I haven't had reason to do much with sound so far this year, but yesterday someone sent me a reference to a BBC News article... This was a flash video embedded in a web page. The sound was 'choppy'. I checked out some other sites, Ted, Wired, Brightalk, and the results were the same. I googled and found some Mozilla pages that mentioned this and recommended regressing to Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202. Well that what I was/am running. More googling, looked at re-starting pulseaudio, looked at changing the phonon back-end. All I've succeeded in doing is loosing sound altogether! I can't play recorded music (CDs or MP3s), make recording from my microphone, use Skype, listen to Ted or podcasts. Not that I could when the sound was choppy, but at least I had sound. I looked at how sound was supposed to start under systemd and that just got me more confused. Now I'm hopelessly lost and don't know what to try next. -- The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility. And vice versa. Excerpt from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, from Robert Heinlein's "Time Enough for Love" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-01-12 11:09 (GMT-0500) Anton Aylward composed:
don't know what to try next.
Exhausted all of http://en.opensuse.org/Category:SDB:Sound already? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Felix Miata said the following on 01/12/2013 04:59 PM:
On 2013-01-12 11:09 (GMT-0500) Anton Aylward composed:
don't know what to try next.
Exhausted all of http://en.opensuse.org/Category:SDB:Sound already?
I follow links for phonon under KDE http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Audio_troubleshooting#STEP-8:_KDE4_Phonon_audio_p... and get to http://phonon.kde.org/cms/1032 which 404's Which back end do you advise, then? Presumably you intended .. http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Audio_troubleshooting#A_possible_fix_to_choppy_.2... I'll report on that shortly. -- "It's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness." - Eleanor Roosevelt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I'll report on that shortly.
I can't tell if that change in rate did any good since I still have no sound. -- "It's not true unless it makes you laugh, but you don't understand until it makes you weep." -- Shea and Wilson, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
I haven't had reason to do much with sound so far this year, but yesterday someone sent me a reference to a BBC News article... This was a flash video embedded in a web page.
The sound was 'choppy'. I checked out some other sites, Ted, Wired, Brightalk, and the results were the same.
I googled and found some Mozilla pages that mentioned this and recommended regressing to Shockwave Flash 11.2 r202. Well that what I was/am running.
More googling, looked at re-starting pulseaudio, looked at changing the phonon back-end.
All I've succeeded in doing is loosing sound altogether! I can't play recorded music (CDs or MP3s), make recording from my microphone, use Skype, listen to Ted or podcasts. Not that I could when the sound was choppy, but at least I had sound.
I looked at how sound was supposed to start under systemd and that just got me more confused.
Now I'm hopelessly lost and don't know what to try next. You don't mention which version of oS you are using nor which audio
On 13/01/13 03:09, Anton Aylward wrote: source (onboard audio chip or a PCI/E audio card -- and which one did you make active in your BIOS?). Nevertheless, bear in mind that - seeing as you mentioned pulseaudio above - pulseaudio sits on top of alsa which means that you need to get your sound card first configured using alsamixer before pulseaudio will behave. Also note that pulseaudio, at least in the past, did not allow alsamixer to display all the available channels of your card and I used to either uninstall pulseaudio or disable it (and I still do this - I have no need for pulseaudio) to be able to configure the channels. (Make sure you select the correct sound source in alsamixer - F6 I think is the key.) And if you decide to stay with pulseaudio then install pavucontrol to be able to configure pulseaudio. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.10.0 & kernel 3.7.1-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Basil Chupin said the following on 01/13/2013 12:04 AM:
Now I'm hopelessly lost and don't know what to try next.
You don't mention which version of oS you are using nor which audio source (onboard audio chip or a PCI/E audio card -- and which one did you make active in your BIOS?).
12.2 I ended up following links from the SDB recommendation and ended up at http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Intel-HDA_sound_problems I ran $ head -n 1 /proc/asound/card0/codec* Codec: Realtek ALC888 HEY! That's just like on that page. In case you're concerned $ lspci -k reported 00:05.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel I've tried, as I said, http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Audio_troubleshooting#A_possible_fix_to_choppy_.2... and http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Audio_troubleshooting#STEP-1:_How_to_test_your_so... so i know the card works. As I said, I worked though the rest and got to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Audio_troubleshooting#STEP-5:_Add_.E2.80.9Cmodel.... and found that was my codex, so I did that change to modprobe.d as well. I passed over step6. The alsa docs explain how to determine of you should have users in the audio group or not. I call into the 'not' category. Which leads to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Pulseaudio OH WOW! Not even 11.4 tested! I get to step 8. As I said, http://phonon.kde.org/cms/1032 404s Step 9 is lacking. I only have the one card, but the KDE phonon back end has a different set of entries whenever I boot as I said above. The hardware level and surround-sound ones that appeared this after this AM' boot produce a sound when 'test'-ed but none of the also or pulse ones do. That's it for that SDB page except for $ aplay -vv /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused aplay: main:696: audio open error: Connection refused Yes, I'm repeating myself. Some of that's because I don't know what to do next.
Nevertheless, bear in mind that - seeing as you mentioned pulseaudio above - pulseaudio sits on top of alsa which means that you need to get your sound card first configured using alsamixer before pulseaudio will behave.
Every time I boot I see a different selection of devices available in the phonon "Device Preference". This morning, I see the surround-sound options that haven't been there before, and when I press 'test' they give sounds whereas none of the alsa or pulse items in the list do. However increasing their 'preference' doesn't help as the sound applications try connecting to pulse audio. As I say, I'm getting different vies of things every time I boot. Perhaps, as I alter settings, that's to be expected :-) But its confusing and doesn't help.
