I recently did an ftp install of SuSE8.0 to make it faster I had previously downloaded the entire distru on a windows machine shared it then mounted the share n my ftp/pub folder. Install worked no prob. However now I wish to add a few aditional packages. However when I set up the source I get unable to mount source or if could not find file. I then used ftp.suse.com and a few other mirrors same prblem. Then I mounted the smb share localy on my drive /mnt/suse/ and I keep getting unable to mount source - this is with a harddrive install. I'm about to pull my hair out.

Wasn't this settled years ago with other claims against Linux and/or BSD? -----Original Message----- From: Matt [mailto:matthew@psychohorse.com] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 5:16 PM To: suse-linux-e@suse.com Subject: Re: [SLE] The Linux Uprising(OT) Depends which patents they are going after and who and how it is implemented. MSFT is known to have used things from 'nix before. Matt On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 15:42, Curtis Rey wrote:

Interesting! The Claim of SCO regarding 'Nix patents is questionable. I don't see the end-game here. It may mean nothing or splinter Linux. I hope they don't try a power move that backfires and gives OSS a hit as well.

Cheers, Curtis.

On Friday 21 February 2003 3:58 pm, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_09/b3822601_tc102.htm

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James, I agree, if Caldera had gone after these 'issues' from the start they might have a case. If I am not mistaken, for a patent one must challenge any and all infringements or your rights are pretty much not existent. With all the $$$ that companies like IBM have in LINUX, it would not surprise me if the figure it is cheaper to buy Caldera outright, rather than litigate , and turn around and close the doors after the make ALL THE CODE available for GUN public lisc. I mean the good will alone and savings of 'fear of extra charges' to their customers would be worth millions. Abraham James Mohr wrote:

On Friday 21 February 2003 22:58, Fred A. Miller wrote:

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http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_09/b3822601_tc102.htm

Now that was definately a fun read. What I hit on was this:

Frustrations, though, run high. One Microsoft executive, chief strategist Craig Mundie, even calls Linux unhealthy for the technology industry. "It ultimately is a question about whether societies are going to value intellectual property or not," he says.

It's like saying that taxi drivers are economically unhealthy because the are using the "intellectual property" of those who developed the internal combustion engine. All Linux means is a shift in "the technology industry". Instead of making money through executable programs or lawyers, companies will make the money through competence is other areas, such as implementation and administration.

As for the SCO Group (was Caldera) tying to bully other Linux companies, I am not surprised at all. They are obviously not in it for the love of Linux, but solely as a quick way of making money. I have seen some very unpeleasant changes in them over the years. Rather than investing money to improve their version of Linux to give it a better edge, they invest money in places where they can use litigation to force money out of people (directly or indirectly). Sounds kinda like Microsoft doesn't it?

I am also curious if Caldera (it's too painful for me to call them SCO), has patent rights and not just copyright. There is a huge difference there. With a patent, your "idea" is protected, but a copyright protects the actual contents. If Linux code implements the same ideas/concepts as the copyrighted UNIX source code, then I doubt Caldera has a leg to stand on. My opinion is that they are cutting their own throats with this.

Regards,

jimmo

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On Sunday 23 February 2003 06:28, James Mohr wrote: I'm new enough to Linux that I don't know if I'm really allowed an opinion, but...

It's like saying that taxi drivers are economically unhealthy because the are using the "intellectual property" of those who developed the internal combustion engine. All Linux means is a shift in "the technology industry". Instead of making money through executable programs or lawyers, companies will make the money through competence is other areas, such as implementation and administration.

Although a valid analogy, it's begging a point that was invalid on the surface. Where are Linux users failing to value intellectual property? The fact that creators choose to give it away, is academic. In choosing to use it LEGALLY - over other software (that we probably already own) indicates that we put a great deal of value on it.

I am also curious if Caldera (it's too painful for me to call them SCO), has patent rights and not just copyright. There is a huge difference there. With a patent, your "idea" is protected, but a copyright protects the actual contents. If Linux code implements the same ideas/concepts as the copyrighted UNIX source code, then I doubt Caldera has a leg to stand on. My opinion is that they are cutting their own throats with this.

May not be of any use. How many here remember the Borland / Microsoft lawsuit over Quattro Pro (var better than Excel, BTW) look and feel. Borland lost that suit because Quattro could process Excel macros out of the box. -- Satterwhite's Observation #2: In any situation in which theory conflicts with reality, reality wins every time.

** Reply to message from Mark Stahlke on Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:23:46 -0700

"Before using open-source software, tech companies must sign a license in which they promise to give away innovations they build on top of it."

Not even close. I can't image where the author got this idea.

hahahaha It is some of the earlier MS fud. came out about the same time as the "question/remark" Why would anyone want to use Linux, it's based on a 25 year old OS, whereas MS is based on newer better technology" . Or words to that effect. When various towns and small businesses began announcing they were moving to linux because the price was right , MS's sales dept was creating "hitmen/women" the top of the sales force who would go to the places any MS "normal" sales person identified as attempting to switch. ( Where the "hitmen" would no doubt swarm the offending purchaser and smother them w/ the dangers of switching i.e. "you wont be able to read you email any more; you wont be able to exchange documents w/ your former accounts; and Office wont run on Linux . : ) IT was silly but they did it. Along w/ threats to anyone who lost a major account especially to Linux of the type "your job will be in danger if you lose client X" Isn't it a "fun" place to work <evil grin> -- j afterthought: Women who seek to be equal to men lack ambition.