please.., please... it may have escaped your notice that many of the list are (thankfully) not citizens of the USA, and are not (yet) subject to what passes for US law...

Well, GT...

... you might want to read this...

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html

This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

It's bad enough bounty hunters have no respect for borders and the laws of other countries, now they can export their jurisdiction with the blessings of the Ozzie g'ment? It's time for a general strike to remind Howard, or whomever is the P.M. these days that He's elected to be the Rule, not Washington. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

G T Smith

12:10

New subject: Aussie rules...was Re: [opensuse] [OT] - Apple etc etc

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On Thursday 03 May 2007 03:58, G T Smith wrote:

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Please.., please... it may have escaped your notice that many of the list are (thankfully) not citizens of the USA, and are not (yet) subject to what passes for US law...

Well, GT...

... you might want to read this...

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2007/05/06/1178390140855.html

This um, Ausie, is probably going to reevaluate whether he is bound by US law or not while he contemplates in a US penitentiary... room and board at um, my expense... (US tax payer).

...this is the (yet) part... the U.S. has for some time trying to extend its jurisdiction both morally and legally to other states.. In this particularly case the UK defendants were tried in the UK under a rather interesting bit of english law (conspiracy [to defraud], Often used to try and get someone on a more major sentence either when the original activity would have only minor penalties and the CPS thinks it may have a problem proving its case on the original charges, to get a result one has merely to prove intent to perform a criminal act ), also cost the UK tax payer somewhat. Oz has in recent years been much more compliant to the US, (e.g. the Aussies sent troops to Vietnam, Harold Wilson when asked to join the party politely declined ). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGQGi+asN0sSnLmgIRAllEAKDV+1fypZWobrxF+pKIiYVwy0Ct3wCgvRJ8 hMZiWMdlAkODHBYAywVl5Og= =M0pw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse+help@opensuse.org

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