Also note that pulseaudio, at least in the past, did not allow alsamixer to display all the available channels of your card and I used to either uninstall pulseaudio or disable it (and I still do this - I have no need for pulseaudio) to be able to configure the channels. (Make sure you select the correct sound source in alsamixer - F6 I think is the key.) And if you decide to stay with pulseaudio then install pavucontrol to be able to configure pulseaudio.
$ alsamixer ALSA lib pulse.c:243:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused cannot open mixer: Connection refused Through most of last year I had no problems with sound using pulseaudio. (Please don't tell me to stop using pulseaudio. That's just regressive and unhlpful.) Well OK, that was mostly with 11.4, but after and upgrade just before the new year it was still working. I'm wondering ... didn't we have a glibc upgrade ... ? I've also just tried setting up 12.2 on a scratch machine. There I have 00:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) Kernel driver in use: snd_cmipci and that's just as lame. So I'm doing something wrong with both machines 'cos there's something I'm not groking. Yes, I'm using the output of CLI tools to report, but I'm also trying the various GUI tools, which are a little harder to report s text :-) I suppose I could upload snapshots but the usual result is, as I say, they can't connect, and when I run a 'ps' there's no pulse server listed. Yes I know. /lib/systemd/system/sound.target says StopWhenUnneeded=yes but I thought that pulse started when i logged in with KDE. (Please don't tell me to stop using KDE4. That's just regressive and unhlpful. And anyway, on the scratch machine I'm trying xfce4 and lxde and I get no sound there either.) Some of http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Audio_troubleshooting is out of date for 12.x. Perhaps a clearer division between what applies to each revision is needed. -- "Realizing the importance of the case, my men are rounding up twice the number of usual suspects" - Cpt Renault to Major Strasser, Cassablanaca -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On 14/01/13 01:54, Anton Aylward wrote: [pruned]
Through most of last year I had no problems with sound using pulseaudio. (Please don't tell me to stop using pulseaudio. That's just regressive and unhlpful.)
You are not reading what I wrote. I didn't tell you to stop using pulseaudio. Read what I wrote again. [pruned] BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.10.0 & kernel 3.7.1-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
[12.01.2013 17:09] [Anton Aylward]: [...]
All I've succeeded in doing is loosing sound altogether! I can't play recorded music (CDs or MP3s), make recording from my microphone, use Skype, listen to Ted or podcasts. Not that I could when the sound was choppy, but at least I had sound.
That reminds me... are you member of the "pulse", "pulse-access" and "audio" groups on your box?
I looked at how sound was supposed to start under systemd and that just got me more confused.
That is what systemd is designed for :->
Now I'm hopelessly lost and don't know what to try next.
If you are not too concerned about security questions, try to add your account to the groups I mentioned. I just added my account in /etc/group in any line I thought would be useful (also disk, video, ...), and my sound is back... You need to re-login to activate those group memberships, though "id" will show them immediately. HTH Werner -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:53:36 +0100
Werner Flamme
That reminds me... are you member of the "pulse", "pulse-access" and "audio" groups on your box?
Which can mean that problem is in PAM, ConsoleKit or whatever else is used to handle access permissions. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Rajko said the following on 01/13/2013 01:38 PM:
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 18:53:36 +0100 Werner Flamme
wrote: That reminds me... are you member of the "pulse", "pulse-access" and "audio" groups on your box?
Which can mean that problem is in PAM, ConsoleKit or whatever else is used to handle access permissions.
Hell of a thing if you're on a system with hundreds of users! Its one thing to delegate, for example, lp administration, to a small group of alternate "lp administrators" who don't need absolute root permission. It's things like this that make life hell when you get audited for SOX or PCI:DSS or something like that. -- Me...a skeptic? I trust you can prove that. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Werner Flamme said the following on 01/13/2013 12:53 PM:
That reminds me... are you member of the "pulse", "pulse-access" and "audio" groups on your box?
One of the pulaseaudio pages I visited http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Perfe... had a procedure for determining whether you should or not. It had three categories. Only if you were in category 1 should you do that. I'm not running HAL and *IS* a plus at the end of the permissions field in the listings when I run ls -l /dev/snd for example crw-rw----+ 1 root audio 116, 4 Jan 13 13:52 pcmC0D0c The group in the hat is "audio" so it means I'm in category 2. It then says <quote> If your distribution belongs to group 2 or 3, you should make sure that no one is in the "audio" group. </quote> Now if you have something Suse-specific that contradicts that I'll be glad to read it.
If you are not too concerned about security questions, try to add your account to the groups I mentioned. I just added my account in /etc/group in any line I thought would be useful (also disk, video, ...), and my sound is back... You need to re-login to activate those group memberships, though "id" will show them immediately.
Which release are you using? -- If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
[13.01.2013 20:01] [Anton Aylward]:
Which release are you using?
It's a 12.2, but I added my account to the groups with 11.4 or 12.1 - the system has been upgraded for a long time. Regards, Werner -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
Werner Flamme said the following on 01/13/2013 12:53 PM:
If you are not too concerned about security questions, try to add your account to the groups I mentioned. I just added my account in /etc/group in any line I thought would be useful (also disk, video, ...), and my sound is back... You need to re-login to activate those group memberships, though "id" will show them immediately.
I did that, just to see, just in case, and it made no difference. -- Psst! Viral marketing works! Tell everyone you know! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org
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Anton Aylward
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Basil Chupin
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Felix Miata
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Rajko
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Werner Flamme