On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 10:04, Anders Johansson wrote:

Jacob Saaby Nielsen said:

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Hey all,

do any of you guys know of an editor that resembles the old edit.exe from the DOS days ?

I frequently need to edit some form of text-file, and always end up doing it with a GUI editor.

Don't suggest editors where everything is controlled using keyboard-shortcuts. Just a basic editor that has some form of menu where you can choose the functionality you want.

pico perhaps. The menu items are selected with keyboard commands, but they are clearly labelled.

I often use the open source version of pico called nano: http://www.nano-editor.org It looks and smells like pico, but has better search functions. If you want a SuSE 8.0 rpm of it that I compiled, contact me off list. Best Regards, Keith -- LPIC-2, MCSE, N+ Sing blue silver Got spam? Get spastic http://spastic.sourceforge.net

Just a couple of additional points. Everyone has their favorite editors, and the discussion can get religious. (I'm an EMACS person eventhough I recommended vi). You should be able to run DOS programs under DOSEMU, so you could actually take the DOS editor and run it if you really are inclined to do so. -- Jerry Feldman Enterprise Systems Group Hewlett-Packard Company 200 Forest Street MRO1-3/F1 Marlboro, Ma. 01752 508-467-4315 http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/linux/

I would recommend another excellent book as a valuable supplement to the first one mentioned below: Vi IMproved - Vim by Steve Oualline Publisher: New Riders First Edition 2001 ISBN: 0-7357-1001-5 572 pages When our eng.dept. switched to Linux, everybody learned vi using these two great books. Alex -------------------

Start trying to learn to love vi and then read this excellent book:

Learning the vi Editor, Sixth Edition

Linda Lamb Arnold Robbins Publisher: O'Reilly Sixth Edition November 1998 ISBN: 1-56592-426-6, 348 pages

You really only need to read the first couple of chapters to get

going. Vi is

hard at first but cool afterwards. Best Fergus

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On Wednesday 25 September 2002 06:58 pm, Patrick wrote:

Don't forget also that you can invoke the "vim tutorial"

~ command seems to be " vimtutor " :o) best wishes ____________ sent on Linux ____________

On Wednesday 25 September 2002 19:54, Jacob Saaby Nielsen wrote:

Thanks for the answers guys :o)

However, I have to ask... Am I the only one to find it problematic, that a simple text-editor spawns 300-600 page books ?

I mean, for simple text-editing purposes, in my opinion the editor needs to be self-explaining and extremely easy to use.

I know I might get flamed for this... but for simple text-editing purposes, VI (possibly VIM ?) sounds pretty MS. Way too bloated.

Think I'll stick with pico. It looks familiar in its UI, and as far as I can see, it does its job of editing text-files just fine. I can live with it not always being available, I have only my own box to admin anyway ;o)))

Jacob

Not really problematic, the right person behidn the wheel of Vi or Emacs can text edit his way to total glory. lol Here's my take on why the big editors are so bloated: Think back for a while to a time when there were no mice and all you had was a small serial terminal. No GUI, no scrolling through text, and on even older systems, not even such a thing as control keys (vt100 terminals). So, you had to cram as much funtcionality into simple keyboard strokes as possible. Thus, bloatware, espically as terminals evolved and people wanted the same editor but with added functionality, such as arrow keys. :) Of course, new editors like pico came about with a fresh start on life using current technology available. However, I still use Vi primarily because the old Vi works the same way across any UNIX that I've ever run across. Using it where I could use pico keeps my Vi skills from disappearing so that when I'm on a rescue system or a wierd UNIX, I can still get around and break it. :) Donavan Pantke

On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Jacob Saaby Nielsen wrote:

Thanks for the answers guys :o)

However, I have to ask... Am I the only one to find it problematic, that a simple text-editor spawns 300-600 page books ?

I mean, for simple text-editing purposes, in my opinion the editor needs to be self-explaining and extremely easy to use.

I know I might get flamed for this... but for simple text-editing purposes, VI (possibly VIM ?) sounds pretty MS. Way too bloated.

Think I'll stick with pico. It looks familiar in its UI, and as far as I can see, it does its job of editing text-files just fine. I can live with it not always being available, I have only my own box to admin anyway ;o)))

In the good old days of CP/M ruling the world, there was a marvellous word processor and editor called WordStar... :-) You might want give a try to jstar, which really is joe, but uses more WS compatible keyboard shortcuts. Joe/jstar is not bloated (less than 200kb in size) and you may also move around using arrow keys, naturally. Pressing [Ctrl-J] toggles the menu/help screen on and off. Cheers, --Jyry C:-( C:-/ C========8-O C8-/ C:-(

Oh...never mind....thought u were talking about usign a GUI editor. but that is exactly what you don't want to do. I use XEmacs. works both in text and GUI. Its a keyboard driven program but once you learn it, you can use it in either GUI or text mode. Salman On Wednesday 25 September 2002 18:46, Salman Khilji wrote:

use kate.